Are you happy with the state of Templar right now?

BugCollector

Zenimax, are you really happy with how Templars can be competitive with other classes in PvP right now? Myself and many other people have expressed our desire for some skills that need a buff. There was a thread concerning this on the PTS forum with over 16k views, yet not a single one of your employees have responded. You just keep on ignoring us.

Tandor

Perhaps if you posted this on the PvP Combat and Skills board the right people might read it. ZOS tend not to get involved directly in such discussions, but they do follow them.

Meanwhile I'll just make my usual plea that any changes required for PvP - whether nerfs or buffs - should generally be kept to PvP and not used to mess up the PvE unnecessarily!

Reverb

I'm happy now.

I really struggled to find a magicka-Templar build that worked for me in 2.1. Both on PTS and in live I was consistently frustrated by my borderline ineffectiveness at both healing and dealing damage in Cyro/IC. I was about to abandon one of the characters I'd been playing since early launch because of it.

Instead I respecced both attributes and CP for stamina, and joined the ranks of Wrecking Blow/Biting Jabs spammers. I love this build and am having a blast both in PVE and PVP. And I've never gotten so many hate tells, so I must be doing something right

My PVE guild isn't happy to have lost one of their go-to healers, but not my problem. Don't hate me, thank Zeni.

BugCollector

Reverb wrote: »

I'm happy now.

I really struggled to find a magicka-Templar build that worked for me in 2.1. Both on PTS and in live I was consistently frustrated by my borderline ineffectiveness at both healing and dealing damage in Cyro/IC. I was about to abandon one of the characters I'd been playing since early launch because of it.

Instead I respecced both attributes and CP for stamina, and joined the ranks of Wrecking Blow/Biting Jabs spammers. I love this build and am having a blast both in PVE and PVP. And I've never gotten so many hate tells, so I must be doing something right

My PVE guild isn't happy to have lost one of their go-to healers, but not my problem. Don't hate me, thank Zeni.

Yes, exactly what I meant. I was ofcourse talking about the Magicka Templar. Stamplars are fine.

Flameheart

Come to PvE and heal VR16 gold dungeons. You will "love" how you are needed there :-)

Reverb

Flameheart wrote: »

Come to PvE and heal VR16 gold dungeons. You will "love" how you are needed there :-)

Nobody is questioning the effectiveness of Tempar as a PVE heal+buff bot. But that build doesn't translate to pvp anymore. At all. There are a few people that will make it work, but for most, it means keeping your healer for dungeons and using a different toon for pvp.

Who wants to play a game where all you do is heal dungeons over and over again.

BugCollector

Flameheart wrote: »

Come to PvE and heal VR16 gold dungeons. You will "love" how you are needed there :-)

I PvE too, but I still feel the MAGICKA (I can't say this too much) Templar lacks behind in PvP.

We have no AOE CC, no Escape, no mobility and too many channeled skills. Also, our Jabs suck in comparison to the Stamina Jabs.

Tandor

Reverb wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Come to PvE and heal VR16 gold dungeons. You will "love" how you are needed there :-)

Nobody is questioning the effectiveness of Tempar as a PVE heal+buff bot. But that build doesn't translate to pvp anymore. At all. There are a few people that will make it work, but for most, it means keeping your healer for dungeons and using a different toon for pvp.

Who wants to play a game where all you do is heal dungeons over and over again.

Healers?

Seriously, MMOs are full of players who have clerics, priests, etc whose job is to heal in group dungeons and raids, it's all they do and they love doing it. If ZOS created such a pure healing class in ESO there'd be no shortage of such characters rolled up. I'm willing to bet they'd find their place in PvP too, but then again there are MMOs where it's perfectly normal for players to run separate characters or builds for PvP and PvE.

tplink3r1

No, i want an AOE CC a an Ultimate worth using in PVP.

leroit

Yes, Templars have too many channeled skills, no aoe cc and no escapes and mobility. Please listen to us for once!
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Reverb

Tandor wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Come to PvE and heal VR16 gold dungeons. You will "love" how you are needed there :-)

Nobody is questioning the effectiveness of Tempar as a PVE heal+buff bot. But that build doesn't translate to pvp anymore. At all. There are a few people that will make it work, but for most, it means keeping your healer for dungeons and using a different toon for pvp.

