Recremen wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

Ha ha, hold on, let me make my point bigger so you can stop missing it so badly!

• Nobody cares about the map right now because they are just trying to get geared up.
• Taking the whole map either means some folks in your faction don't understand what's going on, or are being incredibly unsportsmanlike.
• While it did seem there were fewer EP for a month or so, that is clearly no longer the case. Actually let's take it a step further, it literally can't be the case, because of math. We're all pop-locked almost all the time on all servers, and unless EP poplock < (AD poplock || DC poplock) then there are exactly the same number of folks running around on every faction.
• Everyone familiar with Cyro can recognize when someone is trying to set up a farm.
• Nobody wants to bother mustering the forces to deal with two giant EP groups while the current meta is to ignore fights and gear up.
• You're only adding about two minutes to our run to the sewer entrance, everyone familiar with Cyro will choose ignoring you over engaging you and getting farmed by two giant EP groups.

I really have no idea where you're getting info regarding the number of 16+ member groups per alliance. Well, I have an idea, but I'd prefer not to tarnish to forums with that kind of language. Suffice to say, you are incorrect.

Point is, people aren't going to sit around getting farmed in overland Cyro when there are no benefits and when they could actually be accomplishing some measurable goal, like getting geared up. You can keep being a party to or complacent with unsportsmanlike conduct, but everyone else can keep ignoring and avoiding you. Ironically, the one thing I dislike about Imperial City (how easy it is to avoid fighting) is the best tool to punish naughty players.

Nobody minds you keeping emp for the health buffs, if you really need the help for the IC PvE grind then by all means, go for it. But if you're trying to provoke people into getting farmed by an emp group and a giant support group, you're straight out of luck.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil since 2weeks ago. You can keep blaming me for my "unsporstmanlike conduct" without even knowing who I am if that please you, but do it outside of these forums, ty.

Regarding the 16men organized groups (who know what they're doing) running out there. I don't know any groups other than Nexus, GoS and Havoc in EP. Havoc haven't been running 16 in quite some time though. SwP are getting better but they still have alot to learn even tho they have the numbers. Sotp also could use more solid players. They used to be much better (in my opinion).

I won't even start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds out there running 16-40 men groups which make it really hard to compete for EP even at primetime.

Once again, it is your call if you wanna play in IC but people won't stop playing in Cyrodiil only to make sure that the map stays balanced up there. C'mon now. People still want to be emperor as much as before and most people I know already have their full 5pieces vr15+ and yes they have a full time job and a family. If you are still farming gear at this time, it probably means that you don't know how to do it or you are farming to make gold out of it, which is fine. But the war won't hold only for your greedy needs.

You talk about giant EP groups running around like only EP does that which is another huge mistake of alot of folks who speak their mind in the forums. Every single faction has large groups.

You say "I am incorrect", yet you bring no facts and no proofs on the table other than speculating with your own experiences and opinions.

If you haven't been in Cyro for two weeks then I think we found the problem. The way you were phrasing things made me think you were actually fighting, my apologies. Either way, I very clearly wasn't singling you out specifically. I'm referring only to the reds who are grabbing the gate keeps. If you aren't part of that, you don't need to defend yourself.

If you won't start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds running 16-40, it might be because you don't actually know any. You can't be away for two weeks, especially not with the new PvP DLC out, and expect to have a grasp of the current situation. I'm not sure what Crown and Hello Kitty are running around with, but Deci for instance hasn't been fielding more than 16 for weeks. And if you're counting pug wrangler groups among the "organized" then that's your call, but on AD we hold dedicated PvP guilds to a higher standard than what's expected of the newer players.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people being emp or whatever, that's not even on most peoples' minds right now. I feel like you're still not understanding where people's priorities are at the moment. And unless you know like two people, "most people" you know don't have their full end-game V16 sets yet. Sure, there might be a bunch with V15 gear, but that's not actual end-game gear. This might be your two weeks away talking again, but it takes literally 10 times as many resources to get V16 versions of things versus V15, so yeah, a lot of people who know plenty well what they're doing are still farming for materials.

I never said anything about EP being the only one running in giant groups. There's a huge difference between running in giant groups in Cyro, though, and running in the Imperial City. Probably your two weeks away talking, but with almost 100% of any given faction's playerbase focused on the Imperial City and getting geared, whatever faction does decide to go out in force is going to easily steamroll over the 3 people on the other two factions who aren't in the city yet.

Yes, you are incorrect regarding being the underdog faction, but no, it's not a matter of speculation, personal experience, or opinion. I'm not sure if you missed the part where I proved it's impossible for pop-locked factions to have number imbalances, but if you need it again then here we go : unless EP poplock is less than AD poplock or DC poplock, the numbers fielded by each faction on fully poplocked campaigns are going to be equal. Also, it's a little peculiar to get accused of bias and speculation by someone who hasn't even been in PvP for two weeks.

