Loot Drops in Vet WGT and Prison

Dagoth_Rac · September 2015

Well at least you get good XP from these dungeons! Oh wait, the XP is pathetic, too. So ... we have brutally difficult content, less XP for an entire dungeon than 3 minutes of killing trash mobs in the sewers, an atrocious drop rate for BoP gear. The new dungeons just do not seem worth the frustration. I know that in an ideal world everybody would do content for "fun". But that is not how it works. When the ROI is so pathetic for the time and energy invested, you eventually get tired of banging your head against the wall.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO · September 2015

Complete situation is dead end. Why would u need new gear if u can complete top end content hundreds of times without new gear. Gear should be support in completing something and here we need to complete it if we want to get it which is nonsense. All that should happen within same expansion. In my opinion we have here 2 really really good dungeons but don't have feeling of satisfaction coz we don't have material evidence of our progress. They obviously didn't think through all this itemization thingy and really missing chance to score couple points.
Its very sad but we have to give ZOS credits for being able in continuity to lose battles which they already won .

Personofsecrets · September 2015

asneakybanana wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

It would really be nice if @zos would give an update to increased loot drops from these dungeons.

I have spent 2 weeks with multiple runs daily to farm the gear sets that drop from these dungeons. The problem I am having is the drop rate is so incredibly low, that farming these dungeons has become all my game time has been devoted to. When did this become Elder Scrolls Grind Until Your Eyes Bleed? I understand that there should be some sort of grind being new content and what not... but this is absurd.

Trials has become obsolete, and I feel like I should just make a long term PvP set with easier to get gear and just PvP. The new PvE content is dying rapidly as well as a lot of the player base (from my perspective). Old PvE content can only be ran so many times before it gets old as well.

Anyone else have thoughts regarding the state of the game and gear drops being almost impossible to get?

Drop rates seem in line with coach but the difference is the number of sets. Have run coa between 80 and 100 times now and have yet to get burning spell weave pegs while I've gotten all the other pieces 3+ times. In 2 prison runs and about 10 or so why runs I've managed to get 4 overwhelming pieces (one is head tho) and 1 scathing mage and 2 sheer venom pieces. I know my guild in who I usually run with has about the same and he's only done it like 15-20 times. I really don't get how ring can seemingly vary so much between plagers yet still be consistent over many runs for a particular player.

There could be an RNG seeding issue.

asneakybanana · September 2015

Daveheart wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

A temporary fix until ZOS look into it was to increase the loot from chest drops, which I still think dungeon chests should have more than the district chests considering it's double* the trophies needed and they are bound.
@ZOS_RichLambert any news for the loot drops though?

*2.5x the number of trophies.

Freeman wrote: »

Sounds like you want your gear NOW and then complain there's nothing to do while waiting for the next DLC.

IxskullzxI wrote: »

LOL at people complaining that they don't have all their gear two weeks into the dlc.

I think you've both completely missed the point. At the current rate, someone with the time available to run these dungeons at least 2-3 times per night might not finish gearing their toon before Orsinium drops. It would be nice to have any faith whatsoever that we might have one or two weeks before Orsinium arrives to fully test new gear and get our builds polished before we actually have new leaderboard content.

Also, if the players who've been battling for the top leaderboard spots are having difficult times believing they'll ever fill out their new gear sets, how about the people who can only complete one run of either dungeon a night? What about those who can only do one or two runs a week? For someone like me the rate at which I filled out my Aether/Two-Fanged Snake/Vicious Ophidian sets was perhaps too fast, but I still new several people I was running with at the end of 1.6 who'd still never even completely their Aether sets (collectors I guess). I personally think BoE and a trophy drop rate that would fill a vault unlock with two complete runs would be fine (though that rate would just be exactly the same as Kena or the Warden guaranteeing 1 drop of the new sets).

It's actually blowing my mind you guys are having this much trouble getting the set. As a group were usually seeing 3-4 pieces drop a run. Overwhelming seems to drop all day for my group. However, scathing us a totally different story. Only seen 2 drops of it so far.

