When will Dark Flare get the Crystal Fragments treatment?

UrQuan · September 2015

DigitalShibby wrote: »

I use the Solar barrage morph, I treat it like a buff instead of an attack. It can be used outside of combat with no target, its an insta cast 20% more damage buff.

I use that morph too, and I also use it mostly as a buff. What I usually do for DPS against a group of mobs is:

Reflective Light (damage + DoT + snare + 10% bonus to spell crit)
Solar Barrage (damage + 20% bonus to damage of next attack; I mostly use it for the damage bonus, and sometimes I'm still moving towards the mobs and not in range to actually hit them yet when I cast it)
Elemental Ring (damage + DoT)
Puncturing Sweep (damage + self-heal)

I'll throw in heavy attacks here and there as appropriate, along with a Shooting Star or Solar Prison if I'm going up against a particularly dangerous group.

Digiman · September 2015

When they take away all your sustain DPS and force you to use cloth for said class like the rest... oh wait only sorcerers get that.

Stamina is the way for DPS, Eric Wrobels decree with Shield breaker. Don't like it, then leave.

BugCollector · September 2015

Digiman wrote: »

When they take away all your sustain DPS and force you to use cloth for said class like the rest... oh wait only sorcerers get that.

Stamina is the way for DPS, Eric Wrobels decree with Shield breaker. Don't like it, then leave.

It shouldn't be that way.

BuggeX · September 2015

when will molten whipe get the puncturing sweepTreatment.

with a insane dmg and insane heal - no rec to proc on somthing

MLRPZ · September 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

If you want skills like a sorc, maybe you should have rolled a sorc.

Don't think of Dark Flare as Crystal Fragments, think of it as the magicka version of Wrecking Blow.

can we have a insta cast proc on WB ?

Docmandu · September 2015

Asmael wrote: »

At least, at the very least...

Drop the godamm trajectory, and give it a plus or less straight one. Takes a week or two between the moment it is cast, and the moment it's landing...

Sometimes, this is the best feature of the spell.. and other times it's the worst feature.

kuscoe · September 2015

Tonturri wrote: »

3) Maybe a stacking Empower mechanic? Cast one, it boosts the next attack by 20%, land another one and it boosts by 25%, and so on. Increment by 5% up to 2 times. Rewards multiple casts, but the cast and projectile travel time can be adjusted to balance out the damage increase. Also adds depth to casting priority and bursting. Do I want to stay in melee range and try to kite around jabs, or stay at a range and try to avoid the Dark Flares w/LoS, reflects and whatnot.

Did you honestly just suggest it get a buff for spamming?

13igTyme · September 2015

I don't think were looking at this right. People want cast moves to be like Dark crystal, but right now there's only one morph anyone will ever use. The instant cast. When not a single soul uses the other morph that should be a red flag.

Anhedonie · September 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Dark Flare should never get instant cast proc.

And why is that? If they remove the aoe healing debuff and change it to single target debuff and if they remove the empower buff. What's so special about it then? Crystal Frags is a thousand times better.

Different class, different ability. And Empower buff is only good thing about Dark Flare. Want to have fragments - roll a sorc then.

BugCollector · September 2015

Anhedonie wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Dark Flare should never get instant cast proc.

And why is that? If they remove the aoe healing debuff and change it to single target debuff and if they remove the empower buff. What's so special about it then? Crystal Frags is a thousand times better.

Different class, different ability. And Empower buff is only good thing about Dark Flare. Want to have fragments - roll a sorc then.

You said it! Empower is the ONLY good thing about Dark Flare.

Alucardo · September 2015

Sure, if I can proc WB for an insta-cast with increased damage and half the cost

olsborg · September 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

Meaning a chance to instant cast with reduced cost.

As soon as sorcs get a version of breath of life, k thx.

BugCollector · September 2015

olsborg wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

Meaning a chance to instant cast with reduced cost.

As soon as sorcs get a version of breath of life, k thx.

*cough* shieldstacking *cough*

BugCollector · September 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Sure, if I can proc WB for an insta-cast with increased damage and half the cost

Like WB isn't already powerful enough...

willymchilybily · September 2015

Asmael wrote: »

At least, at the very least...

Drop the godamm trajectory, and give it a plus or less straight one. Takes a week or two between the moment it is cast, and the moment it's landing...

I have never played templar, but this is sounding a lot like lethal arrow bow skill. healing debuff, cast/travel time but with the added bonus of a damage buff, surely this is a great skill to set up a burst attack with..or am i missing something?

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

willymchilybily wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

At least, at the very least...

Drop the godamm trajectory, and give it a plus or less straight one. Takes a week or two between the moment it is cast, and the moment it's landing...

I have never played templar, but this is sounding a lot like lethal arrow bow skill. healing debuff, cast/travel time but with the added bonus of a damage buff, surely this is a great skill to set up a burst attack with..or am i missing something?

Dark Flare can't be used for a sneak attack.
Even if you sneak up behind your enemy and directly stuff it up their ass, it will always be registered as a normal (or crit) hit, rather than a sneak attack.

Besides that, Lethal arrow hits quite a bit harder than Dark Flare. Dark Flare can be reflected by Templars/ DK or anyone with a SnB set-up, while snipe can't be reflected (Because of the long fight time it is pretty easy to reflect Dark Flare).
Although the damage only hits one person, the healing debuff hits multiple people. This also happens when someone reflected it, meaning that a skill you fired can cause all your allies to get a healing debuff.

leroit · September 2015

Im a sorc myself, but i would really like this for Templars. they just dont have enough with just dark flare.

