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  • WRX
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    Rylana wrote: »
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    One shot everytime someone hard casts a crystal fragment *looking at the last eso live-stream*

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with hardcasting.

    I mean, do tell. In your infinite wisdom why is hardcasting a crystal frag such a noob thing to do?

    Because I want to know why, when I hard cast a frag, it tends to kill people or drop them very low so the proccast afterwards finishes them

    I mean, is it because you THINK someone is going to interrupt or dodgeroll? Because im telling you right now, that almost no one ever EVER does. Even in 1v1. Especially in 1v1. Its really funny too. All of that self assured smugness gone out of them when they are knocked on their ass and obliterated in two hits of 7k and 9k respectively. I mean that doesnt always kill them outright, but it might as well. The execute to follow would finish the job quite nicely if I ever slotted it. As it stands a third hardcast while they are getting back up usually polishes them off.

    Must be hilarious for some of those smug players to see only 3 crystal frags in their death recap and nothing else.

    I mean you cant even use reflection risk here as a counter argument, because frags vs reflection would be an issue even on a proccast - and actually more of an issue since youd get hit back that much harder.

    Its a huge dps loss, easily blockable or interrupted (especially with any decent player running crushing shock), and gives free CC immunity on a player that could of taken ~2k more dmg and then executed while breaking CC.

    Only way it is somewhat viable is as a ganking opener, but even then generating a proc is super easy.
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  • Rylana
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    The whole free CC immunity thing is a strawman when everyone knows CC itself is so broken and overused in this game that both rapids and immovable (skill or potion or both) are used to great extent in any organized group.

    There is a reason frags accounts for about 50 percent of my killing blows (654/1310 since i got the new computer last month), because its fricken awesome damage, proc or no proc. Mine hit for almost 10k post-damage nerf. They used to hit for 18 or sometimes even more. Thats a heck of a lot of spike damage near instantly. Especially now that Nirnhoned got fixed and arbitrary spell resistances over 50k are no longer possible. No weave is going to achieve that. "DPS" is a pointless metric in PvP.

    Being able to lay on 30k damage in the span of 2 seconds, burst, now thats whats important. No other caster save a DK inferno double heavy attack in execute range can achieve that kind of single target burst in a DPS weave, and even that requires molten armaments and split second timing to pull off in the right situation.

    To achieve the same raw burst on a caster Sorc in any other way would require a careful stacking of multiple skills, one of which is purgeable, all of which are also blockable, one of which is an ultimate. And dont forget the finisher requires going into point blank range. Inevitable/Curse/Smiting


    Also, there is a counterplay problem with crushing shock (venom arrow). If you use crushing shock (venom arrow) it means youre using a destro staff (bow). Okay, so whats your offhand? Resto? Then you dont have defensive posture so you cant reflect me unless youre a DK. Sword and Board? No heals for you unless youre a templar.

    What this means is, you can interrupt or reflect me or heal. You cant do all three effectively. Meanwhile I can merrily spam you with frags until im blue in the face, unless you can put some burst on me, im going to win this fight, and because youre so focused on trying to counter my damage, youre not doing any on your own. And what meager damage your shock spam might be doing, is being shield absorbed and refreshed as needed. Ive done this too many times vs too many FOTM sorcs in 1.6 to know exactly what im talking about. So many of them followed the same *** strat of trying to bring crushing shock interrupts to a raw burst fight they ended up getting themselves slaughtered because they thought it was pro.

    In a battle of straight up point counterpoint, the hardcaster is actually more likely to beat you than you are him if the hardcaster knows a few things about how builds have to work, and pays attention to your skillset/weapons.

    Funny enough, the only real "decisive" counter used to be ball of lightning resto/destro sorc, purely because BoL added an extra free absorb into the counters mix and made the timing much much more difficult, and BoL got nerfed into the ground and no one uses it anymore. Yay. Sure a DK can still be a problem, but hey ive got curse and mines too for just such a situation.

