Do it for the Casual

MrGigglypants · October 2015

Remove guild traders, Replace it with centralized trader I.E. an auction house. Then increase the sales tax by 20% to make sure theres limited inflation. Guild traders are a broken system where the rich get richer and guild leads can sit back while 499 people work for them. Please put an end to ESO corporate welfare they don't share the profits in real life why would they in a video game.

Brrrofski · October 2015

Auction house isn't the answer

What stops the already rich buying up all stock of something and then selling it at a higher price?

Centralising a market doesn't promote price variation.

Gidorick · October 2015

MrGigglypants · October 2015

You can't control a market if the market has inflation controls in place because players will only ever have so much gold. Mercantilism is hardly an issue.

Casdha · October 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Hey is there a hidden meaning to the horse actually being an ass?

Gave you an awesome by the way

Edit: sorry I see that it is a mule,,,, so that makes it a Half Ass Horse

WldKarde · October 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

An awesome for the presentation!

Plus it gets my vote

purple-magicb16_ESO · October 2015

... or you could start your own guild and be part of the "rich getting richer"? Running a successful guild is a lot of work, so I wouldn't exactly say that they "sit back" and let 499 members do the work for them.

MrGigglypants · October 2015

Or I could not be forced to join or go through a guild to trade and simply deal with a mass market concept and people could maybe have guilds for pve and PvP? Though I do kind of like the horse idea.

Shadesofkin · October 2015

Yeah, I'm always going to be in favor of the current guild system and I barely use any of my guilds auction housing. It's free market in action, you can go shop in the one that has a better price (and there's almost always a better price).

Scared_of_Water · October 2015

So you go to the ass, search for a item, it checks every guild trader for the item and shows you all your options. Is that correct?, if so I can get behind that.

MikeB · October 2015

You shouldnt be forced to join a guild to sell goods. If you start your own guild then you gave to get at least 49 other people, most of who you wont/dont know, just to get the guild trader.

To those who say the current pricing in ESO is not controlled I just as that you look at EVERY guild trader in the game, all items are priced near the same. Why? Because sellers see what an items listed for on another Guild Trader, or ask in area chat, what X item goes for then post their item in their guild store around the same price. To think the pricing of items is not controlled by the biggest trade guilds, at least on console cant speak for PC, you are blind and very mistaken. For those to think the market is controlled in a global AH by the richest players I say who cares, if you post your item at half the price of their same item and they buy it just to post higher did you not just sell your item at the price you wanted? Here's the thing, dont be a follower when posting your items on the AH.

corrosivechains · October 2015

I understand where the OP is coming from. Thinking is hard and no one wants to do it for themselves. Also working is hard so I should get everything in game for just logging in instead. Actually looking for something that fits my views and desires and like minded people is oppressive and should also be done for me.

1 market, 1 guild, 1 brand.

#feelthebern

MrGigglypants · October 2015

Right because it takes thought to go to guild traders? I'm not saying let's make ESO a socialist game where gear is purely on a token system I'm saying centralize trading so there is actually competitive markets and shoppers don't have to wayshrine across tamriel in search of the mythical ring of agility.

Brrrofski · October 2015

Scared_of_Water wrote: »

So you go to the ass, search for a item, it checks every guild trader for the item and shows you all your options. Is that correct?, if so I can get behind that.

So to clarify, you're all for being behind the ass?

MrGigglypants · October 2015

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Brrrofski wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Auction house isn't the option

What stops the already Roch buying up all stock of something and then selling it at a higher price?

Centralising a market doean't promote price variation.

Scared_of_Water wrote: »

So you go to the ass, search for a item, it checks every guild trader for the item and shows you all your options. Is that correct?, if so I can get behind that.

So to clarify, you're all for being behind the ass?

The ass does seem fair

Shadesofkin · October 2015

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Right because it takes thought to go to guild traders? I'm not saying let's make ESO a socialist game where gear is purely on a token system I'm saying centralize trading so there is actually competitive markets and shoppers don't have to wayshrine across tamriel in search of the mythical ring of agility.