Really I don't even know why you have a stake in the argument, it seems like you're making accusations just for the sake of being hostile. If you want to come back to Cyro, cool, I look forward to seeing you in the city, or on the battlefield after I'm geared up, but if not then this conversation doesn't actually involve you.

xsfkxnub19_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

Ha ha, hold on, let me make my point bigger so you can stop missing it so badly!

• Nobody cares about the map right now because they are just trying to get geared up.
• Taking the whole map either means some folks in your faction don't understand what's going on, or are being incredibly unsportsmanlike.
• While it did seem there were fewer EP for a month or so, that is clearly no longer the case. Actually let's take it a step further, it literally can't be the case, because of math. We're all pop-locked almost all the time on all servers, and unless EP poplock < (AD poplock || DC poplock) then there are exactly the same number of folks running around on every faction.
• Everyone familiar with Cyro can recognize when someone is trying to set up a farm.
• Nobody wants to bother mustering the forces to deal with two giant EP groups while the current meta is to ignore fights and gear up.
• You're only adding about two minutes to our run to the sewer entrance, everyone familiar with Cyro will choose ignoring you over engaging you and getting farmed by two giant EP groups.

I really have no idea where you're getting info regarding the number of 16+ member groups per alliance. Well, I have an idea, but I'd prefer not to tarnish to forums with that kind of language. Suffice to say, you are incorrect.

Point is, people aren't going to sit around getting farmed in overland Cyro when there are no benefits and when they could actually be accomplishing some measurable goal, like getting geared up. You can keep being a party to or complacent with unsportsmanlike conduct, but everyone else can keep ignoring and avoiding you. Ironically, the one thing I dislike about Imperial City (how easy it is to avoid fighting) is the best tool to punish naughty players.

Nobody minds you keeping emp for the health buffs, if you really need the help for the IC PvE grind then by all means, go for it. But if you're trying to provoke people into getting farmed by an emp group and a giant support group, you're straight out of luck.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil since 2weeks ago. You can keep blaming me for my "unsporstmanlike conduct" without even knowing who I am if that please you, but do it outside of these forums, ty.

Regarding the 16men organized groups (who know what they're doing) running out there. I don't know any groups other than Nexus, GoS and Havoc in EP. Havoc haven't been running 16 in quite some time though. SwP are getting better but they still have alot to learn even tho they have the numbers. Sotp also could use more solid players. They used to be much better (in my opinion).

I won't even start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds out there running 16-40 men groups which make it really hard to compete for EP even at primetime.

Once again, it is your call if you wanna play in IC but people won't stop playing in Cyrodiil only to make sure that the map stays balanced up there. C'mon now. People still want to be emperor as much as before and most people I know already have their full 5pieces vr15+ and yes they have a full time job and a family. If you are still farming gear at this time, it probably means that you don't know how to do it or you are farming to make gold out of it, which is fine. But the war won't hold only for your greedy needs.

You talk about giant EP groups running around like only EP does that which is another huge mistake of alot of folks who speak their mind in the forums. Every single faction has large groups.

You say "I am incorrect", yet you bring no facts and no proofs on the table other than speculating with your own experiences and opinions.

If you haven't been in Cyro for two weeks then I think we found the problem. The way you were phrasing things made me think you were actually fighting, my apologies. Either way, I very clearly wasn't singling you out specifically. I'm referring only to the reds who are grabbing the gate keeps. If you aren't part of that, you don't need to defend yourself.

If you won't start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds running 16-40, it might be because you don't actually know any. You can't be away for two weeks, especially not with the new PvP DLC out, and expect to have a grasp of the current situation. I'm not sure what Crown and Hello Kitty are running around with, but Deci for instance hasn't been fielding more than 16 for weeks. And if you're counting pug wrangler groups among the "organized" then that's your call, but on AD we hold dedicated PvP guilds to a higher standard than what's expected of the newer players.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people being emp or whatever, that's not even on most peoples' minds right now. I feel like you're still not understanding where people's priorities are at the moment. And unless you know like two people, "most people" you know don't have their full end-game V16 sets yet. Sure, there might be a bunch with V15 gear, but that's not actual end-game gear. This might be your two weeks away talking again, but it takes literally 10 times as many resources to get V16 versions of things versus V15, so yeah, a lot of people who know plenty well what they're doing are still farming for materials.

I never said anything about EP being the only one running in giant groups. There's a huge difference between running in giant groups in Cyro, though, and running in the Imperial City. Probably your two weeks away talking, but with almost 100% of any given faction's playerbase focused on the Imperial City and getting geared, whatever faction does decide to go out in force is going to easily steamroll over the 3 people on the other two factions who aren't in the city yet.

