I wasn't aware that damage is hitting for half the damage on PTS almost on every class!

Dagoth_Rac · October 2015

LOL. I went to Imperial City earlier today because the mobs give good XP. I wanted to test some of the Champion Point changes. And I was struggling mightily. I figured maybe I just did not have my A game. But this makes sense. It actually felt like battle spirit applied to NPCs, which it normally does not. In Cyrodiil and IC, on live, I seem to hit and be hit normally by NPC mobs. It is only when attacking or being attacked by other players that the 50% damage nerf is applied.

In retrospect, I think NPCs on PTS are being affected by battle spirit in ways they were not before.

ADarklore · October 2015

NovaShadow wrote: »

My pts is almost done, but a quick question. Before you go into Cyro you can turn one of these battle lvl things off. Is that still an option and has anyone tried it? Does it make any difference?

If not, this is utterly stupid. Leave battle lvling in PVP.

So far no one has responded to this... whether deselecting the 'battle level' option resolves this problem or not... which I am curious about too. Clearly something is not working correctly and ZOS has yet to pop in and state whether this was intended or at least that they are looking into it if it is not.

NovaShadow · October 2015

After some testing best I can get my ambush to crit for is 13k (22k on live) and surprise attack crit for 4.7k (7-8k on live).

Plus my stam is sucked up real fast because I'm hitting for half it takes twice the amount of stam to kill things. Something is definately wonky and I hope it doesn't stay this way.

Alendrin · October 2015

Something very strange is going on, here is some test data

VR16 nightblade and VR15 templar, both with battle leveling turned off (although I don't think that should matter)

Testing was done in Craglorn on the PTS and on Live

Oddly, tool tip damage for shallow soul, concealed weapon, puncturing sweep, burning light, and toppling charge was ~10% HIGHER on the PTS (again, in Craglorn)

Damage for these same abilities is around 40% lower on the PTS than on live, against wasps outside of craglorn. Same for heavy restoration staff channel ticks. It appears to be exactly 1/2 of the PTS tooltip damage.

Example: Burning Light tooltip (again, PTS in Craglorn) 3482, burning light damage tick to wasp 1741

I have lots more written down if there is an interest

Alphashado · October 2015

I've tried DK, NB, and Templar. All V16. Damage output seems to be cut roughly in half. Either that, or mitigation on all the mobs was jacked sky high. There are certain mobs (like Sprigians) that melt almost instantly. But just about everything else is taking much longer to kill, and FTC is literally showing 1/2 the DPS I get on live.

Ysne58 · October 2015

I did notice I was having to hit a lot more often with funnel health in the wailing prison. I was too focused on the other issues to bother mentioning that in my thread on the wailing prison.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

Watching Fangursh stream right now, his WB is criting for 11k-14k his tooltip says 12k. This is in areana. 6k regulear hits... is this intended?

Vyle_Byte · October 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno Please investigate this matter. It is not a UI error, all damage has taken a severe hit no matter where we are. Took my hubby ( v16 ) 1.5 min to kill 3 skeevers in IC. It is NOT working as intended!!

timidobserver · October 2015

IMB4 Oh... we forgot that mention that we nerfed damage across the board. Sorry.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

IMB4 Oh... we forgot that mention that we nerfed damage across the board. Sorry.

If this were true. This would be every update since 1.6 that they have rorily *** up lol I really thought they were going to start heading in the right direction. Let's hope it's a bug!

cschwingeb14_ESO · October 2015

I can confirm that with a ~12k crystal frag tooltip, I hit mudcrabs outside Rawl for ~6k, and crit them with insta-proc for ~12k. Heals are unaffected.

Seems likely that the PvP damage nerf got out of hand?

Really hard to test things for balance when you're hitting for 1/2 of what you should

Alphashado · October 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

IMB4 Oh... we forgot that mention that we nerfed damage across the board. Sorry.

Grab your popcorn if that's the case

Gilliamtherogue · October 2015

I've started to see people talk about resources being a really big issue out of no where in PvE now too, like yeah we had a big change when 1.7 hit, but people are used to it now; yet it feels like I'm in Cyrodiil now. Sure enough I went back on PTS and I noticed each cast was costing more than my tooltip casts, the same thing that happens to me in Cyrodiil/IC. I'd say at this point this paired with the fact people are reporting a ~50% damage loss, that the entire game someone has become battle leveled/introduced to Battle Spirit mechanics. Hopefully this gets fixed right away, because it's nearly impossible to do anything to the level we do on live. Going from 19k self buffed surprise attacks in PvE to 9k is totally not cool. Please devs, save us from this travesty!

Stalwart385 · October 2015

Same as others, doing around half damage and always out of mana. My time to kill on mobs is on the low to normal side also. Quite a weird issue, seems like three different problems. Skills cost more than they should, damage is lower than it should and mobs are way too weak.

tinythinker · October 2015

Well, good job fellow testers. Issues with damage levels seem confirmed, ability cost issues suspected. I am soooo glad it wasn't just me, or I would have been tempted to think that I started to suck extra hard at the game after a month off. Now we just need to get an acknowledgment of the concerns/observations from ZOS. I am guessing any other testing, video, screenshots, etc would be appreciated for those who are in a position to provide them.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

Does ZOS even have a Q&A?

tinythinker · October 2015

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Does ZOS even have a Q&A?