Malmai · September 2015

Daveheart wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Don't the pieces also come in varying traits (-.- )? It is such an extreme grind if you want the "good" gear versions.

I think being able to trade items within your group and making the veteran vault room guarantee 3 or 4 pieces of gear would help a lot, especially if you are one of those people who get the piece someone else wants and they get whatever you want. I certainly have that happen to me a lot.

I think the drop rate is the same as the other veteran dungeon set pieces and I mean, how many times have all of us not done those for pledges? I've only been able to complete two of the three sets (those being Ebon and Saviour), plus a few of the weapon sets, none of which are any good, but all require an enourmous amount of A ) Luck with RNG and B ) bucketloads of time.

Some of the new sets are great, but if they don't change the droprates and such, most people will not have a full set for the next 6 months, lol.

I honestly think I had better luck getting drops of Worm Cult, Savior, or Ebon.

Yep martial knowledge vr14 now drops like dog... on every corner but new content gear is hard to get might new dlc come out faster...

rokrdt05 · September 2015

So from what I am reading from many of your comments is that a majority of people are feeling the grind and the drop rates are just not there... yet on the other hand a small group of people have RNG on their side and are getting all the pieces they ever want.

I can honestly say I've grinded these dungeons for roughly 4 hours a day and longer on weekends, have only had (in 2 weeks of doing this) 3 pieces drop for me. I am not asking for the gear right away, but I should feel like I am making progress in obtaining the gear and not wasting my time in the same dungeons over and over.

At the rate this is going, I won't have any complete or near complete sets for when Orisinium is released.

Kas · September 2015

did about 30 runs in vWGT (so far only 1 piece of SPC and that was form trophys).
did 5 runs vPrison, didn't evern see scathing mage.

the crap sets drop decently well though ^^

Shader_Shibes · September 2015

Have a full Imperium set now with nice traits, shame i don't have a tank char anymore

Have 1 or 2 of the overwhelming and spc set, which i need badly. It's like the game knows what role im playing and is dropping anything but what i need xD

Mercurio · September 2015

rokrdt05 wrote: »

When did this become Elder Scrolls Grind Until Your Eyes Bleed?

Right about the time the Cash shop made its way into ESO.

Daveheart · September 2015

On a positive note (if I still had a tank toon), I'm now 40% of the to a set of the jolting plate.

DisgracefulMind · September 2015

finally pulled another spell power cure and overwhelming piece last night...out of 20+ runs in two days they ended up being...well-fitted. I can deal with low drop rates, but not low-drop rates and horrible traits as well :c

rokrdt05 · September 2015

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

finally pulled another spell power cure and overwhelming piece last night...out of 20+ runs in two days they ended up being...well-fitted. I can deal with low drop rates, but not low-drop rates and horrible traits as well :c

See, I would be okay with the low drop rate as well if I knew the pieces came in the perfect trait. THAT I would grind for... but to grind for low drop sets that have random traits? Yeah... not so much.

DisgracefulMind · September 2015

rokrdt05 wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

finally pulled another spell power cure and overwhelming piece last night...out of 20+ runs in two days they ended up being...well-fitted. I can deal with low drop rates, but not low-drop rates and horrible traits as well :c

See, I would be okay with the low drop rate as well if I knew the pieces came in the perfect trait. THAT I would grind for... but to grind for low drop sets that have random traits? Yeah... not so much.

Exactly, it's so discouraging to finally see a piece of the set you've been working hard for and then see it's well-fitted...

rokrdt05 · September 2015

@ZOS_RichLambert - No updates yet? You were quick to take a look into the drop rates, but no updates as to if this will be addressed.

Saturn · September 2015

Daveheart wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Don't the pieces also come in varying traits (-.- )? It is such an extreme grind if you want the "good" gear versions.