Except Centralized trading doesn't fix the issue you're talking about.

MrGigglypants · October 2015

Shadesofkin wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Right because it takes thought to go to guild traders? I'm not saying let's make ESO a socialist game where gear is purely on a token system I'm saying centralize trading so there is actually competitive markets and shoppers don't have to wayshrine across tamriel in search of the mythical ring of agility.

Except Centralized trading doesn't fix the issue you're talking about.

Elaborate

Callous2208 · October 2015

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Right because it takes thought to go to guild traders? I'm not saying let's make ESO a socialist game where gear is purely on a token system I'm saying centralize trading so there is actually competitive markets and shoppers don't have to wayshrine across tamriel in search of the mythical ring of agility.

Except Centralized trading doesn't fix the issue you're talking about.

Elaborate

I got two rings of agi on a trader in a less than prime location, for half of what they were going for in the major city traders. Had I went to a global ah, all of the rings would have been posted at the same high price with no deal to be found.

Shadesofkin · October 2015

You're assuming that rare items of epic (purple) level will somehow be more available in the centralized auction house, never mind that players who farm for such items may still choose to set whatever price they want or not post them at all (relying on the all too annoying "WTS X" announcement).

What's more, you're asking the game developers to destroy an entire market of players: the merchants in an effort to cater to the casual player who doesn't want to join a guild (which by the way..seriously?). The current system encourages crafting and merchant guilds and helps support the 5 guild system that was created so that a player *could* belong to a merchant guild and a raid guild at the same time.

Your idea does more harm than good, and the good it does do is not really worth it.

corrosivechains · October 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Right because it takes thought to go to guild traders? I'm not saying let's make ESO a socialist game where gear is purely on a token system I'm saying centralize trading so there is actually competitive markets and shoppers don't have to wayshrine across tamriel in search of the mythical ring of agility.

Except Centralized trading doesn't fix the issue you're talking about.

Elaborate

I got two rings of agi on a trader in a less than prime location, for half of what they were going for in the major city traders. Had I went to a global ah, all of the rings would have been posted at the same high price with no deal to be found.

and that's exactly why there's been an influx of SELLERS wanting a centralized AH. They don't want you finding a better deal, they want you to buy what they're selling.

BalticBlues · October 2015

Guild traders are good for the people who are in.
Guild traders are bad for the people who are out.

Guild traders are good for big trade guilds ruling the market,
Guild traders are bad for small trade guilds who will never be able to compete.

Suggestion: Why not having an extra trader in each capital city
who sales for anybody willing to pay a special sales tax
that ZOS can adjust each week to influence inflation?

Shadesofkin · October 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

Guild traders are good for the people who are in.
Guild traders are bad for the people who are out.

Guild traders are good for big trade guilds ruling the market,
Guild traders are bad for small trade guilds who will never be able to compete.

Suggestion: Why not having an extra trader in each capital city
who sales for anybody willing to pay a special sales tax
that ZOS can adjust each week to influence inflation?

I do actually support the idea of having a few extra vendors inserted that provide neutral shops for players who refuse to join a guild (seriously though...really?).

MrGigglypants · October 2015

Shadesofkin wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

Guild traders are good for the people who are in.
Guild traders are bad for the people who are out.

Guild traders are good for big trade guilds ruling the market,
Guild traders are bad for small trade guilds who will never be able to compete.

Suggestion: Why not having an extra trader in each capital city
who sales for anybody willing to pay a special sales tax
that ZOS can adjust each week to influence inflation?

I do actually support the idea of having a few extra vendors inserted that provide neutral shops for players who refuse to join a guild (seriously though...really?).

I'm flexible to other ideas I'm good with the horse or neutral vendors the charge an increased posting and sales tax. I essentially just want an alternative option I'm in trade guilds but its not because I want to be I'd much rather have another pvp pve guild in its place.

MikeB · October 2015

corrosivechains wrote: »

I understand where the OP is coming from. Thinking is hard and no one wants to do it for themselves. Also working is hard so I should get everything in game for just logging in instead. Actually looking for something that fits my views and desires and like minded people is oppressive and should also be done for me.

