Can we address Snipe Already?

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Stamina have so much choice...

They have:

2 handed
Dual wield
Bows
S&B

Magicka Has:

Desto - the only dmging weapon a magicka user can have
Resto - Heal , not a damaging skill line.

So stamina has 4 options for dmging skill lines with different skills while magicka has only 1 weapon that they can light/heavy attack with and has damaging abilities.

Plus there are a quite a few stamina morphs for class skills.

Also why is snipe the only skill that gives advantage? Your missing a few here

2 hander - Gets wb, rally, executioner, crit rush.
dual - gets Steel tornado (best aoe in the game) ,flying blade, flurry etc... Highest dmging weapon skill line as well
S+B - Invasion, reflect projectiles, lots of stuns etc...
Bows - Psn injection, snipe, magnum shot,

Many good stamina morphs like , biting jabs, ambush, suprise attack, unstable flame, etc...

Bhakura · September 2015

Simple question then, why is almost, if not every single emperor a magicka build?

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Bhakura wrote: »

Simple question then, why is almost, if not every single emperor a magicka build?

According to who?

The current emp on ps4 eu Asura is a Stam nb?

reften · September 2015

i have access to snipe, I pvp a lot...and I don't use it.

If you're dying to snipe, you're doing it wrong.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

reften wrote: »

i have access to snipe, I pvp a lot...and I don't use it.

If you're dying to snipe, you're doing it wrong.

So if i die to 12-20k arrows i'm doing it wrong huh?

Sry mr pvp god. Do the arrows just decide to not dmg you?

BuggeX · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

reften wrote: »

i have access to snipe, I pvp a lot...and I don't use it.

If you're dying to snipe, you're doing it wrong.

So if i die to 12-20k arrows i'm doing it wrong huh?

Sry mr pvp god. Do the arrows just decide to not dmg you?

yes, try heavy armor if you think you get to much dmg

leepalmer95 · September 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

reften wrote: »

i have access to snipe, I pvp a lot...and I don't use it.

If you're dying to snipe, you're doing it wrong.

So if i die to 12-20k arrows i'm doing it wrong huh?

Sry mr pvp god. Do the arrows just decide to not dmg you?

yes, try heavy armor if you think you get to much dmg

Problem is most magicka users can't really use heavy armour if they actually want to be able to kill people. They'll run out of resources too quickly.

BuggeX · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

reften wrote: »

i have access to snipe, I pvp a lot...and I don't use it.

If you're dying to snipe, you're doing it wrong.

So if i die to 12-20k arrows i'm doing it wrong huh?

Sry mr pvp god. Do the arrows just decide to not dmg you?

yes, try heavy armor if you think you get to much dmg

Problem is most magicka users can't really use heavy armour if they actually want to be able to kill people. They'll run out of resources too quickly.

i dont have Problems, and i kill most ppls 1v1, exept templars

leepalmer95 · September 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

reften wrote: »

i have access to snipe, I pvp a lot...and I don't use it.

If you're dying to snipe, you're doing it wrong.

So if i die to 12-20k arrows i'm doing it wrong huh?

Sry mr pvp god. Do the arrows just decide to not dmg you?

yes, try heavy armor if you think you get to much dmg

Problem is most magicka users can't really use heavy armour if they actually want to be able to kill people. They'll run out of resources too quickly.

i dont have Problems, and i kill most ppls 1v1, exept templars

and what build are you?

BuggeX · September 2015

24k Magicka 30k HP 20K Stamina 1,8k Spellpower, 1,6k Magicka Regen
Spellres 32k Armor 30k
1 Whipe cost me 1,7k Magicka

with epic v15 bufffood,
without tripot buff or entrophy

More you dont have to know

leepalmer95 · September 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

24k Magicka 30k HP 20K Stamina 1,8k Spellpower, 1,6k Magicka Regen
Spellres 32k Armor 30k
1 Whipe cost me 1,7k Magicka

with epic v15 bufffood,
without tripot buff or entrophy

More you dont have to know

Permablock dk, says everything.