I think being able to trade items within your group and making the veteran vault room guarantee 3 or 4 pieces of gear would help a lot, especially if you are one of those people who get the piece someone else wants and they get whatever you want. I certainly have that happen to me a lot.

I think the drop rate is the same as the other veteran dungeon set pieces and I mean, how many times have all of us not done those for pledges? I've only been able to complete two of the three sets (those being Ebon and Saviour), plus a few of the weapon sets, none of which are any good, but all require an enourmous amount of A ) Luck with RNG and B ) bucketloads of time.

Some of the new sets are great, but if they don't change the droprates and such, most people will not have a full set for the next 6 months, lol.

I honestly think I had better luck getting drops of Worm Cult, Savior, or Ebon.

It probably seems like that, but you also have to consider that some places like Elden Hollows and such can be speedrun in 12 minutes and have more bosses than WGT, whereas WGT for comparison can be speedrun in 35-40 minutes, with only 4 bosses. Of course Tower and Prison are similar to veteran City of Ash in the sense that gear drops from the trash mobs, but it is very ineffective to kill all the trash on veteran seeing how *** long it takes <.<

hedna123b14_ESO · September 2015

Addihul wrote: »

Yea I absolutely agree here. The guys I know who have the new sets have literally spent their lives farming in there. Even upping the drop rates on the chests aren't cutting it. At this point with so many new sets, each boss should guarantee a drop every time. I play a lot but I can't imagine getting every piece of the sets I want for many months. As you said, there is just way too many things in game I want to do other than camping WGT 24/7.

Trial end bosses drop a piece every time, including a once a week coffer. But that was only for 3 sets. With even more sets out this patch, we need to guarantee drops per boss or possibly 2 on the final bosses. Anyone even remotely casual will never get a full set of v16.. and as in never I literally mean never. Good thoughts here

i want at least a single set item from each run...i have thus far cleared it 5 times and wiped once and got zero items...

rokrdt05 · September 2015

Saturn wrote: »

Daveheart wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Don't the pieces also come in varying traits (-.- )? It is such an extreme grind if you want the "good" gear versions.

I think being able to trade items within your group and making the veteran vault room guarantee 3 or 4 pieces of gear would help a lot, especially if you are one of those people who get the piece someone else wants and they get whatever you want. I certainly have that happen to me a lot.

I think the drop rate is the same as the other veteran dungeon set pieces and I mean, how many times have all of us not done those for pledges? I've only been able to complete two of the three sets (those being Ebon and Saviour), plus a few of the weapon sets, none of which are any good, but all require an enourmous amount of A ) Luck with RNG and B ) bucketloads of time.

Some of the new sets are great, but if they don't change the droprates and such, most people will not have a full set for the next 6 months, lol.

I honestly think I had better luck getting drops of Worm Cult, Savior, or Ebon.

It probably seems like that, but you also have to consider that some places like Elden Hollows and such can be speedrun in 12 minutes and have more bosses than WGT, whereas WGT for comparison can be speedrun in 35-40 minutes, with only 4 bosses. Of course Tower and Prison are similar to veteran City of Ash in the sense that gear drops from the trash mobs, but it is very ineffective to kill all the trash on veteran seeing how *** long it takes <.<

I would honestly have to disagree. With those sets (Worm Cult, Ebon, Savior, Burning) I can usually get 1 per run or every other run. With WGT/Prison I could go 10 runs in a row (entire instance) and not get 1 single drop of new gear other than the trash gear. Add that on the difficulty of the dungeons and the randomized traits on the gear and you are looking at an unnecessarily long grind.

To put it mildly, I would be okay with the low drop rates if I knew the traits would be the best ones. That way I knew I was making progress with my gear. Right now, I'm RARELY getting gear and when I do it's a HORRIBLE trait. I have yet to get any decent trait.

Daveheart · September 2015

I've had a few more runs since last night (including farming the first two bosses for a while), and got 1 piece of overwhelming (well-fitted pants). I did get a couple pieces of the jolting tank set. Our tank had the best luck with caster gear.