Yes, you are incorrect regarding being the underdog faction, but no, it's not a matter of speculation, personal experience, or opinion. I'm not sure if you missed the part where I proved it's impossible for pop-locked factions to have number imbalances, but if you need it again then here we go : unless EP poplock is less than AD poplock or DC poplock, the numbers fielded by each faction on fully poplocked campaigns are going to be equal. Also, it's a little peculiar to get accused of bias and speculation by someone who hasn't even been in PvP for two weeks.

Really I don't even know why you have a stake in the argument, it seems like you're making accusations just for the sake of being hostile. If you want to come back to Cyro, cool, I look forward to seeing you in the city, or on the battlefield after I'm geared up, but if not then this conversation doesn't actually involve you.

Another mistake here, you assume that since I haven't been in Cyrodiil, I have no idea of what is going on. I do have contacts and I do keep a close eye on population bars across all the campaigns and even though EP got a major increase in population since IC came out, the overall population of all the campaigns keep DC and AD way ahead. Not only organisation wise but population wise.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil for 2weeks, that's a fact but I have been pvping anyway in Imperial City districts and sewers. I see groups of people still running around and it doesn't take me long to realize which guild is involved just tabbing over names.

You want me to name some of the dozen of DC and AD guild running a 16men group ? sure thing.

AD : Misfitz, Decibel, TKO (double raid), Hello Kitty, RAGE, DiG and there is another one I can't remember which has Knights in their name.

DC : Nemesis which is now KHoles, Chuck Norris, TFL and Vehemence.

Regarding the farming of your end game gear, I was reffering to vr15 gear. If you expect people to not get involved in Cyrodiil until everybody is all vr16 5 pieces, you can keep dreaming. But vr15 5pieces with one or two pieces vr16 is realistic at this point. If you don't have it, you are just slacking. Anyway, even if that would not be the case, there is no reason to expect people to not play in Cyrodiil and stay in IC. Some people don't like the pve aspects of IC and play only to have pvp action without mobs interfering in every single fight and I respect that.

None of the guilds you listed run 16 man groups except for Decibel. RAGE rarely has over 12, and KHoles as far as I'm concerned more than often has around 8. Chuck Norris runs like 2 raids, TFL, VE, Misfitz all run 24. The rest aren't even worth mentioning and are zerg guilds.

manny254 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

xsfkxnub19_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

Ha ha, hold on, let me make my point bigger so you can stop missing it so badly!

• Nobody cares about the map right now because they are just trying to get geared up.
• Taking the whole map either means some folks in your faction don't understand what's going on, or are being incredibly unsportsmanlike.
• While it did seem there were fewer EP for a month or so, that is clearly no longer the case. Actually let's take it a step further, it literally can't be the case, because of math. We're all pop-locked almost all the time on all servers, and unless EP poplock < (AD poplock || DC poplock) then there are exactly the same number of folks running around on every faction.
• Everyone familiar with Cyro can recognize when someone is trying to set up a farm.
• Nobody wants to bother mustering the forces to deal with two giant EP groups while the current meta is to ignore fights and gear up.
• You're only adding about two minutes to our run to the sewer entrance, everyone familiar with Cyro will choose ignoring you over engaging you and getting farmed by two giant EP groups.

I really have no idea where you're getting info regarding the number of 16+ member groups per alliance. Well, I have an idea, but I'd prefer not to tarnish to forums with that kind of language. Suffice to say, you are incorrect.

Point is, people aren't going to sit around getting farmed in overland Cyro when there are no benefits and when they could actually be accomplishing some measurable goal, like getting geared up. You can keep being a party to or complacent with unsportsmanlike conduct, but everyone else can keep ignoring and avoiding you. Ironically, the one thing I dislike about Imperial City (how easy it is to avoid fighting) is the best tool to punish naughty players.

Nobody minds you keeping emp for the health buffs, if you really need the help for the IC PvE grind then by all means, go for it. But if you're trying to provoke people into getting farmed by an emp group and a giant support group, you're straight out of luck.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil since 2weeks ago. You can keep blaming me for my "unsporstmanlike conduct" without even knowing who I am if that please you, but do it outside of these forums, ty.

Regarding the 16men organized groups (who know what they're doing) running out there. I don't know any groups other than Nexus, GoS and Havoc in EP. Havoc haven't been running 16 in quite some time though. SwP are getting better but they still have alot to learn even tho they have the numbers. Sotp also could use more solid players. They used to be much better (in my opinion).

I won't even start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds out there running 16-40 men groups which make it really hard to compete for EP even at primetime.

