Are you happy with the state of Templar right now?

cazlonb16_ESO · September 2015

zornyan wrote: »

My magika templar is extremely good in pvp in 1.6, and most seemed to suggest 1.7 they do even better. People get too pre occupied on min/maxing and builds blah blah.[...]

Basically I pop vigor/rally, and go into my routine which is

Crit rush
Javelin
Crit rush
Wrecking blow/sweeps depending on if I need more dps or a bonus heal..

You do realize all of those minus Sweeps and Javelin are stamina skills, right ?

Kas · September 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

DarthSeverus394 wrote: »

Eclipse only reflects single target SPELLS, not skills. So aoe or stam skills arent effect. Its a sorcs worst nightmare if theyre too stupid to counter it. All assuming it works right.

I wonder, does Eclipse reflect Lava Whip?

yes.

@topic: I'm happy )

Ashamray · September 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

DarthSeverus394 wrote: »

Eclipse only reflects single target SPELLS, not skills. So aoe or stam skills arent effect. Its a sorcs worst nightmare if theyre too stupid to counter it. All assuming it works right.

I wonder, does Eclipse reflect Lava Whip?

It does.

tplink3r1 · September 2015

BugCollector wrote: »

DarthSeverus394 wrote: »

Eclipse only reflects single target SPELLS, not skills. So aoe or stam skills arent effect. Its a sorcs worst nightmare if theyre too stupid to counter it. All assuming it works right.

I wonder, does Eclipse reflect Lava Whip?

It does, and most DKs don't know about that.

Francis_Toliver · September 2015

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

My magika templar is extremely good in pvp in 1.6, and most seemed to suggest 1.7 they do even better. People get too pre occupied on min/maxing and builds blah blah.[...]

Basically I pop vigor/rally, and go into my routine which is

Crit rush
Javelin
Crit rush
Wrecking blow/sweeps depending on if I need more dps or a bonus heal..

You do realize all of those minus Sweeps and Javelin are stamina skills, right ?

And how are you getting any power using a bunch of stamina skills with all you attributes in magika? Also, you listed 5 skills on your 2h bar, none of which were wrecking blow and then stated that wrecking blow was part of your routine. What skill do you replace on your bar in order to use wrecking blow?

Doesn't make much sense.

pkb16_ESO2 · September 2015

zornyan wrote: »

My magika templar is extremely good in pvp in 1.6, and most seemed to suggest 1.7 they do even better. People get too pre occupied on min/maxing and builds blah blah.

But my basic variations.

Imperial, 5 heavy/2 light.

All attributes into magika, bar 10 in health.

Bar 1 sword and board.

Pierce armor
Heroic slash
Defensive posture
Rushed ceremony
Lingering ritual

Rememberance.

Bar 2 2 handed

Puncturing sweeps
Aurora javelin
Critical rush
Vigor
Rally

Empowering sweep.

Basically I pop vigor/rally, and go into my routine which is

Crit rush
Javelin
Crit rush
Wrecking blow/sweeps depending on if I need more dps or a bonus heal.

Then repeat. Most targets die quickly, anyone that tries to 1vx me I just focus the same routine, and swap to sword and board bar for defence whilst using a few heals, then swap back to dps.

Hasn't failed me yet, pve I've literially done the enite game with just puncturing sweeps.

Pvp it leaves me fairly high ranked in the leaderboards on a regular basis.I rarely die, gankers rarely kill me.

Wow must be one of the worst builds ever... hope you play in my campaign on opponents side

SneaK · September 2015

Repentance was bugged for me last night after the patch, on xbox. So, no I am not happy with the current state of my magicka Templar. Without Repentance it's really hard for me to manage my stamina (I don't have a billion CP's).

DarthSeverus394 · September 2015

General rule of thumb in 1vX cyrodil, pop eclipse on anyone and everyone. Ya never know.

Reverb · September 2015

DarthSeverus394 wrote: »

General rule of thumb in 1vX cyrodil, pop eclipse on anyone and everyone. Ya never know.

Thanks to the newest nerf you can only have one active Eclipse at a time. You need a new rule of thumb.

zornyan · September 2015

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

My magika templar is extremely good in pvp in 1.6, and most seemed to suggest 1.7 they do even better. People get too pre occupied on min/maxing and builds blah blah.[...]

Basically I pop vigor/rally, and go into my routine which is

Crit rush
Javelin
Crit rush
Wrecking blow/sweeps depending on if I need more dps or a bonus heal..

You do realize all of those minus Sweeps and Javelin are stamina skills, right ?

Yes I do, I swap between using stam/magika pools and skills, imperial passives.mean I have stam/hp bonuses. I used to have purifying instead of vigor, have just been testing it out.