Daveheart · September 2015

Oh yeah, and the big winner from my last vault opened. 2 Well-fitted bracers of the Essence Thief.

rokrdt05 · September 2015

Yeah, I just did my 6th run tonight and finally got 1 piece... Overwhelming Shoulders Infused. After 6 runs... 1 drop. This is silly.

player_klaus · September 2015

.de/eu player here. (sry for my bad english)

since ic release i have opened 8 trophy vaults (4 in both IP/WGT).
this weekend i have farmed the instances exessive with my guild/friends

we had 3 IP-runs in a row with no drop at all for the whole crew!

-on the 4th run our tank got the scathing hat off a deaedra-rat (zenilol?!) but not a single tank-drop so far. (well, hes not too interested in the sets)

-another run i got leeching-boots from the first AND last boss + another pair in the vault (all in all i have had 5 of theese)

-our other dps/heal got 1 item (scathing belt divine) from all the runs we did.

-one of our guildmates has more runs than 2 of us 8-vault openers together.

HE HAS NOT FOUND A SINGLE ITEM HE CAN USE YET!

-from the trophy vaults i only got stamina-dps and tank gear. (i play magica-dps/healer)
14 set-items i can not use at all. not trade. not change/merge for tokens.

-the healer/caster-dps items i was lucky to get were well-fitted or reinforced. lol. hat and shoulders mostly. lol.

i have gotten one item im happy about since we started farming the dungeons. molag kena hat infused.

but this only motivated me until today. i want to see some kind of progress on my gear. if you run theese dungeons over and over and just nothing happens... not ony for you... but your whole crew.

this is soo disapointing.

@ZOS_RichLambert

please do something and keep us informed.

my crew was so sad and silence after our last run saturday night. i fear they will break away. i know im in a lucky position to run and clear the dungeons at all. im really scared this luck wont stay any longer if all my friends and me get out of theese dungeons is frustration and dissapointment.

Nikkor · September 2015

IxskullzxI wrote: »

LOL at people complaining that they don't have all their gear two weeks into the dlc.

I for one am not complaining about not having all my gear.

I am ready to start complaining about the radical difference in gold key drops.

since the update I have played a lot. I have gotten zero shoulders from gold keys.

most gold keys are providing me with about 78 gold, one grand soul gem and one green or purple non set if I am lucky.

Gold keys used to give a lot more all the time and more often than not give monster shoulders. Drops in the vet dungeons are currently awful.

Scyantific · September 2015

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Trials has become obsolete, and I feel like I should just make a long term PvP set with easier to get gear and just PvP.

Bingo. You just solved the riddle.

lathbury · September 2015

10 runs in got spell power boots ...... well fitted FML.

rokrdt05 · September 2015

lathbury wrote: »

10 runs in got spell power boots ...... well fitted FML.

^THIS.

This is my entire time in there... X amount of runs... get piece of gear... really bad trait. Why would they even put those awful traits in the loot table?

Dymence · September 2015

asneakybanana wrote: »

Daveheart wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

A temporary fix until ZOS look into it was to increase the loot from chest drops, which I still think dungeon chests should have more than the district chests considering it's double* the trophies needed and they are bound.
@ZOS_RichLambert any news for the loot drops though?

*2.5x the number of trophies.

Freeman wrote: »

Sounds like you want your gear NOW and then complain there's nothing to do while waiting for the next DLC.

IxskullzxI wrote: »

LOL at people complaining that they don't have all their gear two weeks into the dlc.

I think you've both completely missed the point. At the current rate, someone with the time available to run these dungeons at least 2-3 times per night might not finish gearing their toon before Orsinium drops. It would be nice to have any faith whatsoever that we might have one or two weeks before Orsinium arrives to fully test new gear and get our builds polished before we actually have new leaderboard content.