Once again, it is your call if you wanna play in IC but people won't stop playing in Cyrodiil only to make sure that the map stays balanced up there. C'mon now. People still want to be emperor as much as before and most people I know already have their full 5pieces vr15+ and yes they have a full time job and a family. If you are still farming gear at this time, it probably means that you don't know how to do it or you are farming to make gold out of it, which is fine. But the war won't hold only for your greedy needs.

You talk about giant EP groups running around like only EP does that which is another huge mistake of alot of folks who speak their mind in the forums. Every single faction has large groups.

You say "I am incorrect", yet you bring no facts and no proofs on the table other than speculating with your own experiences and opinions.

If you haven't been in Cyro for two weeks then I think we found the problem. The way you were phrasing things made me think you were actually fighting, my apologies. Either way, I very clearly wasn't singling you out specifically. I'm referring only to the reds who are grabbing the gate keeps. If you aren't part of that, you don't need to defend yourself.

If you won't start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds running 16-40, it might be because you don't actually know any. You can't be away for two weeks, especially not with the new PvP DLC out, and expect to have a grasp of the current situation. I'm not sure what Crown and Hello Kitty are running around with, but Deci for instance hasn't been fielding more than 16 for weeks. And if you're counting pug wrangler groups among the "organized" then that's your call, but on AD we hold dedicated PvP guilds to a higher standard than what's expected of the newer players.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people being emp or whatever, that's not even on most peoples' minds right now. I feel like you're still not understanding where people's priorities are at the moment. And unless you know like two people, "most people" you know don't have their full end-game V16 sets yet. Sure, there might be a bunch with V15 gear, but that's not actual end-game gear. This might be your two weeks away talking again, but it takes literally 10 times as many resources to get V16 versions of things versus V15, so yeah, a lot of people who know plenty well what they're doing are still farming for materials.

I never said anything about EP being the only one running in giant groups. There's a huge difference between running in giant groups in Cyro, though, and running in the Imperial City. Probably your two weeks away talking, but with almost 100% of any given faction's playerbase focused on the Imperial City and getting geared, whatever faction does decide to go out in force is going to easily steamroll over the 3 people on the other two factions who aren't in the city yet.

Yes, you are incorrect regarding being the underdog faction, but no, it's not a matter of speculation, personal experience, or opinion. I'm not sure if you missed the part where I proved it's impossible for pop-locked factions to have number imbalances, but if you need it again then here we go : unless EP poplock is less than AD poplock or DC poplock, the numbers fielded by each faction on fully poplocked campaigns are going to be equal. Also, it's a little peculiar to get accused of bias and speculation by someone who hasn't even been in PvP for two weeks.

Really I don't even know why you have a stake in the argument, it seems like you're making accusations just for the sake of being hostile. If you want to come back to Cyro, cool, I look forward to seeing you in the city, or on the battlefield after I'm geared up, but if not then this conversation doesn't actually involve you.

Another mistake here, you assume that since I haven't been in Cyrodiil, I have no idea of what is going on. I do have contacts and I do keep a close eye on population bars across all the campaigns and even though EP got a major increase in population since IC came out, the overall population of all the campaigns keep DC and AD way ahead. Not only organisation wise but population wise.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil for 2weeks, that's a fact but I have been pvping anyway in Imperial City districts and sewers. I see groups of people still running around and it doesn't take me long to realize which guild is involved just tabbing over names.

You want me to name some of the dozen of DC and AD guild running a 16men group ? sure thing.

AD : Misfitz, Decibel, TKO (double raid), Hello Kitty, RAGE, DiG and there is another one I can't remember which has Knights in their name.

DC : Nemesis which is now KHoles, Chuck Norris, TFL and Vehemence.

Regarding the farming of your end game gear, I was reffering to vr15 gear. If you expect people to not get involved in Cyrodiil until everybody is all vr16 5 pieces, you can keep dreaming. But vr15 5pieces with one or two pieces vr16 is realistic at this point. If you don't have it, you are just slacking. Anyway, even if that would not be the case, there is no reason to expect people to not play in Cyrodiil and stay in IC. Some people don't like the pve aspects of IC and play only to have pvp action without mobs interfering in every single fight and I respect that.

None of the guilds you listed run 16 man groups except for Decibel. RAGE rarely has over 12, and KHoles as far as I'm concerned more than often has around 8. Chuck Norris runs like 2 raids, TFL, VE, Misfitz all run 24. The rest aren't even worth mentioning and are zerg guilds.

Funny how you mention that "none of the guilds you listed run a 16 men group" yet you mention 6guilds in your exception list. KHoles runs a 16men group nowadays. Maybe RAGE doesn't run it anymore but pre IC, they did it everyday. TKO IS worth mentioning since they all spam steel tornado 5-6k hit, run 10 barriers and know how to pvedoor a keep in 2mins.

