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What is an acceptable amount of health for a DPS?
NateAssassin
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People won't do pledges with me now because I have 17k health, yet I've done them fine in the past? Is there any way I can get more health without sacrificing DPS, I'd rather not then have to deal with "Your DPS is too low!" if I increase my health.
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LordSemaj✭✭✭✭✭Start linking them all your veteran dungeon achievements, tell them to go gank themselves, then quit the group and find a smarter one.11 -
GnGEmpire✭✭✭Personally I have only 14K health at Vr16 (and that's after a 5K health boost via food) and I never have trouble with dungeon veteran dungeons nor player groups (That's probably because I'm a magic sorc tho and have about double that amount with my shields up.
If you're stam based I think 20k'ish is what you should in most cases try to aim for. I don't see many healers/stam based DD's with less than that.Casualty - small high end/end game PvE guild. Recruiting!1 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Thing is, you need that additional dps now because of the changes.
We were wiping on things we never did before. While tanking the adds (all those horrible notches) I get barely any stamina regen so need them burned down quickly so I can regen some. We struggled to do that due to a dps with split resources and single target abilities.
The past is just that. This is a different game now.
What class are you and how are your attributes split?Edited by Brrrofski on September 23, 2015 7:10AM2 -
BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well People also said im a *** tank with 14k HP (pre 1.7)
well they said nothing more when they realised i have a dps Output from 15k and never died and was able to do most boss solo.......#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
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Bhakura✭✭✭✭You really dont need to look how other people do it, or listen when they tell you how to do it.
If you know your character and its good enuf to fill your role its ment to be, everyone should just bleep the bleep up.
14k hp dpser and can solo alot of dung bosses
19k hp tank with resto staff that hardly ever blocks and doesnt die, you wouldnt believe the hate this one is getting because not having shield and not blocking. Yet i can run dungeons with my eyes closed.
Like @Lordsemaj said, if they cant accept an out of the box character thats actually good but considered bad cus its not the usual, quit group and find another.1 -
ragespell✭✭✭You really dont need to look how other people do it, or listen when they tell you how to do it.
If you know your character and its good enuf to fill your role its ment to be, everyone should just bleep the bleep up.
14k hp dpser and can solo alot of dung bosses
19k hp tank with resto staff that hardly ever blocks and doesnt die, you wouldnt believe the hate this one is getting because not having shield and not blocking. Yet i can run dungeons with my eyes closed.
Like @Lordsemaj said, if they cant accept an out of the box character thats actually good but considered bad cus its not the usual, quit group and find another.
you are just driving your healer mad to keep you alive.
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Bhakura✭✭✭✭You really dont need to look how other people do it, or listen when they tell you how to do it.
If you know your character and its good enuf to fill your role its ment to be, everyone should just bleep the bleep up.
14k hp dpser and can solo alot of dung bosses
19k hp tank with resto staff that hardly ever blocks and doesnt die, you wouldnt believe the hate this one is getting because not having shield and not blocking. Yet i can run dungeons with my eyes closed.
Like @Lordsemaj said, if they cant accept an out of the box character thats actually good but considered bad cus its not the usual, quit group and find another.
you are just driving your healer mad to keep you alive.
that be true if i needed one
healers there for the dps because i cant heal them
(nerf dks
)
Edited by Bhakura on September 23, 2015 7:53AM1 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There's no "right" number. It depends on your build (shield-stacking sorcs need less), your skill level, your gear, and even how much extra mitigation you're getting from CP. And it'll depend on the dungeon that you're running. You need a lot less for VR16 nonvet Fungal than you would VR16 vet ICP.
If you can make it through VR16 vet dungeons without dying too much and without much hand-holding from the healer, then you're fine. On the other hand, if you are dying more than the rest of the team, then you should do something about your health. I did a run of vet Darkshade last week where one DPS had just 15K health (not a sorc) and was almost always the first to die (twice in a row during the Dwemer army). He then became annoyed and indignant, blaming everyone else but him, when I pointed out that he had too little health; I came very close to kicking him on the spot. Don't be that guy.Edited by code65536 on September 23, 2015 7:55AMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭You really dont need to look how other people do it, or listen when they tell you how to do it.
If you know your character and its good enuf to fill your role its ment to be, everyone should just bleep the bleep up.
14k hp dpser and can solo alot of dung bosses
19k hp tank with resto staff that hardly ever blocks and doesnt die, you wouldnt believe the hate this one is getting because not having shield and not blocking. Yet i can run dungeons with my eyes closed.
Like @Lordsemaj said, if they cant accept an out of the box character thats actually good but considered bad cus its not the usual, quit group and find another.
you are just driving your healer mad to keep you alive.
that be true if i needed one
healers there for the dps because i cant heal them
(nerf dks)
dude, stonefist is cool if you have meele dps in you grp, you dont Need a healer then
#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
#betterhotfixgrindspots0 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭Start linking them all your veteran dungeon achievements, tell them to go gank themselves, then quit the group and find a smarter one.