I prefer this build to my all out stam/magika builds as using both pools means I've got a backup skill incase someone tries to spam cc/snare me etc.

zornyan · September 2015

Francis_Toliver wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

My magika templar is extremely good in pvp in 1.6, and most seemed to suggest 1.7 they do even better. People get too pre occupied on min/maxing and builds blah blah.[...]

Basically I pop vigor/rally, and go into my routine which is

Crit rush
Javelin
Crit rush
Wrecking blow/sweeps depending on if I need more dps or a bonus heal..

You do realize all of those minus Sweeps and Javelin are stamina skills, right ?

And how are you getting any power using a bunch of stamina skills with all you attributes in magika? Also, you listed 5 skills on your 2h bar, none of which were wrecking blow and then stated that wrecking blow was part of your routine. What skill do you replace on your bar in order to use wrecking blow?

Doesn't make much sense.

Wrecking blow gets swapped with puncturing sweeps? Hence the / it depends on if I'm 1vx or 1v1 and generally what I'm doing at that point in time.

I use stam based skills aswell since imperial passives give m a large hp/stam bonus, and melee hits proc the racial heal.

zornyan · September 2015

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

My magika templar is extremely good in pvp in 1.6, and most seemed to suggest 1.7 they do even better. People get too pre occupied on min/maxing and builds blah blah.

But my basic variations.

Imperial, 5 heavy/2 light.

All attributes into magika, bar 10 in health.

Bar 1 sword and board.

Pierce armor
Heroic slash
Defensive posture
Rushed ceremony
Lingering ritual

Rememberance.

Bar 2 2 handed

Puncturing sweeps
Aurora javelin
Critical rush
Vigor
Rally

Empowering sweep.

Basically I pop vigor/rally, and go into my routine which is

Crit rush
Javelin
Crit rush
Wrecking blow/sweeps depending on if I need more dps or a bonus heal.

Then repeat. Most targets die quickly, anyone that tries to 1vx me I just focus the same routine, and swap to sword and board bar for defence whilst using a few heals, then swap back to dps.

Hasn't failed me yet, pve I've literially done the enite game with just puncturing sweeps.

Pvp it leaves me fairly high ranked in the leaderboards on a regular basis.I rarely die, gankers rarely kill me.

Wow must be one of the worst builds ever... hope you play in my campaign on opponents side

Wow another rude moron on these forums.

If its so bad I wonder why I consistently finish top 10 in the leaderboards....

Reverb · September 2015

zornyan wrote: »

pkb16_ESO2 wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

My magika templar is extremely good in pvp in 1.6, and most seemed to suggest 1.7 they do even better. People get too pre occupied on min/maxing and builds blah blah.

But my basic variations.

Imperial, 5 heavy/2 light.

All attributes into magika, bar 10 in health.

Bar 1 sword and board.

Pierce armor
Heroic slash
Defensive posture
Rushed ceremony
Lingering ritual

Rememberance.

Bar 2 2 handed

Puncturing sweeps
Aurora javelin
Critical rush
Vigor
Rally

Empowering sweep.

Basically I pop vigor/rally, and go into my routine which is

Crit rush
Javelin
Crit rush
Wrecking blow/sweeps depending on if I need more dps or a bonus heal.

Then repeat. Most targets die quickly, anyone that tries to 1vx me I just focus the same routine, and swap to sword and board bar for defence whilst using a few heals, then swap back to dps.

Hasn't failed me yet, pve I've literially done the enite game with just puncturing sweeps.

Pvp it leaves me fairly high ranked in the leaderboards on a regular basis.I rarely die, gankers rarely kill me.

Wow must be one of the worst builds ever... hope you play in my campaign on opponents side

Wow another rude moron on these forums.

If its so bad I wonder why I consistently finish top 10 in the leaderboards....

Maybe because you're good, maybe because you play a lot more than most people in your campaign, who knows. I agree that the cmoments about your build being one of the worst ever were rude and havy handed, but I promise he wasn't the only one who gave your post the side eye. You listed a bunch of stamina skills as evidence of a strong magicka Templar.

BugCollector · September 2015

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Maybe because you're good, maybe because you play a lot more than most people in your campaign, who knows. I agree that the cmoments about your build being one of the worst ever were rude and havy handed, but I promise he wasn't the only one who gave your post the side eye. You listed a bunch of stamina skills as evidence of a strong magicka Templar. [/quote]

Exactly

zornyan · September 2015

It's not a min/max magika build, I have a Redguard stamplar too, but it uses more magika skills than any of my other 4-5 characters. And takes advantage of the imperial passives to have both a a large stam and magika pool.

For me, puncturing sweeps is one of the best dps magika moves we have, as along side rally/vigor and other heal over times. Your health bar never drops. It also offers respectable damage.