This being said, compared to only two organized guilds in EP, we can safely conclude that AD and DC has way more organisation and population and if their wish is to control Cyrodiil, they can do it anytime they feel for it which make this thread totally useless in the first place.

See you out there.

This is just not true at all frozn. There are plenty of ep guilds that frankly are not skilled enough/play at the right time for anyone to know their name, but they run huge group. In Azuras last update there was a EP (Based on their names alot of them where from Japan or other Similar time zones) group that capped the map almost every morning with a 24 man. Then there was another that guild that zerg balled hard enough to make tko proud. Just because you do not know the guilds does not mean they do not exist. Heck the other day a EP trade guild was taking fare to secure there TV stone farming, and there was no one to fight them off. There is a reason that EP controls most of the Campaign Maps. Who ever brings the most people to the battle wins, and EP has the most people to pull from.

manny254 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

xsfkxnub19_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

Ha ha, hold on, let me make my point bigger so you can stop missing it so badly!

• Nobody cares about the map right now because they are just trying to get geared up.
• Taking the whole map either means some folks in your faction don't understand what's going on, or are being incredibly unsportsmanlike.
• While it did seem there were fewer EP for a month or so, that is clearly no longer the case. Actually let's take it a step further, it literally can't be the case, because of math. We're all pop-locked almost all the time on all servers, and unless EP poplock < (AD poplock || DC poplock) then there are exactly the same number of folks running around on every faction.
• Everyone familiar with Cyro can recognize when someone is trying to set up a farm.
• Nobody wants to bother mustering the forces to deal with two giant EP groups while the current meta is to ignore fights and gear up.
• You're only adding about two minutes to our run to the sewer entrance, everyone familiar with Cyro will choose ignoring you over engaging you and getting farmed by two giant EP groups.

I really have no idea where you're getting info regarding the number of 16+ member groups per alliance. Well, I have an idea, but I'd prefer not to tarnish to forums with that kind of language. Suffice to say, you are incorrect.

Point is, people aren't going to sit around getting farmed in overland Cyro when there are no benefits and when they could actually be accomplishing some measurable goal, like getting geared up. You can keep being a party to or complacent with unsportsmanlike conduct, but everyone else can keep ignoring and avoiding you. Ironically, the one thing I dislike about Imperial City (how easy it is to avoid fighting) is the best tool to punish naughty players.

Nobody minds you keeping emp for the health buffs, if you really need the help for the IC PvE grind then by all means, go for it. But if you're trying to provoke people into getting farmed by an emp group and a giant support group, you're straight out of luck.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil since 2weeks ago. You can keep blaming me for my "unsporstmanlike conduct" without even knowing who I am if that please you, but do it outside of these forums, ty.

Regarding the 16men organized groups (who know what they're doing) running out there. I don't know any groups other than Nexus, GoS and Havoc in EP. Havoc haven't been running 16 in quite some time though. SwP are getting better but they still have alot to learn even tho they have the numbers. Sotp also could use more solid players. They used to be much better (in my opinion).

I won't even start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds out there running 16-40 men groups which make it really hard to compete for EP even at primetime.

Once again, it is your call if you wanna play in IC but people won't stop playing in Cyrodiil only to make sure that the map stays balanced up there. C'mon now. People still want to be emperor as much as before and most people I know already have their full 5pieces vr15+ and yes they have a full time job and a family. If you are still farming gear at this time, it probably means that you don't know how to do it or you are farming to make gold out of it, which is fine. But the war won't hold only for your greedy needs.

You talk about giant EP groups running around like only EP does that which is another huge mistake of alot of folks who speak their mind in the forums. Every single faction has large groups.

You say "I am incorrect", yet you bring no facts and no proofs on the table other than speculating with your own experiences and opinions.

If you haven't been in Cyro for two weeks then I think we found the problem. The way you were phrasing things made me think you were actually fighting, my apologies. Either way, I very clearly wasn't singling you out specifically. I'm referring only to the reds who are grabbing the gate keeps. If you aren't part of that, you don't need to defend yourself.

If you won't start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds running 16-40, it might be because you don't actually know any. You can't be away for two weeks, especially not with the new PvP DLC out, and expect to have a grasp of the current situation. I'm not sure what Crown and Hello Kitty are running around with, but Deci for instance hasn't been fielding more than 16 for weeks. And if you're counting pug wrangler groups among the "organized" then that's your call, but on AD we hold dedicated PvP guilds to a higher standard than what's expected of the newer players.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people being emp or whatever, that's not even on most peoples' minds right now. I feel like you're still not understanding where people's priorities are at the moment. And unless you know like two people, "most people" you know don't have their full end-game V16 sets yet. Sure, there might be a bunch with V15 gear, but that's not actual end-game gear. This might be your two weeks away talking again, but it takes literally 10 times as many resources to get V16 versions of things versus V15, so yeah, a lot of people who know plenty well what they're doing are still farming for materials.