1 market, 1 guild, 1 brand.

#feelthebern

Stop over reacting, No one asked for free anything. With the load screens taking up to 5 minutes EACH, traveling all over tamriel trying to find an item at a decent price takes hours, yes with an "S" at the end, HOURS. Just because you like to waste your time in game because you have all day to play doesnt mean the rest of us with lives like to waste the few hours at most a day we get to play, if we get to play everyday. Its a request of convenience for those with less time to play. The current system doesnt work, its a huge waste of time and the prices are normalized across all guild vendors anyway, so why not centralize it? If you're adamant on there being different guild vendors at least put them all in the same place.

Vangy · October 2015

If your a casual you should not want a centralised auction house trust me. Those with billions of gold now would just band together and buy let's say all the ring of agilities in 10 mins. And repost them. Then you will be boned if u need this item. Now they have to go from town to town and spend massive amounts of time to pull something like this. If you are a casual and someone with not much gold. You should be the first to shoot down any kind of centralised auction house system. If your familiar with d3 this is exactly what happened. Gold farmers ran the market. Tax won't help. Even at 20%, there are enough people with so much gold they can control the market via monopolies lol.

Callous2208 · October 2015

corrosivechains wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Right because it takes thought to go to guild traders? I'm not saying let's make ESO a socialist game where gear is purely on a token system I'm saying centralize trading so there is actually competitive markets and shoppers don't have to wayshrine across tamriel in search of the mythical ring of agility.

Except Centralized trading doesn't fix the issue you're talking about.

Elaborate

I got two rings of agi on a trader in a less than prime location, for half of what they were going for in the major city traders. Had I went to a global ah, all of the rings would have been posted at the same high price with no deal to be found.

and that's exactly why there's been an influx of SELLERS wanting a centralized AH. They don't want you finding a better deal, they want you to buy what they're selling.

Ha exactly. Plus most of the sellers I know asking for a centralized trading hub are newer players wanting to unload junk in a sit it and forget it global ah. People act like you can't wts (rare item) 5 seconds after you advertise that in Deshaan.

MrGigglypants · October 2015

Vangy wrote: »

If your a casual you should not want a centralised auction house trust me. Those with billions of gold now would just band together and buy let's say all the ring of agilities in 10 mins. And repost them. Then you will be boned if u need this item. Now they have to go from town to town and spend massive amounts of time to pull something like this. If you are a casual and someone with not much gold. You should be the first to shoot down any kind of centralised auction house system. If your familiar with d3 this is exactly what happened. Gold farmers ran the market. Tax won't help. Even at 20%, there are enough people with so much gold they can control the market via monopolies lol.

I disagree any merchant is simply going to try to optimize a market and make margins he's going to do the math and see where the low end thresh holds are and try to sell it above for a profit . high posting cost sales tax and short sale post duration highly discourage such a thing try DC universe economy is fine over there.

Slurg · October 2015

You do not speak for this casual player.

System we have now is fine, just needs some tweaking like better search tools and a limited consignment shop in the major cities for unaffiliated traders to list a handful of wares.

Defilted · October 2015

Say no to a centralized Auction house!!
Down with Socialism!
Free Markets where hard working people that want to spend hours and hours a week running a trade guild get richer is the right way! They deserves to be paid for their time and work in some way.

Shadesofkin · October 2015

Defilted wrote: »

Say no to a centralized Auction house!!
Down with Socialism!
Free Markets where hard working people that want to spend hours and hours a week running a trade guild get richer is the right way! They deserves to be paid for their time and work in some way.

I mean, as sarcastic as that might sound, yeah...ultimately the merchant players deserve just as much fun as the rest of the games players, they find it in trying to score the best auction house, crafting and selling their stuff; in turn they support the players who only sell loot or mats but still let them get their free market on.

It's a good system, has been since the day it came out.

MrGrimey · October 2015

Never understood the point of guild traders and why anyone wouldn't want a global auction house... Just another thing that Zos does that makes this game inconvenient on new and casual players