Who wants to play a game where all you do is heal dungeons over and over again.

Healers?

Seriously, MMOs are full of players who have clerics, priests, etc whose job is to heal in group dungeons and raids, it's all they do and they love doing it. If ZOS created such a pure healing class in ESO there'd be no shortage of such characters rolled up. I'm willing to bet they'd find their place in PvP too, but then again there are MMOs where it's perfectly normal for players to run separate characters or builds for PvP and PvE.

Agreed, but in ESO that means restricting yourself to a relatively small percentage of the content, and running the same handful of instances over and over again. Its a limitation that I've never encountered as a healer in other game, that was my point. The end game "congratulations" for a magicka Templar is being ineffective in most of the game in 2.1. Healbot or GTFO is a state that clearly a lot of people are unhappy with.

Kupoking

Moarh powerrrrr

Truewavesound

Played right, Magicka Templar wrecks face in pvp this patch. Perhaps work at finding a build that works/works for you, if you truly want to be a Magicka Templar.

(I have both a stam and a Magicka Templar and love them both, although Magicka is most fun/op with the builds i run )

BugCollector

Truewavesound wrote: »

Played right, Magicka Templar wrecks face in pvp this patch. Perhaps work at finding a build that works/works for you, if you truly want to be a Magicka Templar.

(I have both a stam and a Magicka Templar and love them both, although Magicka is most fun/op with the builds i run )

No, they do not 'wreck' face. Tell me about your build and I will tell you what's wrong with your chosen skills.

Kupoking

BugCollector wrote: »

Truewavesound wrote: »

Played right, Magicka Templar wrecks face in pvp this patch. Perhaps work at finding a build that works/works for you, if you truly want to be a Magicka Templar.

(I have both a stam and a Magicka Templar and love them both, although Magicka is most fun/op with the builds i run )

No, they do not 'wreck' face. Tell me about your build and I will tell you what's wrong with your chosen skills.

its easy to play monday morning quarterback

Truewavesound

BugCollector wrote: »

Truewavesound wrote: »

Played right, Magicka Templar wrecks face in pvp this patch. Perhaps work at finding a build that works/works for you, if you truly want to be a Magicka Templar.

(I have both a stam and a Magicka Templar and love them both, although Magicka is most fun/op with the builds i run )

No, they do not 'wreck' face. Tell me about your build and I will tell you what's wrong with your chosen skills.

Ah ha ha, umadbro?

Attitude like that's gonna get you a lot of help. Why would anyone want to share their build with you when you speak to them like that? Tee hee, how funny.

Mr_Nobody

There is many different ways to play a Templar, especially magicka wise. All are different and super strong at what they do.

Lava_Croft

I'd buff Templars some more, some of them still die.

Akinos

Some stamplars can damn near kill me with one cast of jabs, but i can't do the same to them because they can stack hardy and think skinned.

Something is wrong when you get hit by a whole raid of players and none of them are doing any real damage to you until the stamplar shows up and 1 shots you. 5 times in a row.


There needs to be another physical migration passive in the CP tree.

DarthSeverus394

http://www.sypherpk.com/templar-magicka-pvp-build/
I run mutagen and healing ward on heal bar. Bol and purify a must in pvp. Entropy. Barrier/rememberance. Resto heavy hit for resource maintain. Dont like prox det on my heal bar.
Same dps bar only I swap repentence for blazing shield. Little bit sturdier.
This is the closest ive come to being a useful magic templar in pvp. Sorcs and nbs run this game. Dks a strong third but third nonetheless. Temps are way behind. If we are put down because we have the only dedicated healing line, then it should be crazy potent to make up for the rest. Nightblades cloak endlessly and gone forever. Sorcs bolt and shield stack and are good. Dks reflect for days. Templar? S*** son you better bring a buddy or spam heals for 5 seconds til your magic runs out and youre dead. Ward ally is my lifesaver. Why? Constantly getting whooped and its effective more at low health. Templars are seriously lacking. Too many channeled and easily countered skills. No escape. No mobility. No aoe cc.

Soris

I actually like my magicka templar's situation in this update. It is definitely better than 1.6. But I still miss the old days when I had Blazing Shield and Blinding Flashes.

But I must admit, in this update, my strength comes from spamming jabs and BoL and that's the most boring thing imo. But it is effective as ***. And I hate that.