I never said anything about EP being the only one running in giant groups. There's a huge difference between running in giant groups in Cyro, though, and running in the Imperial City. Probably your two weeks away talking, but with almost 100% of any given faction's playerbase focused on the Imperial City and getting geared, whatever faction does decide to go out in force is going to easily steamroll over the 3 people on the other two factions who aren't in the city yet.

Yes, you are incorrect regarding being the underdog faction, but no, it's not a matter of speculation, personal experience, or opinion. I'm not sure if you missed the part where I proved it's impossible for pop-locked factions to have number imbalances, but if you need it again then here we go : unless EP poplock is less than AD poplock or DC poplock, the numbers fielded by each faction on fully poplocked campaigns are going to be equal. Also, it's a little peculiar to get accused of bias and speculation by someone who hasn't even been in PvP for two weeks.

Really I don't even know why you have a stake in the argument, it seems like you're making accusations just for the sake of being hostile. If you want to come back to Cyro, cool, I look forward to seeing you in the city, or on the battlefield after I'm geared up, but if not then this conversation doesn't actually involve you.

Another mistake here, you assume that since I haven't been in Cyrodiil, I have no idea of what is going on. I do have contacts and I do keep a close eye on population bars across all the campaigns and even though EP got a major increase in population since IC came out, the overall population of all the campaigns keep DC and AD way ahead. Not only organisation wise but population wise.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil for 2weeks, that's a fact but I have been pvping anyway in Imperial City districts and sewers. I see groups of people still running around and it doesn't take me long to realize which guild is involved just tabbing over names.

You want me to name some of the dozen of DC and AD guild running a 16men group ? sure thing.

AD : Misfitz, Decibel, TKO (double raid), Hello Kitty, RAGE, DiG and there is another one I can't remember which has Knights in their name.

DC : Nemesis which is now KHoles, Chuck Norris, TFL and Vehemence.

Regarding the farming of your end game gear, I was reffering to vr15 gear. If you expect people to not get involved in Cyrodiil until everybody is all vr16 5 pieces, you can keep dreaming. But vr15 5pieces with one or two pieces vr16 is realistic at this point. If you don't have it, you are just slacking. Anyway, even if that would not be the case, there is no reason to expect people to not play in Cyrodiil and stay in IC. Some people don't like the pve aspects of IC and play only to have pvp action without mobs interfering in every single fight and I respect that.

None of the guilds you listed run 16 man groups except for Decibel. RAGE rarely has over 12, and KHoles as far as I'm concerned more than often has around 8. Chuck Norris runs like 2 raids, TFL, VE, Misfitz all run 24. The rest aren't even worth mentioning and are zerg guilds.

Funny how you mention that "none of the guilds you listed run a 16 men group" yet you mention 6guilds in your exception list. KHoles runs a 16men group nowadays. Maybe RAGE doesn't run it anymore but pre IC, they did it everyday. TKO IS worth mentioning since they all spam steel tornado 5-6k hit, run 10 barriers and know how to pvedoor a keep in 2mins.

This being said, compared to only two organized guilds in EP, we can safely conclude that AD and DC has way more organisation and population and if their wish is to control Cyrodiil, they can do it anytime they feel for it which make this thread totally useless in the first place.

See you out there.

This is just not true at all frozn. There are plenty of ep guilds that frankly are not skilled enough/play at the right time for anyone to know their name, but they run huge group. In Azuras last update there was a EP (Based on their names alot of them where from Japan or other Similar time zones) group that capped the map almost every morning with a 24 man. Then there was another that guild that zerg balled hard enough to make tko proud. Just because you do not know the guilds does not mean they do not exist. Heck the other day a EP trade guild was taking fare to secure there TV stone farming, and there was no one to fight them off. There is a reason that EP controls most of the Campaign Maps. Who ever brings the most people to the battle wins, and EP has the most people to pull from.

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Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

Ha ha, hold on, let me make my point bigger so you can stop missing it so badly!

• Nobody cares about the map right now because they are just trying to get geared up.
• Taking the whole map either means some folks in your faction don't understand what's going on, or are being incredibly unsportsmanlike.
• While it did seem there were fewer EP for a month or so, that is clearly no longer the case. Actually let's take it a step further, it literally can't be the case, because of math. We're all pop-locked almost all the time on all servers, and unless EP poplock < (AD poplock || DC poplock) then there are exactly the same number of folks running around on every faction.
• Everyone familiar with Cyro can recognize when someone is trying to set up a farm.
• Nobody wants to bother mustering the forces to deal with two giant EP groups while the current meta is to ignore fights and gear up.
• You're only adding about two minutes to our run to the sewer entrance, everyone familiar with Cyro will choose ignoring you over engaging you and getting farmed by two giant EP groups.