The lead tester was on a month or so ago on ESO Live. So yes. But there may have been recent changes right before the upload to the PTS.

The main thing is that the ability cost/damage issues get fixed along with some broken/incomplete dialogue for a couple of quests. Would also be good to know if the cost/damage issues are related to why some people claim to be breezing through overland bosses and why others need a small team to take the bosses down (doesn't sound like it's all reducible to gear/skill though such things certainly would be a big factor). Those are the main things I encountered today. Pretty much everything else (except for the Stibbons quest) seemed to work really well and was beautifully done/well-written.

NovaShadow · October 2015

After doing half of the arena on normal. All my skills are hitting half what they do on live, vigor seems unaffected but my stam (stam build) gets zapped pretty much instantly. It's like they want us to use heavy attacks after every 2nd or 3rd skill. It's beyond annoying. My res management on live I've got down pact but on pts its all off.

Something fishy is definitely up.

SleepyTroll · October 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

SleepyTroll wrote: »

Does ZOS even have a Q&A?

The lead tester was on a month or so ago on ESO Live. So yes. But there may have been recent changes right before the upload to the PTS.

The main thing is that the ability cost/damage issues get fixed along with some broken/incomplete dialogue for a couple of quests. Would also be good to know if the cost/damage issues are related to why some people claim to be breezing through overland bosses and why others need a small team to take the bosses down (doesn't sound like it's all reducible to gear/skill though such things certainly would be a big factor). Those are the main things I encountered today. Pretty much everything else (except for the Stibbons quest) seemed to work really well and was beautifully done/well-written.

Humm... I wonder if this is only effecting v16 players or the lower lvls as well

Dymence · October 2015

Oh ZOS.....

I will test this myself with a sorc template later today if I have time to get a shot at the new vet arena.

DisgracefulMind · October 2015

ZoS has yet to comment on this and it's infuriating.

The OP and I tested his biting jab damage in both PvE (non-Wrothgar) and PvP, he was hitting almost the same damage on a mob that he was hitting on me as an enemy player.

I really, really hope this isn't an intended change. If it is, I think this might be where I call it for ESO.

Nifty2g · October 2015

We must tag a developer or 2
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

There you go, is this damage nerf intended or some how a weird bug placing battle spirit onto us

Derra · October 2015

Is this only affecting PVE or is PVP dmg also halved again?

I can´t test yet. Pts download corrupted - won´t work.

Darlon · October 2015

Damage is ridiculously low right now... Initially I thought the templates must be crap, but then again, even though they're not great (crappy food etc) damage is still ridiculously low...

Please look at this...
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

NovaShadow · October 2015

Derra wrote: »

Is this only affecting PVE or is PVP dmg also halved again?

I can´t test yet. Pts download corrupted - won´t work.

From what I can tell the dmg is the same for pve and pvp now. Where you hit harder in pve than pvp, its now matched, no difference it seems.

VoiDGhOs7 · October 2015

Dymence wrote: »

Oh ZOS.....

I will test this myself with a sorc template later today if I have time to get a shot at the new vet arena.

Ive completed almost 6 stages in arena yesterday and frags hit fot 5.5/6k and about 8k crits with v14 template,the dmg output is very low otherwise ill be able to complete the normal arena in less than 30 min if my frags hit 19k as on live.

Also ping doesnt help since is always 300+ for EU and animation cancelling becomes tricky to perform because server has to catch up.
Couldnt fin the spell dmg glyphs tho and im sitting at 2.2k spell dmg buffed maybe with some more spell enchants ill get more dps but cant tell.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I'm thinking that the scaling is happening regardless of who you are and where you are which is fine but OUCH!!!

Need moar dots!!

What are you talking about? This is NOT fine, AT ALL.

If this is how they've decided to change their game for us to play.....it's fine because when I first began playing in closed beta in 2013 it was a lot harder for everything so this is what it felt like.

While it may be drastic and changed at an awkward time if this is for everyone...then it is what it is

This doesn't bother me personally as long as it's written more clearly in the update notes

Cillion3117 · October 2015

It's PTS. They are trying to find a balance for difficulty. I'm sure they'll move it around a few times over the next week or so.

ADarklore · October 2015

As others have stated this HAS TO BE FIXED before it goes Live!! There is absolutely NO REASON why PvE should have the damage reduced! I'm getting extremely tired of their, "here is your new content, but at the same time we're TAKING things away from you... enjoy." And on top of that, we're paying them for this... either via subscription or DLC purchase. This kind of treatment of players HAS TO STOP!

It almost makes me wonder if they're somehow planning to introduce PvP in PvE areas and are now working towards 'battle leveling' everyone in order to do so. Otherwise, this is either just a major bug or a very, very bad joke.

tinythinker · October 2015

Well, if it was intentional it would mean it wasn't battle leveling gone wrong to blame and that they just forgot to adjust all of the tooltips for every ability, not to mention also forgetting to adjust ability costs on those tooltips. I'm betting error/bug.