Alucardo

I too changed mine into Stamina, as many others have. Magicka templars overall felt weak and without variation. Kick off a DoT with vampires bane (mostly because snares are op now), jabs, jabs, jabs, jabs, jabs, radiant destruction.
I know people complain about jabs, but magicka templars don't have much else

Digiman

BugCollector wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

I'm happy now.

I really struggled to find a magicka-Templar build that worked for me in 2.1. Both on PTS and in live I was consistently frustrated by my borderline ineffectiveness at both healing and dealing damage in Cyro/IC. I was about to abandon one of the characters I'd been playing since early launch because of it.

Instead I respecced both attributes and CP for stamina, and joined the ranks of Wrecking Blow/Biting Jabs spammers. I love this build and am having a blast both in PVE and PVP. And I've never gotten so many hate tells, so I must be doing something right

My PVE guild isn't happy to have lost one of their go-to healers, but not my problem. Don't hate me, thank Zeni.

Yes, exactly what I meant. I was ofcourse talking about the Magicka Templar. Stamplars are fine.

Haven't you heard? ZoS Eric Wrobel is trying to breed out magicka DPS builds in favor of Stamina because it's easier for him.

Look what he did to Light Armor? Forcing most to shield stack to survive and now in this patch has shield breaker.

Magicka ranged DPS dead and gone, plain and simple just as his appearance on ESO live confirmed to viewers over the set as a "niche" and not a punishment for being forced into something to survive.

leroit

Please @ZOS_GinaBruno , give Templars some less channeled skills, some more aoe cc and some more damage.

AfkNinja

Still has useless skills, passives that lower dmg, no passive regain and no synergy so no.

AbraXuSeXile

I want my blazing shield back

zornyan

My magika templar is extremely good in pvp in 1.6, and most seemed to suggest 1.7 they do even better. People get too pre occupied on min/maxing and builds blah blah.

But my basic variations.

Imperial, 5 heavy/2 light.

All attributes into magika, bar 10 in health.

Bar 1 sword and board.

Pierce armor
Heroic slash
Defensive posture
Rushed ceremony
Lingering ritual

Rememberance.

Bar 2 2 handed

Puncturing sweeps
Aurora javelin
Critical rush
Vigor
Rally

Empowering sweep.

Basically I pop vigor/rally, and go into my routine which is

Crit rush
Javelin
Crit rush
Wrecking blow/sweeps depending on if I need more dps or a bonus heal.

Then repeat. Most targets die quickly, anyone that tries to 1vx me I just focus the same routine, and swap to sword and board bar for defence whilst using a few heals, then swap back to dps.

Hasn't failed me yet, pve I've literially done the enite game with just puncturing sweeps.

Pvp it leaves me fairly high ranked in the leaderboards on a regular basis.I rarely die, gankers rarely kill me.

Ashamray

Alucardo wrote: »

Kick off a DoT with vampires bane (mostly because snares are op now)

Why? Slowing aoe from bosses even slows rolldodge move, but not Sun fire (I run with Reflected morph)


Btw I heard that Eclipse reflects Concealed / Surprise attack. Is it true?

DarthSeverus394

Eclipse only reflects single target SPELLS, not skills. So aoe or stam skills arent effect. Its a sorcs worst nightmare if theyre too stupid to counter it. All assuming it works right.

BugCollector

DarthSeverus394 wrote: »

Eclipse only reflects single target SPELLS, not skills. So aoe or stam skills arent effect. Its a sorcs worst nightmare if theyre too stupid to counter it. All assuming it works right.

I wonder, does Eclipse reflect Lava Whip?

EgoRush

I do feel weaker than before the update, but 1v1 I'm having no issues at all against people with my magicka Templar. My only issues are blobs rolling over me. Puncturing Sweep is hilarious for against large groups though - as long as I can sustain my stamina through a couple of CC's I can overheal most of the damage people do to me by hitting so many at once. I would like a proper CC with my Templar though, that would make a huge difference. Eclipse doesn't cut it. Good if timed right or against people that don't know what they are doing. I like Aurora Javelin for knocking people to the floor, gap closing, then sweep and execute. Proximity is good for us too since we dump points in Thaumaturge.

It still works, but you're right that it doesn't feel as OP as Sorc/NB. That said, I'm not struggling 1v1 against those classes. I win some I lose some.