BuggeX · September 2015

why do you think i can block permanetly? 1v1 yes, 1vx noway.

and even then, i dont block 1v1, this Little dmg i counterhealed with Inhalation and whipe

Bhakura · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

24k Magicka 30k HP 20K Stamina 1,8k Spellpower, 1,6k Magicka Regen
Spellres 32k Armor 30k
1 Whipe cost me 1,7k Magicka

with epic v15 bufffood,
without tripot buff or entrophy

More you dont have to know

Permablock dk, says everything.

So basicly you want every single stamina build nerfed just because you are magicka.
And of course especially bows.
/rolleyes

Johngo0036 · September 2015

They can NERF snipe when they NERF shield Stacking.....

Johngo0036 · September 2015

They can NERF snipe when they NERF shield Stacking.....

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Bhakura wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

24k Magicka 30k HP 20K Stamina 1,8k Spellpower, 1,6k Magicka Regen
Spellres 32k Armor 30k
1 Whipe cost me 1,7k Magicka

with epic v15 bufffood,
without tripot buff or entrophy

More you dont have to know

Permablock dk, says everything.

So basicly you want every single stamina build nerfed just because you are magicka.
And of course especially bows.
/rolleyes

No just snipe adjusted, a 50m skill shouldn't be able to be spammed or hit harder then melee ranged skills. But hey if you exaggerating my point makes you feel better about it, go ahead continue.

[quote="BuggeX;2251954"]why do you think i can block permanetly? 1v1 yes, 1vx noway [/quote]

But you've just said you can perma block? I don't consider perma blockers as pvpers sry. When your entire pvp 'skill' consists of holding a button that pretty much means your a bad player.

BuggeX · September 2015

i can yes, but i dont Need it 1v1

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Johngo0036 wrote: »

They can NERF snipe when they NERF shield Stacking.....

Do you know what shield stacking is?

The only physical shield a sorc has is hardened ward.

The only extra shield a sorc has compare to other classes is hardened ward.

TequilaFire · September 2015

Solution - make all abilities do zero damage, problem solved!
/sarcasm

Bhakura · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

No just snipe adjusted, a 50m skill shouldn't be able to be spammed or hit harder then melee ranged skills. But hey if you exaggerating my point makes you feel better about it, go ahead continue.

Its not exaggerating, what you ask is a nerf to something that goes toe to toe with the opposite side, stamina versus magicka. Snipe is a good skill, far from an insta gib uberpwn skill you make it out to be.

Youre not one of those i see alot, standing on castle walls, taking a snipe and not moving an inch, and get sniped to death, are you? Because then i can understand why even post about it. But in that case, its your own fault you die to snipes and not because the skill is way to powerful.
The stamina cost and charge time are fine for the damage and range it has.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Bhakura wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

No just snipe adjusted, a 50m skill shouldn't be able to be spammed or hit harder then melee ranged skills. But hey if you exaggerating my point makes you feel better about it, go ahead continue.

Its not exaggerating, what you ask is a nerf to something that goes toe to toe with the opposite side, stamina versus magicka. Snipe is a good skill, far from an insta gib uberpwn skill you make it out to be.

Youre not one of those i see alot, standing on castle walls, taking a snipe and not moving an inch, and get sniped to death, are you? Because then i can understand why even post about it. But in that case, its your own fault you die to snipes and not because the skill is way to powerful.
The stamina cost and charge time are fine for the damage and range it has.

But it's not fine... xD 50m range skill shouldn't be doing that dmg.

I don't bother standing on walls as i'm a magicka build and therefore have no chance.

So your saying that if your a magicka build don't bother with long range group pvp.

Sithisvoid · September 2015

I can 1-2 shot ppl with snipe on ps4 until tmw. Who wants some?

Thecapeo · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

reften wrote: »

i have access to snipe, I pvp a lot...and I don't use it.

If you're dying to snipe, you're doing it wrong.

So if i die to 12-20k arrows i'm doing it wrong huh?

Sry mr pvp god. Do the arrows just decide to not dmg you?

Stam DK here. And yes, you're doing something wrong if you're getting hit with snipes that high. I'm medium armor and I've never seen one over 7K and that's rare. Do you use any of your DK mitigation? Do you block or reflect? Something doesn't compute here.