I haven't used radiant destruction much yet, but I'm trying to find a place in my rotations/bars to use it.

kojou · September 2015

I'm quite happy with my Magicka Templar.

I run dual swords and my skills typically consist of toppling charge, purifying light, puncturing sweeps, then i rotate in BOL, entropy, dampen magic, and mage light depending on the situation and how many people I am running with.

I am also slotting blazing spear and vampires bane on my back bar with my resto staff if I am in a more ranged fight, although blazing spear is a very effective stun/dot so I will sometimes throw it out in a melee fight too.

All in all I have been enjoying my Templar in IC.

BugCollector · September 2015

sigh

timidobserver · September 2015

zornyan wrote: »

It's not a min/max magika build, I have a Redguard stamplar too, but it uses more magika skills than any of my other 4-5 characters. And takes advantage of the imperial passives to have both a a large stam and magika pool.

For me, puncturing sweeps is one of the best dps magika moves we have, as along side rally/vigor and other heal over times. Your health bar never drops. It also offers respectable damage.

I haven't used radiant destruction much yet, but I'm trying to find a place in my rotations/bars to use it.

Not min/max does not quite cover it. Outside of running with a zerg, I have no idea how you can be successful with that build.

BugCollector · September 2015

I am getting so tired. All these numerous threads I have made, and all these comments about the Templar and still no answer from Zenimax...

@ZOS_GinaBruno

FireCowCommando · September 2015

At this moment? Not in the slightest, I only just started to experience templar in IC and my god, what did they do...

Sure there are plenty of viable builds that are out there, nearly all of them revolve around

Biting jabs, Biting jabs, Biting jabs, Biting jabs, Biting jabs, Biting jabs, Biting jabs, ect.

I dont understand how the team in charge of class balance can let one be so pigeon holed. Can i please have other viable abilities? Good god.

driosketch · September 2015

DarthSeverus394 wrote: »

Eclipse only reflects single target SPELLS, not skills. So aoe or stam skills arent effect. Its a sorcs worst nightmare if theyre too stupid to counter it. All assuming it works right.

Has anyone noticed if you are able to cast eclispe versus an enemy with immunity up? I'm not saying you can eclispe those who are immune, but that a failed cast is still costing your magicka. (I feel like before your would get the error bonk that canceled the cast if you tried.) Dealing with groups now, which they gave both morphs an explosion for, is now wasting magic on each miss target. (As is hitting the wrong target even when they aren't immune since you can only have 1 up at a time now.)

timidobserver · September 2015

driosketch wrote: »

DarthSeverus394 wrote: »

Eclipse only reflects single target SPELLS, not skills. So aoe or stam skills arent effect. Its a sorcs worst nightmare if theyre too stupid to counter it. All assuming it works right.

Has anyone noticed if you are able to cast eclispe versus an enemy with immunity up? I'm not saying you can eclispe those who are immune, but that a failed cast is still costing your magicka. (I feel like before your would get the error bonk that canceled the cast if you tried.) Dealing with groups now, which they gave both morphs an explosion for, is now wasting magic on each miss target. (As is hitting the wrong target even when they aren't immune since you can only have 1 up at a time now.)

The time bomb still applies. The reflect does not.

Asmael · September 2015

I have tried a stamplar.

Seriously, it's all about *buff up* -> charge -> jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs -> *buff up* -> jabs jabs *opponent tries to flee* -> charge -> jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs -> Executioner.

To prevent unrecoverable brain damage, I deleted him.

Just pick Rally / Biting Jabs / Executioner / Vigor / [Crit rush / Toppling charge] and you got your build. Nothing else needed.

I'll stick to magicka templar, thank you very much...

zornyan · September 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

It's not a min/max magika build, I have a Redguard stamplar too, but it uses more magika skills than any of my other 4-5 characters. And takes advantage of the imperial passives to have both a a large stam and magika pool.

For me, puncturing sweeps is one of the best dps magika moves we have, as along side rally/vigor and other heal over times. Your health bar never drops. It also offers respectable damage.

I haven't used radiant destruction much yet, but I'm trying to find a place in my rotations/bars to use it.

Not min/max does not quite cover it. Outside of running with a zerg, I have no idea how you can be successful with that build.

Pretty simple, I debuff with sword and board skills, (and dark flare if it's on my bar) and then use rally and puncturing sweeps heals to keep me at full health. I've managed to tank and kill 5 players at once, 1v1 I have plenty of resources and anyone struggles to kill me, and when grouped I switch a few skills out for heals.

Not rocket science, just because it's not a flavour of the month build doesn't mean it won't work.

tplink3r1 · September 2015

zornyan wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

It's not a min/max magika build, I have a Redguard stamplar too, but it uses more magika skills than any of my other 4-5 characters. And takes advantage of the imperial passives to have both a a large stam and magika pool.