Also, if the players who've been battling for the top leaderboard spots are having difficult times believing they'll ever fill out their new gear sets, how about the people who can only complete one run of either dungeon a night? What about those who can only do one or two runs a week? For someone like me the rate at which I filled out my Aether/Two-Fanged Snake/Vicious Ophidian sets was perhaps too fast, but I still new several people I was running with at the end of 1.6 who'd still never even completely their Aether sets (collectors I guess). I personally think BoE and a trophy drop rate that would fill a vault unlock with two complete runs would be fine (though that rate would just be exactly the same as Kena or the Warden guaranteeing 1 drop of the new sets).

It's actually blowing my mind you guys are having this much trouble getting the set. As a group were usually seeing 3-4 pieces drop a run. Overwhelming seems to drop all day for my group. However, scathing us a totally different story. Only seen 2 drops of it so far.

RNG is RNG. We've run white gold tower close to 60 times now with our group, and our healer has only one piece of it.

Joy_Division · September 2015

Just don't bother. You are wasting your time. Well, if ESO had Trials and people actually PvPed, you'd be wasting your time. You get my point.

You honestly think this is a bug? That ZoS will reconsider?

You remember thia from City of Ash?

Remember how desperate you DKs were to get a hold of the and test it out? Desperate enough to PuG it up and suffer all those wipefests at the hands of the Ash Titan. I got my 5 pieces the last week of February 2015. One week before the 1.6 patch. One week before the Giant Zenimax Nerfhammer, which nobody asked for by the way, smited this set to uselessness: instantly rendered obsolete, never again to be used against the likes of Martial Knowledge and its little cousins Torug's, Worm Cult, Adroitness, et al.

You think this is isolated? Did you wear Infallible Aether in 1.6? Vicious Ophedia? You see what they did to Archmage? Did you notice the other nerf to Valkyn Skoira, it never procs now? How about all those stam builds tossing away their PvP sets and desperately buying Monstrous Teeth for Robust Agility rings?

This grind is ridiculous. Zos, have you taken a look at Cyrodiil lately? You know that zone that is dedicated to PvP? There is no PvP going on! How ironic considering this update was dedicated to PvP...

G0ku · September 2015

RNG is not installed. If one of our standard 4 man group is not available we take a substitute with us, always the same guy.

We took him through WGT, his first kill -> Molag Kena Helmet medium reinforced ( he is a Stamina NB DD)

Yesterday we did Vet CoA with him -> Valkyn Skoria Helmet medium infused

He literally gets an item on every single run we do with him, while the rest gets nothing at all.

Our standard team did 2 runs in a row yesterday with not a single drop for any of us. Trophy vaults are an utter joke, by now every single time I went in there one of the parts were the bracers of the essence thief and a piece of heavy armor.

Can´t complete any of the sets because all I get is always the same parts. I want to play my main char but as this one is an absolutely loot-loser I will start testing my other chars. I don´t know how they calculate their rng but the way they do it is terrible.

Even worse is the fact that there is more than one rng involved. Slowly but surely this puts me off the game.

tino.antoninieb17_ESO · September 2015

I did in total more than 40 runs in wgt . So far i got 6 pieces spell cure , molag kena hat and 5 x overwhelming shoes

In comparison to other party members i am totally lucky guy.
In 40 runs i saw Molag kena dropping just once ( to me

)) . Drop rates are really really low and should be increased as soon as possible. Unfortunately i haven't saw any comments from ZOS going in that direction .

rokrdt05 · September 2015

tino.antoninieb17_ESO wrote: »

I did in total more than 40 runs in wgt . So far i got 6 pieces spell cure , molag kena hat and 5 x overwhelming shoes In comparison to other party members i am totally lucky guy.
In 40 runs i saw Molag kena dropping just once ( to me )) . Drop rates are really really low and should be increased as soon as possible. Unfortunately i haven't saw any comments from ZOS going in that direction .

They made a mention in another thread (I do not have the link) that they were looking at existing drop rates and seeing if it did require an increase. There as been no mention from @ZOS_RichLambert as far as an update.