Thats the Status Generation, post your Archievements and you are a big One. That means nothing, no ones knows if the Group was good, and carry the Dps with them. If a Dps or Tank means he can run around with low Hitpoints, because he can handle this, he has to prove it.
If he dies to often, or get oneshotted, it doesnt work. If it doesnt work, the great Mouth from the Dps & Tank wasted the Time of the other Players and he get a Kick, faster then he can say "Where was the Heal".
No Blahblah, a Kick and he can go into his Guildchat and cry there a River like "Lolol, i am the Archievementstallon, but no one wants me.....all Noobs". No one cares.Edited by Murmeltier on September 23, 2015 9:38AM0 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭You really dont need to look how other people do it, or listen when they tell you how to do it.
If you know your character and its good enuf to fill your role its ment to be, everyone should just bleep the bleep up.
14k hp dpser and can solo alot of dung bosses
19k hp tank with resto staff that hardly ever blocks and doesnt die, you wouldnt believe the hate this one is getting because not having shield and not blocking. Yet i can run dungeons with my eyes closed.
Like @Lordsemaj said, if they cant accept an out of the box character thats actually good but considered bad cus its not the usual, quit group and find another.
you are just driving your healer mad to keep you alive.
that be true if i needed one
healers there for the dps because i cant heal them
(nerf dks)
dude, stonefist is cool if you have meele dps in you grp, you dont Need a healer then
You are joking, right? Go and heal several Gold Dailys or WGT, IP with only Stonefist. What, you cant? Dude, why you say this then?2 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭You really dont need to look how other people do it, or listen when they tell you how to do it.
If you know your character and its good enuf to fill your role its ment to be, everyone should just bleep the bleep up.
14k hp dpser and can solo alot of dung bosses
19k hp tank with resto staff that hardly ever blocks and doesnt die, you wouldnt believe the hate this one is getting because not having shield and not blocking. Yet i can run dungeons with my eyes closed.
Like @Lordsemaj said, if they cant accept an out of the box character thats actually good but considered bad cus its not the usual, quit group and find another.
You can do what you want, if it is working. And if not, you dont have to search a new Group, the Group will do it for you through kickin you out. Simple it is.0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Put 4 points of Health into my level 30 nightblade, came out with 38k health. God bless you battle levelling.0 -
reften✭✭✭✭✭For fights against a PvE boss, that take a long time...med/heavy attacks twisted with poison arrow, with a rally/flying blade buff and camo hunter is your best bet. Max stamina not needed, I rarely run out.
I have 32k+ health, and need every point....and 3300+ weapon dam, so my DPS is fine, and I never run out of stamina doing those long fights.
Edited by reften on September 23, 2015 12:33PMReften
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭That's for you to know.
I decided to sacrifice a little bit of max magicka and spell damage for a little bit more health and it suits my playstyle better, the healer rarely needs to take care of me anymore and can concentrate on the tank. I also like to solo many things so a little bit of health (23K buffed) is useful.
But your playstyle might just as well be fine with less health than average. I've seen people tanking VDSA with 18K (not necessarily with glass cannon dps that would nuke down everything instantly).
Problem is, people who group you while not yet knowing you have no way to know if you have 17K health because you have no clue or because you're excellent. Both is possible. So just know for yourself if that's enough, and then explain them.
There are also a few instances like Mantikora where a minimum health is required in order not to get one-shot by AOE attacks you cannot avoid, so there's no way around that.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on September 23, 2015 12:53PM1 -
briandivisionb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Assuming that most people with <19k health doesn't know what they're doing is stereotyping. It is bad.
But welcome to life.
If your group is bigger than 6 members gain 75% damage reduction.
Write this on the back of your box and see how many sales you get!
You won't get any new PvP players until this archaic AoE crap is fixed.
I for one won't resub until:
1.) You fix lag.
2.) You remove AOE caps we voted against.
3.) 12 months have passed (this is how long we've waited for you to 'get with it')[/b]0 -
Paulington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am currently running 16.3k health with VR15 Blue food buff and I seem fine as a Sorcerer. All AP in Magicka. This may be a bit harder for melee DPS but I stay in melee range almost all of the time anyway.
Yes it does necessitate having food buff up 100% of the time but food is cheap.Edited by Paulington on September 23, 2015 1:29PM0 -
BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Murmeltier wrote: »You really dont need to look how other people do it, or listen when they tell you how to do it.
If you know your character and its good enuf to fill your role its ment to be, everyone should just bleep the bleep up.
14k hp dpser and can solo alot of dung bosses
19k hp tank with resto staff that hardly ever blocks and doesnt die, you wouldnt believe the hate this one is getting because not having shield and not blocking. Yet i can run dungeons with my eyes closed.