CavalierKing · September 2015

Stop playing as a glass cannon and you won't get shattered. It's that simple.

reften · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

reften wrote: »

i have access to snipe, I pvp a lot...and I don't use it.

If you're dying to snipe, you're doing it wrong.

So if i die to 12-20k arrows i'm doing it wrong huh?

Sry mr pvp god. Do the arrows just decide to not dmg you?

Nope, here is a quick lesson.

Sieging? Fire the siege, then drop in stealth and hold block until it reloads.

Skirmishing? You get to close you die.

Running as a group? If your health bar drops significantly, immediately stop what you're doing, roll dodge once or twice and get to your crown, cause that's where the heals are

Travelling on horse and get hit? Don't let your horse's stamina drop below 50%. Hold block to dismount, roll dodge and use your defense (shields, cloak, or simply heals).

Yes, you're doing it wrong. You have to be quick in pvp.

Etaniel · September 2015

Please always mention what platform you're playing on... If consoles didn't get the IC patch yet, damage feels completely different, and arguing without knowing which patch people are playing on is ***.

robkrush · September 2015

SnarkyQB wrote: »

"I got sniped, snipe shouldn't be so powerful"
"90% of my death recap is wrecking blows!"
"can zos do something about cristal frag's insane proc already?"
etc etc...

basically, if you get killed by certain abilities you don't use or class that is not your own,
suddenly it's op and needs to be "addressed" which often means "nerf".

I'm sure many pvp players have something else to say but "addressing" for the sake of pvp balance affects end game pvE a LOT and it hurts bad.

I love how you can tell what class people are by what they complain about. This guy is a templar; he mentioned all the metas except radiant destruction. Lol

Thecapeo · September 2015

He said PS4. So no patch yet. Still doesn't make sense. I run in a duo most of the time with my buddy who is a mag DK, S&B/Destro, HA. I'm a stam DK, S&B/2H (moving to DW once patch drops), MA and we can tank zergs while doing good DPS. Hardened should always be up, Obsidian into Coagulated/Rally/Vigor/Whip, Leap spam for huge shields and cc, reflective/defensive for ranged. A DK shouldn't be wilting to snipes.

Starshadw · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seriously why is a 50m + range skill doing more dmg than 90% of the abilities in the game.

Also why can it be spammed as fast as it can? For a long range skill it should have a higher cast time.

It also shouldn't be hitting 12-20k. Per shot. With it's range + travel time you can have 2 mid air at once.

It puts magicka builds at such a disadvantage vs any stamina build because of its range and dmg, no magicka skill can even compare to it. Same in group vs group situations, with a magicka build you need to get to the front of a group to target the front of the enemy's. Problem is you get spammed by 3-4 snipes by people completely out of your range and in the middle of the enemy group, who are relatively safe.

A attack which such range which can be cast 'safel'y away from the enemy shouldn't be doing such high dmg or be able to be cast so quickly.

Snipe should be used as an opening to a fight, get one or 2 off before in range sure, but not for 12-20k dmg each and not with a 1s cast time.

The fact in cyrodiil theres so many stam builds just spamming this, stam nb's making up like 40% of cyrodiil pop, it's literally all that appears on my kill feeds.

It's not the skill that's the problem - it's the macroing, animation-canceling and the Champion System that is breaking things left and right. Nerfing skills (which is what ZOS is currently doing) is only treating symptoms. It's doing nothing for the disease itself.

zatohonour · September 2015

I used bow a lot(still do sometimes) and i have to say with my gear and c points and massive critical,lethal/focused aim is a bit too powerful in my mind.I use it in groups with impunity(i suppose that's the point of a long range archer skill) but the damage it can output with the safe firing and large range is a bit too much.

Ofcourse,using it to KO horse riders and players on the edges of groups is so simple,almost feels like cheating racking up kills and melting away while being at safe range :P

I personally enjoy popping detect pots at the rear of a sieging enemy and racking up kills on all the nbs and others in stealth.

So yeah(still a novice compared to some on here) i do believe it's a bit OTT.

Bear in mind,i'm on ps4 so it's maybe a bit different to the pc,as many times lag will make 3 or 4 of them hit all at once and give no chance of defense,and we don't have the update yet.