For me, puncturing sweeps is one of the best dps magika moves we have, as along side rally/vigor and other heal over times. Your health bar never drops. It also offers respectable damage.

I haven't used radiant destruction much yet, but I'm trying to find a place in my rotations/bars to use it.

Not min/max does not quite cover it. Outside of running with a zerg, I have no idea how you can be successful with that build.

Pretty simple, I debuff with sword and board skills, (and dark flare if it's on my bar) and then use rally and puncturing sweeps heals to keep me at full health. I've managed to tank and kill 5 players at once, 1v1 I have plenty of resources and anyone struggles to kill me, and when grouped I switch a few skills out for heals.

Not rocket science, just because it's not a flavour of the month build doesn't mean it won't work.

Heres the thing: You don't have damage with that build.

twistedmonk · October 2015

Asmael wrote: »

I have tried a stamplar.

Seriously, it's all about *buff up* -> charge -> jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs -> *buff up* -> jabs jabs *opponent tries to flee* -> charge -> jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs jabs -> Executioner.

To prevent unrecoverable brain damage, I deleted him.

Just pick Rally / Biting Jabs / Executioner / Vigor / [Crit rush / Toppling charge] and you got your build. Nothing else needed.

to be honest, you just described all stamina builds - just substitute jabs with another spammable like wrecking blow or surprise attack.

you forgot to add meteor to your rotation...

but really, having a snare would certainly help with them moving out of jab range. but that's maybe just for duels...

The current meta, magic builds have more utility than stamina builds for all classes.

DarthSeverus394 · October 2015

^agreed. Stam builds dont vary since the skills they use are open to all, mostly. Wrecking blow crit rush executioner vigor rally is best stam build in the game. Stamplars have slight advantage with Repentence, a free health and stam heal as long as theres bodies.

twistedmonk · October 2015

the thing templars lack is an escape ability like cloak or bolt escape.

nightblade : dodge roll once or twice => cloak
sorceror: bolt escape once or twice.

stamina DKs and templars...

just have to stand there and take it.

and also, DKs and templars don't have a class ability to give them major expedition (nightblades - double take, sorceror - thundering presence).

although less of an issue with dual wield quick cloak, but that does force you to use dual wield/2-hander.

but honestly, all the classes are starting to feel the same now...its all about 2-hander and/or spamming steel tornado. thats the current stamina meta.

EliteGunner_PSN · October 2015

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Heres the thing: You don't have damage with that build.

Not commenting on his build specifically, but I've found that you don't need to have 3600 weapon/spell damage in order to kill someone. If sweeps keeps him alive and he can maintain it longer than the other guy, then he wins.

Merely running them slowly out of resources while maintaining your own a lot better is a perfectly good way of killing someone. Maybe not the fastest, but it's still effective.

Kas · October 2015

I have played my templar quite a bit and I have no made the decision to stop playing him solo with the next patch (would now but the alternative char will better be geared after 2.2.). I will still play him in groups.

My primary concern isn't even that the class would need a buff, it's the playstlye that works. It requires so little "skill" in comparison - or at least you cannot make use of all the cute things:

la-skill-bash cancelling?
well, a templar might as well spam sweeps.

interrupt key enemy skills?
nah, you're the one who spams strong but interruptable skills, that interrupt fun is for the others.

react when in danger? fall back (to a shadow image, in stealth, blink)?
nah, just swap to your defensive stuff and press the skill buttons (for some builds this means spam BoL). if you want to be cute, run around obstacles... oh, or swap mistform and get exactly what the skill gives you (targetting changed through patches) and very little from HOW you use it (like cloak, streak or even a maneuver).

find the sweet spot to use healing ward for max efficiency and no too much danger?
well, just spam BoL / HtD... (I play with healing ward when solo but that puts you into a very specific role)

dodge stuff with a well-timed cloak?
at least you can do that with reflects IF you play s+b on a bar.

time your skills to create a huge burst?
well, you can do it but as a sorc the burst is just higher. instead your delayed-damage skills all have secondary effects (e.g. eclipse). they aren't bad but it doesn't really matter when you cast them.

play stamina to be very similar to other stam classes?
you can be strong but let's be honest. a stam dk will be better and a stam nb even better still.

try to do what you do with betetr timing and movement?
i already do that. duelling a stamina class means i pop major expedition + unstoppable pots on colldown and try to outmove them. maybe i add tangling webs or stampede to hit my sweeps well. still, it is 90% mindless spamming of sweeps.

tl;dr
I don't think I can complain about the templars strength. people that can beat me 1v1 just play better. however, there is much less to do better as a templar.