I agree with the above - account high passive would solve all the problems while still keeping to the spirit of the change. My question would be why limit it to the new zone. If we are going to to this then shouldn't ALL zones then scale in the same way?

My only VR16 is also fully leveled in all crafts. I haven't learned all weapons and skill lines, but since I can only use 10/2 at one time, I have more than enough skill points to do crafting, have a large number of skills and passives, and still have skill points left over. Any reason your crafters can't do quests? And if you don't want to, I would guess they can still harvest in Orsinium, though that is not ideal or time-efficient.

@Ourorboros My crafter is only vr1. Its convenient to get to craglorn.

I do plan on leveling my main, but wasnt going to max out the skill lines. But like you said, at max level the skill points are there to do it.

Ourorboros wrote: »

My only VR16 is also fully leveled in all crafts. I haven't learned all weapons and skill lines, but since I can only use 10/2 at one time, I have more than enough skill points to do crafting, have a large number of skills and passives, and still have skill points left over. Any reason your crafters can't do quests? And if you don't want to, I would guess they can still harvest in Orsinium, though that is not ideal or time-efficient.

I have to admit I'm in the same situation - my only VR16 is a fully maxed crafter. And having declared my bias, I'm all for the way Orsinium is designed

Having said that, I'm not too sure that this is the best way forward for crafting (and the majority of crafters), but then again it's an improvement on IC.

Now, if only they'd do something about upping the writ requirements... and rewards.

Rosveen wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Crafting Node Scaling

• Raw materials in Wrothgar will look like (and drop) materials based on the peak of your aptitude in the craft they are associated with. This applies to Blacksmithing, Woodworking, Clothing, Enchanting, and Alchemy Water in Wrothgar.
  • For example, if you have Metalworking 9 and Woodworking 1, you will encounter Voidstone Ore and Maple Wood in the wild since your Metalworking level is high, but Woodworking is of a lower level.
  • If your tradeskill mastery is sufficient to work in Rubedite, Ruby Ash Wood, or Ancestor Silk, you will have a chance at encountering them in the world.
• Hide that is normally provided by an animal will scale to the Tailoring rank of the player character looting the animal. This is to ensure everyone gets materials they can use, at any level.
• Player characters in a group with differing ranks in Tailoring will all get different levels of hide.

Now here's my situation: I have three dedicated crafters. One for equipment crafts, one for alchemy and enchanting, one for provisioning (used to also do blacksmithing before I realized I'd have to learn all motifs twice and moved the craft to the first char). Let's ignore provisioning because ingredients aren't level-scaled. This leaves me with two chars. None of my other characters put any points into the main crafting passives covered by my crafters. And why would they? It would defeat the purpose of having dedicated crafters. It worked perfectly - until Wrothgar.

In Wrothgar most of the characters I actively play will loot nothing but tier 1 materials. I'll drown in maple, iron and natural water. Harvesting will be almost completely pointless (I'll still get tempers from refining all that raw hide...). The only way to acquire high level mats will be focused farming runs with my crafters and deconstructing looted items. No more casual gathering while I'm out questing.

But here's ZOS's reasoning: "This is to ensure everyone gets materials they can use, at any level."
In that case, shouldn't resource nodes scale to character level, not crafting passives? I don't need wood my alchemist can work with because she will never be crafting any staves - but I could use materials in her level range so I can replace her equipment when she levels up, either with my own woodworker or by asking another player to craft something in a style I don't know.

Thoughts? Opinions?

You arent able to casual loot v15 and v16 mats currently. No matter what you feel about it, there is no denying that gathering these nodes will be better than what it is now.

I like that the new resource node idea.

Because you won't have as many random farmers.

Just either play the character that can gather top shelf crafting mats.

Or the other one and ingnor the low level nodes.

I can't see the problem.

Plus any character can have some many skill points just from playing casually,

and if this is still a problem just save those "increase experience from deconstructing" items, send them to your lower alt, and your crafting skills go up very quickly. Apply perks, and badabing badaboom, you can collect them now! YAY!