I really have no idea where you're getting info regarding the number of 16+ member groups per alliance. Well, I have an idea, but I'd prefer not to tarnish to forums with that kind of language. Suffice to say, you are incorrect.

Point is, people aren't going to sit around getting farmed in overland Cyro when there are no benefits and when they could actually be accomplishing some measurable goal, like getting geared up. You can keep being a party to or complacent with unsportsmanlike conduct, but everyone else can keep ignoring and avoiding you. Ironically, the one thing I dislike about Imperial City (how easy it is to avoid fighting) is the best tool to punish naughty players.

Nobody minds you keeping emp for the health buffs, if you really need the help for the IC PvE grind then by all means, go for it. But if you're trying to provoke people into getting farmed by an emp group and a giant support group, you're straight out of luck.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil since 2weeks ago. You can keep blaming me for my "unsporstmanlike conduct" without even knowing who I am if that please you, but do it outside of these forums, ty.

Regarding the 16men organized groups (who know what they're doing) running out there. I don't know any groups other than Nexus, GoS and Havoc in EP. Havoc haven't been running 16 in quite some time though. SwP are getting better but they still have alot to learn even tho they have the numbers. Sotp also could use more solid players. They used to be much better (in my opinion).

I won't even start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds out there running 16-40 men groups which make it really hard to compete for EP even at primetime.

Once again, it is your call if you wanna play in IC but people won't stop playing in Cyrodiil only to make sure that the map stays balanced up there. C'mon now. People still want to be emperor as much as before and most people I know already have their full 5pieces vr15+ and yes they have a full time job and a family. If you are still farming gear at this time, it probably means that you don't know how to do it or you are farming to make gold out of it, which is fine. But the war won't hold only for your greedy needs.

You talk about giant EP groups running around like only EP does that which is another huge mistake of alot of folks who speak their mind in the forums. Every single faction has large groups.

You say "I am incorrect", yet you bring no facts and no proofs on the table other than speculating with your own experiences and opinions.

If you haven't been in Cyro for two weeks then I think we found the problem. The way you were phrasing things made me think you were actually fighting, my apologies. Either way, I very clearly wasn't singling you out specifically. I'm referring only to the reds who are grabbing the gate keeps. If you aren't part of that, you don't need to defend yourself.

If you won't start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds running 16-40, it might be because you don't actually know any. You can't be away for two weeks, especially not with the new PvP DLC out, and expect to have a grasp of the current situation. I'm not sure what Crown and Hello Kitty are running around with, but Deci for instance hasn't been fielding more than 16 for weeks. And if you're counting pug wrangler groups among the "organized" then that's your call, but on AD we hold dedicated PvP guilds to a higher standard than what's expected of the newer players.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people being emp or whatever, that's not even on most peoples' minds right now. I feel like you're still not understanding where people's priorities are at the moment. And unless you know like two people, "most people" you know don't have their full end-game V16 sets yet. Sure, there might be a bunch with V15 gear, but that's not actual end-game gear. This might be your two weeks away talking again, but it takes literally 10 times as many resources to get V16 versions of things versus V15, so yeah, a lot of people who know plenty well what they're doing are still farming for materials.

I never said anything about EP being the only one running in giant groups. There's a huge difference between running in giant groups in Cyro, though, and running in the Imperial City. Probably your two weeks away talking, but with almost 100% of any given faction's playerbase focused on the Imperial City and getting geared, whatever faction does decide to go out in force is going to easily steamroll over the 3 people on the other two factions who aren't in the city yet.

Yes, you are incorrect regarding being the underdog faction, but no, it's not a matter of speculation, personal experience, or opinion. I'm not sure if you missed the part where I proved it's impossible for pop-locked factions to have number imbalances, but if you need it again then here we go : unless EP poplock is less than AD poplock or DC poplock, the numbers fielded by each faction on fully poplocked campaigns are going to be equal. Also, it's a little peculiar to get accused of bias and speculation by someone who hasn't even been in PvP for two weeks.

Really I don't even know why you have a stake in the argument, it seems like you're making accusations just for the sake of being hostile. If you want to come back to Cyro, cool, I look forward to seeing you in the city, or on the battlefield after I'm geared up, but if not then this conversation doesn't actually involve you.

Another mistake here, you assume that since I haven't been in Cyrodiil, I have no idea of what is going on. I do have contacts and I do keep a close eye on population bars across all the campaigns and even though EP got a major increase in population since IC came out, the overall population of all the campaigns keep DC and AD way ahead. Not only organisation wise but population wise.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil for 2weeks, that's a fact but I have been pvping anyway in Imperial City districts and sewers. I see groups of people still running around and it doesn't take me long to realize which guild is involved just tabbing over names.