    Stam build counterplay is a little trickier. what with more dodgeroll mayhem, vigor heals and blocking going on, but vs another magic caster, hardcasts are hilariously effective for all the above reasons.


    Also id like to point out i also try to use proc frags mostly. But sometimes you just gotta wave your hands and show pro-boy over there that just cause your hands arent glowing, doesnt mean you cant generate a 10k blast to the face (that they best not take for granted cause its often followed by the proc one after) any time you want.
    Edited by Rylana on September 15, 2015 8:57AM
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  • WRX
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    TLDR.

    Id be happy to show you large flaw of your ways in a 1v1 or something of the sort.

    I won't need to reflect anything, because you will never get a cast off between my ~13-15k frags, curse, and interrupts. I have never even gotten close to losing a fight to someone who trys to hardcast frags, and getting interrupts is normally where I can finish fights.

    EDIT: In the same time frame, you could get a lot more burst, with almost guaranteed procs. Curse->execute->crushing shock-> frag.

    Curse hits with the frag, which CC's, and then the fury explosions goes. Orrr you could in the same time frame just hardcast 2 frags assuming you don't get interrupted.
    Edited by WRX on September 15, 2015 9:15AM
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  • Rylana
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    Ya know, one of these days im going to start actually accepting these duel requests of people hoping to "shame me" and then people are really going to be surprised. You honestly think youd beat me? Thats a laugh. Every time ive run in to you one of two things has happened. 1. Your blob killed me. 2. I killed you separated from your blob. It actually has happened before, and most likely i killed you with a frag, too.

    Yall got this funny thought in your head from somewhere that im some kinda terribad that doesnt know how to play my own char or something. I got some news for ya, just cause someone isnt in a dueling guild doesnt meant they dont duel for testing of builds and all the like. But hey, i get that a lot from people.

    You also tend to learn an awful lot about what you can and cant do by running solo, completely solo, in Cyro the majority of your time. Sure in the last few months ive adapted a more group oriented style, but i still go out on my own, and am very very successful at it, all of the time.

    Its kinda amusing honestly, a lot of the haters from the forum that run into me out in the field, suddenly shut up when they realize "hey Rylana actually ISNT all talk, and can kick some serious ass when he wants to"

    Maybe you should learn that or something. Or ya know, just teabag me the next time you see me after you and like 10 other guys have steamrolled me. Doesnt matter.
    Edited by Rylana on September 15, 2015 9:34AM
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    Ebonheart Pact: Lyzara Dionysis - Sorc - AR 37 (Former Empress of Blackwater Blade and Haderus) == Shondra Dionysis - Temp - AR 23 == Arrianaya Dionysis - DK - AR 17
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  • WRX
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    Laughable? Then lets test out this idea.

    I played solo and small group on my sorc for 90% of its time, most can attest to that. I haven't been in a dueling guild in over a year, but still can hang, it'd be fun.

    As for what you seem to feel is some personal attack on you, that seems to be a perception on your end. I am stating that strategy won't work against anyone that runs crushing shock over force pulse, and its burst is actually a lot less than you would pull with proper use of other sorc skills. Just offering a helping hand, but feel free to prove me wrong.

    Edited by WRX on September 15, 2015 9:53AM
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  • Soulac
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  • mjspnrb18_ESO
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    Drink everytime some DK or sap NB thinks its still patch 1.5 and tries to tank 10 people.

    Finish your drink if it actually works for a few minutes before someone finally heal debuffs them.

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  • Minnesinger
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    NUFF SAID.


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  • Cypriot122
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    Can you guys please announce where and when this will happen!
  • Minnesinger
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    Cypriot122 wrote: »
    Can you guys please announce where and when this will happen!

    Not sure if we talk about the same thing but my prediction is in the forums later today. If you know what I mean. :)
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  • Cypriot122
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    Cypriot122 wrote: »
    Can you guys please announce where and when this will happen!

    Not sure if we talk about the same thing but my prediction is in the forums later today. If you know what I mean. :)

    I hope someone records ;)
  • vortexman11
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    Drink everytime some DK or sap NB thinks its still patch 1.5 and tries to tank 10 people.