Like @Lordsemaj said, if they cant accept an out of the box character thats actually good but considered bad cus its not the usual, quit group and find another.
you are just driving your healer mad to keep you alive.
that be true if i needed one
healers there for the dps because i cant heal them
(nerf dks)
dude, stonefist is cool if you have meele dps in you grp, you dont Need a healer then
You are joking, right? Go and heal several Gold Dailys or WGT, IP with only Stonefist. What, you cant? Dude, why you say this then?
well depens on the dungeon/Group and Boss#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
#betterhotfixgrindspots0 -
NateAssassin✭✭✭✭✭I get told my health is low a lot actually, and it's preventing me from even doing pledges now as I got kicked out of my PvE guilds for nothing, and all the good PUG players say health is too low, and the only groups I can find are filled with low vet or dumb vets.
And I am a sorc, I usually run with my hardened ward up at all times and I don't die very much, I've ran trials numerous times, only thing I haven't done is DSA because either group sucks or I am told my health is too low.
It's not that I want people to think I am insecure and don't want criticism, I want to actually be able to join a group and not get kicked 10 minutes into waiting for a tank to join because I have less than 17k health.AD | Malaya the Mystic ─ VR16 Khajiit Sorc | Shal'ina the Swift ─ VR16 Khajiit NB | Jòhn Cena ─ VR1 Khajiit NB | Priestess Shaari ─ VR1 Temp0 -
Flaminir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭For every good player with 15-18k health you will get 10 bad ones.
Personally I'm quite open... if you're good enough to play with a low health / glass cannon spec then fantastic.....
The problem comes when its the other 90% who aren't, and then just die all the time.
There's also the question of 'Who are you playing with?' If it's guildies you know well and trust then its easier to drop your health down....
if you're PUG'ing then its harder as you have no idea what those other players are like. You may end up with a dodgy healer/tank and need the extra health.... however good a player you are, it's also about the group makeup.
Traditionally many people say 20k health is the DPS standard to account for player skill level & build variables.Edited by Flaminir on September 23, 2015 3:01PMGM of the Unholy LegacyPC/EU/EP0 -
s7732425ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you are a new VR16 that has very little experience running Veteran dungeons and Trials, you pretty much need 18k-20k HP or else your group will hate you.
If you are a veteran VR16 and have run every vet dungeon and Trial 50+ times, then you can get away with 15k HP. However, this is for the 1% out there. I am extremely wary anytime a player runs with this low amount of health. Most veteran DPS players run with 16-17k or slightly more.
Note:
If you are a pure DPS character running more than 20k HP, you are gimping yourself. If you really need more than 20k HP to survive, it means you are lacking basic combat awareness skills. Practice, practice, practice by running more dungeons.0 -
Scyantific✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm running all my points in Magicka, using all Magicka enchants, and I still get 20k+ with foods on both my Sorc and NB. Granted I use 5/1/1 for the Undaunted bonus and have points into Juggernaut for more HP.Edited by Scyantific on September 23, 2015 3:36PM0 -
Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Only way I call it is have enough hp to survive bursts. After that, work your build how you like.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
NateAssassin✭✭✭✭✭
I wouldn't consider myself a pro at doing dungeons or trials, I've done Hel Ra many times and AA a few times, I can never find a group but when I do we don't have many issues, I've never done Sanctum simply because I can never find a group for it. I've done all of the veteran dungeons many times, I've never really had issues with getting one shotted unless I am lagging, make a bad call, or on accident roll into red when trying to get away from mobs.s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »If you are a new VR16 that has very little experience running Veteran dungeons and Trials, you pretty much need 18k-20k HP or else your group will hate you.
If you are a veteran VR16 and have run every vet dungeon and Trial 50+ times, then you can get away with 15k HP. However, this is for the 1% out there. I am extremely wary anytime a player runs with this low amount of health. Most veteran DPS players run with 16-17k or slightly more.
Note:
If you are a pure DPS character running more than 20k HP, you are gimping yourself. If you really need more than 20k HP to survive, it means you are lacking basic combat awareness skills. Practice, practice, practice by running more dungeons.
I am running with 5 light and 2 heavy, I need to get the next Undaunted guild level so I can put 2 skillpoints into the Mettle skill, and I need to level up medium and heavy armor as well. Even with all light armor as long as I have shields up I don't take much damage, and with Structured Entropy, it heals you slightly and with shields up you regen health pretty quick.Scyantific wrote: »I'm running all my points in Magicka, using all Magicka enchants, and I still get 20k+ with foods on both my Sorc and NB. Granted I use 5/1/1 for the Undaunted bonus and have points into Juggernaut for more HP.
I do this too, sometimes I think people don't realize sorc has those big shields.I run Sorcerer DPS with only 12k HP and I never die lmfao.
Shield stack life.
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eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Most people will need at least 20k HP to not get one-shotted in dungeons. If you are a sorc there is no lower limit if you have high enough magicka and can keep your shields up all the time. Hardened Ward gives me about 20k give or take at about 35k magicka.:trollin:1 -
Daveheart✭✭✭✭16.5k, should be fine if your awareness isn't terrible. I do however find it hard to get my health lower than 17k without running drink (which would also gimp your DPS).Daggerfall Covenant (PC-NA)
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