SeptimusDova · September 2015

Take Dark flare and Rd from the templar line and Give us the Wabbajack spell instead !!!!!

AhPook_Is_Here · September 2015

More importantly, when will they miss some revision comments and the heal de-buff will once again stack with itself?

tplink3r1 · September 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

when will molten whipe get the puncturing sweepTreatment.

with a insane dmg and insane heal - no rec to proc on somthing

When they change it to a channeled ability.

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

tplink3r1 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

when will molten whipe get the puncturing sweepTreatment.

with a insane dmg and insane heal - no rec to proc on somthing

When they change it to a channeled ability.

Also, it shouldn't have the auto aim function it has now, only hit the direction you are facing (for the complete duration).
Cutting the damage by 75% for each hit, and making it a channel hitting 4 times seems pretty fun.
Ow, and free CC immunity for the targets.

I mean, if you want the puncturing sweep treatment, you can get the full package (not just the good parts).

Hiero_Glyph · September 2015

I know this was touched on by others but making Dark Flare instant cast won't solve its travel time issues. I mean now that you can dodge Radiant Destruction the best defense against a magicka Templar is to dodge roll and negate their damage. Dark Flare is great against mobs but horrible against players that are the least bit proficient. Even Spear Shards has a travel time so really only Sun Fire is an instant cast, non-arc damage ability and it is a heavy DoT that is incredibly weak per second.

Sadly, magicka Templars need a lot more than an instant cast version of Dark Flare to become a proficient caster.

FadedJeans · September 2015

I love dark flare. When we encounter self-healing super tanks in IC I spam it so our DDs can take them down lickety-split.

Without me spamming dark flare, it's a much longer fight.

I'm fine with it the way it is, really, but I wouldn't be sad if it had a chance at insta-proc.

BugCollector · September 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

More importantly, when will they miss some revision comments and the heal de-buff will once again stack with itself?

In order for Dark Flare to not become OP with a chance to instant cast, the healing debuff needs to be single target and the Empower buff should be removed.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · September 2015

While we are handing out unnecessary buffs can we make breath of life turn my Templar invisible and Radiant Oppression allow me to fly? I'll also take an inner light buff to +200% magicka while we are at it. I mean since everyone seems to think magicka Templars need help its only fair, right?

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

While we are handing out unnecessary buffs can we make breath of life turn my Templar invisible and Radiant Oppression allow me to fly? I'll also take an inner light buff to +200% magicka while we are at it. I mean since everyone seems to think magicka Templars need help its only fair, right?

Would be better if they just took your keyboard away, as you can't seem to type anything intelligent.

The aim of this suggestion (from what i get) is to make certain skills a bit more useful.
That Dark Flare (or magicka Templar for this case) needs some help, i agree. If this is the right way, idk.

Magicka Templars DO need some help. A complete playstyle (magicka Templar = Puncturing Sweep) being based around 1 skills isn't a playstyle. Its making use of 1 convenient (if not OP) skill and calling it a decently balanced class.

You got 5 slots on your bar (6 if you call ultimate). Would it be to much to ask if you actually could do some damage rotations or anything. IDK how braindead some people are that they can call a 1 skill rotation a valid playstyle, but for me personally it's not. Rather Nerf 1 skill and actually implement some engaging gameplay then just sit behind your PC (or console), drooling because your brain shut down caused by the monotonous action of pressing a single button from level 1 till endgame.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · September 2015

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

While we are handing out unnecessary buffs can we make breath of life turn my Templar invisible and Radiant Oppression allow me to fly? I'll also take an inner light buff to +200% magicka while we are at it. I mean since everyone seems to think magicka Templars need help its only fair, right?

Would be better if they just took your keyboard away, as you can't seem to type anything intelligent.

The aim of this suggestion (from what i get) is to make certain skills a bit more useful.
That Dark Flare (or magicka Templar for this case) needs some help, i agree. If this is the right way, idk.

Magicka Templars DO need some help. A complete playstyle (magicka Templar = Puncturing Sweep) being based around 1 skills isn't a playstyle. Its making use of 1 convenient (if not OP) skill and calling it a decently balanced class.

You got 5 slots on your bar (6 if you call ultimate). Would it be to much to ask if you actually could do some damage rotations or anything. IDK how braindead some people are that they can call a 1 skill rotation a valid playstyle, but for me personally it's not. Rather Nerf 1 skill and actually implement some engaging gameplay then just sit behind your PC (or console), drooling because your brain shut down caused by the monotonous action of pressing a single button from level 1 till endgame.

That's great advice considering good magic Templars don't even bother with puncturing sweep! Nerf the world!

Lightninvash · September 2015

when will ppl get it dark flare is dark flare it is not crystal fragments.. if you want that skill roll a sorc stop trying to change the skills to make them a replica of another.

BlackEar · September 2015

Templars need some love.

Basks · September 2015

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

That's great advice considering good magic Templars don't even bother with puncturing sweep! Nerf the world!

That's the first time I've heard that. I've 3manned vCoA with only 1 wipe with Skoria under hardmode parameters, and consistently get 16k dps while main healing. The entire class is jabs.