    Finish your drink if it actually works for a few minutes before someone finally heal debuffs them.

    I'll never stop trying to play like it's 1.5
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  • Ezareth
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    Rylana wrote: »
    But sometimes you just gotta wave your hands and show pro-boy over there that just cause your hands arent glowing, doesnt mean you cant generate a 10k blast to the face (that they best not take for granted cause its often followed by the proc one after) any time you want.

    I love hard casting sorcs. 25% bonus damage on next attack after interrupting? 10% bonus damage for the next 5 seconds? Free unresistable CC? Thanks! I have yet to see a single good sorc who hard-casts fragments. When I see this happen I target the sorc because nothing says PvE sorc's first time in Cyrodiil like that does.

    Seriously though, it may make sense to hardcast crystal frags in some rare situations against terrible players but the only reason you'd cast this over crushing shock is if you aren't running a destro staff and if you aren't running a destro staff you'd better be running an overload build and then...why are you casting crystal fragments? It does less damage than crushing shock (when you factor in spell piercing and cost far more magicka plus has a cast time that makes it easy to dodge/block.

    It's hard to tell if you're being serious or not. Your first post I sword was you poking fun of these sorcs but it seems like you're for real.


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  • Nermy
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    Wow... this thread went way off track... Were you guys drinking or something?
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  • Ezareth
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    Nermy wrote: »
    Wow... this thread went way off track... Were you guys drinking or something?

    The only things I drink are water, lattes and tears. I think I'm just salty from all the tears ( =
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  • Sausage
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    Alcohol isnt enough for me sadly, I do drugs.
  • Cypriot122
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    Ezareth wrote: »
    Nermy wrote: »
    Wow... this thread went way off track... Were you guys drinking or something?

    The only things I drink are water, lattes and tears. I think I'm just salty from all the tears ( =

    Have you not found a way to drink cookies yet?
  • Ezareth
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    Cypriot122 wrote: »
    Ezareth wrote: »
    Nermy wrote: »
    Wow... this thread went way off track... Were you guys drinking or something?

    The only things I drink are water, lattes and tears. I think I'm just salty from all the tears ( =

    Have you not found a way to drink cookies yet?

    If they made biscuits in liquid form I'd be all over it. Liquid Biscuit shots. Has a nice ring to it....
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  • DovresMalven
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    everytime Dovres dies!
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  • Crogster
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    This is the best post ever :open_mouth:

    I have played many drinking games with ESO

    As AD i never go to Dragonclaw so I always have a Jager Bomb if taking this but my favourite ever drinking game is choose a player in your group that always dies or wonders off from the crown and every time they do have a shot of Sambuca.

    I held a drinking event for my guild last Xmas and we had to dye our armour green and run in a shape of a Christmas tree across the map everytime someone ruined the shape of my tree I stop the group make them get back to looking like a Xmas tree and everyone has a shot :open_mouth:

    I might have many more but I just got back from the pub ill try and think of some more for you all tomorrow hahaha
    Edited by Crogster on September 15, 2015 11:25PM
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  • heystreethawk
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    Do whatever when:

    * A zone pug cries "spies!", because the bad guys were unexpectedly present at the keep they were sieging
    * A group lead starts guilt-tripping in zone b/c the full faction pop did not attend a keep defense
    * (Prob more of a pre-IC thing) Anyone suggests that defending a scroll is more important than defending emp, because it's not like the health bonus for having an emp in your alliance is even that good -- drink or bang a gavel or eat a dinosaur or whatever 2x if no one else explains to them the value of having a superman fighting for your factionwide interest
    * Someone in your group exhibits behavior suggesting that "battle comms" do not apply to yelling about the skill or set or class responsible for their unjust and untimely demise, while the rest of the alive group battles on
    Edited by heystreethawk on September 16, 2015 1:58AM
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  • Mojmir
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    liver is evil,must be punished.
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  • ScarecrowBoat
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    A shot whenever someone asks "How do I get out of cyrrodiil?"
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