You complaining/lazy people will just gotta work a little harder.



Thank Talos it's Fredas.

Stickleback wrote: »

After the latest (IC) patch, I've seen Craglorn turn from a node rich enviroment to a place that's overfarmed, making it very hard for crafters to find enough mats to do writs. The only place you can find enough mats to do your crafting is on traders. Which given the higher demand (due to the glass pages) is only logical.

Limiting the amount of people that can farm the nodes to dedicated crafters, is a nice boon for those of us who have slightly gimped our chars to max out crafting. But then ZOS seems to take away that boon when you pick up the 10/10 writ and read the requirements.

Seems like nobody wins..

Craglorn overfarmed? Maybe, but not on the NA DC server. If anything, there are so many nodes in Upper Craglorn, I've been wondering if farmers are taking any nirn and leaving the rest. And one rarely sees farmers in Lower Craglorn, where nodes are plentiful. No doubt the later will change once nirn can be farmed throughout Craglorn.

Getting back to OP, I understand Orsinium will force players to make some unpleasant choices. Having crafting split among characters is suddenly a hindrance where previously it was a boon. But that is all overshadowed now that we have seen drop rates for v15-16 mats are very low. Unless this changes, crafters will have to choose whether they go max passives to farm new mats, or stay 9/10 in passives so as to not throw those hard earned v15 mats away on writs for a chance at glass fragments. If new mats stay this rare, I'll have to level a non-crafter to do writs in Craglorn while my main farms Orsinium, rarely (never?) doing writs there. So like OP, I'm not liking where Orsinium is forcing us to go.

timparr wrote: »

If we are going to to this then shouldn't ALL zones then scale in the same way?

+1

Scaling nodes to skill points is the only correct way. If you consider yourself a crafter, then you surely can invest the points. If you level your crafters to about vr3 and fetch Cyrodiil skyshards, you can have all profesions on them.

Having said that, i don't like the Wrothgar scaling and randomness of nodes at all. Writs and crafting at top level with multiple toons require hundreds of mats per day. Currently Wrothgar just can't supply that much because 10-20% of nodes actully give vr15+ mats and most give one tier lower. My results are here . That nightwood is just garbage now, effectively reducing node count by 80-90%.

Old zones should retain their mats, as all of them are still needed to make gear for levelers, and Wrothgar should provide plenty of vr15+ mats without scaling nor randomness.

Johngo0036 wrote: »

It will stop non crafters from harvesting nodes and bringing prices of materials down..

I like the change and feel that it should be made like this in all areas..

And then you will only ever be able to harvest the top level that your craft is at...or maple.
Think about that for a moment.
This means if you want to make stuff for any characters not at the same level as your crafter's unlocked passives you are out of luck. You would have to make gathering alts with their craft strategically leveled and then kept locked at that point so you can harvest that level of material, and then you will only get that material when you log in with that character.

This will not work. This is Utterly Senselss. Doing it in Wrothgar is one thing but it SHOULD NOT be done everywhere.

If you have your crafter at 9 out of 9 passives on the crafts, they will always be harvesting the high level mats. Then if you decide to level any lower alts and aren't simultaneously working all their crafting levels up, they will be gathering iron, maple, and jute forever, and your crafter will be harvesting nightwood, voidstone, voidbloom. You will Not be Able to pick up oak, dwarven ore, cotton, calcinium, mahogany, etc. for all the in between levels, unless the current zones remain as they are.

If you have to craft in order to obtain materials, this is going to encourage everyone to level crafts on all their characters. Sure some may ignore the crafts altogether as they already do, but I don't think this is really going to help the crafter's market much if anyone with a mild interest in crafting or a desire to pick up everything they pass by is being urged to go ahead and level crafting for themselves, on every single toon.

As a very dedicated crafter I really REALLY appreciate being able to harvest materials as I quest with All my characters rather than having to spend extra time farming only on my crafting characters. Doing a harvest run on one character and picking up materials for all the crafts is So much more efficient than doing the same run with three different characters to get the same amount of materials because they're passing by all the nodes that they don't personally use - but I as a Player will Use. Such a change will push people not to specialize, but instead to do everything on everyone, and that really doesn't make sense for role playing and making Unique characters!

