Argonians racial passives still aren't much better, but the did improve slightly with the Imperial City patch:

•Amphibious: Increased the bonus Health, Magicka and Stamina restore upon consuming a potion to 2/5/8% from 2/4/6%.

•Argonian Resistance: Increased the maximum health bonus from this passive to 2/4/6 from 1/2/3.

•Quick to Mend: Increased the bonus healing received from this passive to 3/6/9 from 2/4/6.

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

So Argonians are still only for hardcore role players that want to be a lizard, and npcs that you get quests from or buy thing off of.

Pretty much, yeah

This is really, really sad. I guess I'll be playing Skyrim until something happens.

I really don't want to play with a character I don't like

Oxkill wrote: »

This is really, really sad. I guess I'll be playing Skyrim until something happens.

I really don't want to play with a character I don't like

Racials don't matter much unless you expect to enter endgame content, and be competitive with the best players.

If you are a casual gamer, you can have tons of fun and be welcomed among the roleplayers in ESO. There is no content in this game yet that excludes any races, given that you don't go for the high scores.

Oxkill wrote: »

Well, I feel kinda excluded, since I would also like to go for the endgame content. I enjoy roleplaying as a personal thing, building my character personality, but nothing more than that.

It's a real shame: I really like this game, but I don't want to be the last wheel only for my character's look, a mere preference. At least, I'd like some options for my race: I could even play another class, but I don't want to be stuck as a mediocre healer.

Sometimes, it seems to me that ZOS doesn't care about these things at all.

Oh dear, I think you misunderstood me.

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Racials don't matter much unless you expect to enter endgame content, and be competitive with the best players.

If you are a casual gamer, you can have tons of fun and be welcomed among the roleplayers in ESO. There is no content in this game yet that excludes any races, given that you don't go for the high scores.

You can still do endgame content with bad racial passives.

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Oxkill wrote: »

Well, I feel kinda excluded, since I would also like to go for the endgame content. I enjoy roleplaying as a personal thing, building my character personality, but nothing more than that.

It's a real shame: I really like this game, but I don't want to be the last wheel only for my character's look, a mere preference. At least, I'd like some options for my race: I could even play another class, but I don't want to be stuck as a mediocre healer.

Sometimes, it seems to me that ZOS doesn't care about these things at all.

Oh dear, I think you misunderstood me.

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Racials don't matter much unless you expect to enter endgame content, and be competitive with the best players.

If you are a casual gamer, you can have tons of fun and be welcomed among the roleplayers in ESO. There is no content in this game yet that excludes any races, given that you don't go for the high scores.

You can still do endgame content with bad racial passives.

I'm sorry, my mistake: I thought you were saiyng that Argonians were available ONLY for Roleplayers. I've read they'll be working on racials while preparing something for a race change service, and I hope it will be soon.


I don't care about the single number itself, I just want to avoid to get destroyed in pve/pvp for my race choice; this is my greatest fear. Lol

Allyhoo811 wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Oh dear, I think you misunderstood me.

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Racials don't matter much unless you expect to enter endgame content, and be competitive with the best players.

If you are a casual gamer, you can have tons of fun and be welcomed among the roleplayers in ESO. There is no content in this game yet that excludes any races, given that you don't go for the high scores.

You can still do endgame content with bad racial passives.

This is correct. Unless you are someone who desires being at the top of the leaderboards, you don't really need to worry too much about racial passives. In the grand scheme of things, the benefits from the abilities are pretty small.

It's only when you are playing with the best of the best and trying to achieve the best possible times/scores/etc. that extreme min/max'ing matters a great deal.

Even then chances are you're not going to be playing a single character all of the time because builds/meta's change constantly and one race/class combo will not stay at the "top" forever.

As others here have said OP, just pick the race you want and play the game for fun. I have played some of the most un-optimal races/class combinations possible (Bosmer Magicka Sorcerer) and still had massive fun and completed content with it.

The only reason to min-max your race is to shave off those extra seconds in times for trials or to have that 10% better buff in PvP, both of which are pointless if not played by great player skills.

This is relief, guys, thank you. I even tried to get back to GW2, but I was spoiled so much by the atmosphere of ESO that was completely impossible for me. Haha!



This game has HUGE possibilities, I just hope it gets better and better with time.

I love my Argonian NB. They make awesome Sap Tanks if you focus on incoming heals and also hold their own as more than capable healers in the right hands. The potion passive is really nice if you are a tank with tripots, so you get the most bang for your buck!

@Darlgon I know all the passives but maybe I did not understand the one about healing. So the healing is only incoming heals? I had checked with a few different people and the wording for it was that it was healing received, or so we thought. I know it says healing received but I was hoping it was also healing that you gave to yourself. So, are you saying it is just from other people? If so, then this race just became even more sad.
Oh, not sure if that last comment was clarification or towards me, but I never mentioned healing anyone else.

Sorry for the confusion, I will try again. My thought is the Argonian have a bonus healing however the High Elves have increased magicka. With a higher magicka pool, would the High Elves receive more healing from the spell than an Argonian with the healing received bonus and a lower magicka pool?
I hope that clarifies better. Thank you for responding by the way.

If an Argonian and an Altmer have equal builds, mundus stone, skills slotted, home campaign and excluding their champion points player skills:

If a healer casts a healing spell that heals for 100hp, the Argonian will recieve 106hp from it while the Altmer will recieve 100hp.

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I don't know wether an Argonian will be able to heal himself higher than an Altmer can heal himself. This leaves to be tested. I don't know any argonians templars I can test this with, who have the same home campaign and addons as I do.