Aelthwyn wrote: »

And then you will only ever be able to harvest the top level that your craft is at...or maple.
Think about that for a moment.

Remember back even before when high level provisoners couldn't get low level recipes anymore from containers.

If they make it so we can not have low character level but max crafting level alts then we are done, screw that crap! The reason we stopped leveling that character is because we didn't like it and turned it into something useful a crafting alt.

Are they going to give us a refund for all the mats, motifs and money invested? Sounds like more ZO$ grinding mechanics to me.

Is ZO$ trying to beat EA at its own reputation?

AFrostWolf wrote: »

I have a dedicated Crafter. There are enough skill points in the game that you can max out all class skills, 2 weapon lines, all crafting, all racials, and then some. The DLC will add more quest line Skill points, More skyshards, ect. It's possible to do everything many times over on all characters except research and motifs, which wouldn't matter anyways as long as one character has them. (Account-wide please?)

This update doesn't effect me because I've put time and effort gathering all the skill points I can. If you do the same on every single character then this doesn't effect you at all.

I realize this is an old post but I just started playing again after many months hiatus and I'm starting to see the ramifications of this whole Wrothgar mess with harvesting. Why should players be forced to level up multiple characters in the same crafting skill just to harvest materials? This is lacking any sort of logic and for those of us that already set in stone which characters have crafting skills long before this update occurred this is seriously disruptive.

Prior to this change I had two main characters set up like this:

NB - I had little desire to use this character for anything other than DPS and wanted to focus on bow mostly (with one or two alternate weapons like daggers and 2H). That made this character ideal for learning the bulk of my crafting skills since I didn't need much flexibility for combat.

-max blacksmithing
-max clothing
-max woodworking
-max provisioning

Templar - Although I primarily wanted to heal on this character I wanted more flexibility to tank and dps so would need more skill lines potentially for combat which is why I only added a couple crafting skills to this character. Since this character was doing alchemy I decided this would also be my harvesting character so I put points into keen eye on all crafts for when I was out to harvest.

-max alchemy
-max enchanting
-added provisioning as well because it was easy to level
-3/3 in keen eye for all crafts

This arrangement worked *great* and I was very happy with it. Because I was using this arrangement I started getting most of the crafting achievements (refining and making things) on my NB and the harvesting (and treasure chest) achievements on my Templar.

Now after Wrothgar:

There is no efficient way for me to harvest materials. If I harvest with my NB I have to pass up certain nodes because they aren't maxed or I have to level up crafting in alchemy and enchanting on a second character. Even if I do this it totally screws my achievements up because I already built up a huge amount of points for that on my Templar.

If I harvest on my Templar I again have to either pass up the majority of nodes because they are worthless level 1 nodes or I have to level up 3 duplicate crafts and spend 30 duplicate skill points just to harvest nodes. This is beyond stupid. I find it hard to believe they couldn't come up with a better solution than this.

Just going to add my useless post here hehe. It is in fact Very worth it to get all your characters, eventually, to 50 in all crafts. The amount of goodies you get everyday is incredible. The ESO+ craft bag business CANNOT come soon enough though first world problems here.

umagon wrote: »

The problem I am having is even with everything maxed out in blacksmithing I only find maybe one V16 node for every 15 void stone nodes I come across. And seeing it takes 150 ingots to make one armor piece I am finding this to be really annoying. And to be honest if they this intentionally it will be the first and last dlc I buy. I am not going to spend nearly 2 months farming to craft one set only to have them turn around and increase the vet cap again.

Yeah, this is a double whammy. It's bad enough that 90% of the nodes are the same nodes you would see in Craglorn or the V12 zones but then that is also compounded by the fact that you won't even see that if you don't have skills maxed. The farming would at least be more bearable if you were able to harvest the zone as you traveled around the zone working on quests but that isn't possible unless you spend huge amounts of time/gold skilling up duplicate crafts on all your characters.