You want me to name some of the dozen of DC and AD guild running a 16men group ? sure thing.

AD : Misfitz, Decibel, TKO (double raid), Hello Kitty, RAGE, DiG and there is another one I can't remember which has Knights in their name.

DC : Nemesis which is now KHoles, Chuck Norris, TFL and Vehemence.

Regarding the farming of your end game gear, I was reffering to vr15 gear. If you expect people to not get involved in Cyrodiil until everybody is all vr16 5 pieces, you can keep dreaming. But vr15 5pieces with one or two pieces vr16 is realistic at this point. If you don't have it, you are just slacking. Anyway, even if that would not be the case, there is no reason to expect people to not play in Cyrodiil and stay in IC. Some people don't like the pve aspects of IC and play only to have pvp action without mobs interfering in every single fight and I respect that.

How on earth are you getting DC and AD as being "way ahead" on population bars? Like are you sure you aren't on EU server by accident? Poplock is poplock, so unless there's some kind of variation at 4 AM I'm not witnessing I'm pretty sure the campaigns have been incredibly even. Either way, you're still not getting that AD and DC don't care about the map right now. And apparently you don't either if you're only doing things in IC? So the point of your argument is...?

Strange, you went from "dozens" to only six AD guilds, some of which are overlapping players. Never mind the only four DC guilds. It's like enumerating the facts washes away all pretense and hyperbole.

I don't expect people to not try to get involved in Cyro until folks have at least some semblance of max level gear, I'm saying that any efforts to provoke PvP are going to be have negligible success until folks are better geared up. It's not like DC or AD have had a problem crushing EP in the past, it's that we have absolutely no interest engaging overland Cyro until we're through the grind. It's not happening currently and it's not going to happen. That's the point of the thread. If you're satisfied with your gear then go dance around Bloodmayne and Black Boot some more, the rest of us are going to be busy getting the actual end-game outfits. It's as simple as that.

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Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

Ha ha, hold on, let me make my point bigger so you can stop missing it so badly!

• Nobody cares about the map right now because they are just trying to get geared up.
• Taking the whole map either means some folks in your faction don't understand what's going on, or are being incredibly unsportsmanlike.
• While it did seem there were fewer EP for a month or so, that is clearly no longer the case. Actually let's take it a step further, it literally can't be the case, because of math. We're all pop-locked almost all the time on all servers, and unless EP poplock < (AD poplock || DC poplock) then there are exactly the same number of folks running around on every faction.
• Everyone familiar with Cyro can recognize when someone is trying to set up a farm.
• Nobody wants to bother mustering the forces to deal with two giant EP groups while the current meta is to ignore fights and gear up.
• You're only adding about two minutes to our run to the sewer entrance, everyone familiar with Cyro will choose ignoring you over engaging you and getting farmed by two giant EP groups.

I really have no idea where you're getting info regarding the number of 16+ member groups per alliance. Well, I have an idea, but I'd prefer not to tarnish to forums with that kind of language. Suffice to say, you are incorrect.

Point is, people aren't going to sit around getting farmed in overland Cyro when there are no benefits and when they could actually be accomplishing some measurable goal, like getting geared up. You can keep being a party to or complacent with unsportsmanlike conduct, but everyone else can keep ignoring and avoiding you. Ironically, the one thing I dislike about Imperial City (how easy it is to avoid fighting) is the best tool to punish naughty players.

Nobody minds you keeping emp for the health buffs, if you really need the help for the IC PvE grind then by all means, go for it. But if you're trying to provoke people into getting farmed by an emp group and a giant support group, you're straight out of luck.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil since 2weeks ago. You can keep blaming me for my "unsporstmanlike conduct" without even knowing who I am if that please you, but do it outside of these forums, ty.

Regarding the 16men organized groups (who know what they're doing) running out there. I don't know any groups other than Nexus, GoS and Havoc in EP. Havoc haven't been running 16 in quite some time though. SwP are getting better but they still have alot to learn even tho they have the numbers. Sotp also could use more solid players. They used to be much better (in my opinion).

I won't even start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds out there running 16-40 men groups which make it really hard to compete for EP even at primetime.

Once again, it is your call if you wanna play in IC but people won't stop playing in Cyrodiil only to make sure that the map stays balanced up there. C'mon now. People still want to be emperor as much as before and most people I know already have their full 5pieces vr15+ and yes they have a full time job and a family. If you are still farming gear at this time, it probably means that you don't know how to do it or you are farming to make gold out of it, which is fine. But the war won't hold only for your greedy needs.

You talk about giant EP groups running around like only EP does that which is another huge mistake of alot of folks who speak their mind in the forums. Every single faction has large groups.

You say "I am incorrect", yet you bring no facts and no proofs on the table other than speculating with your own experiences and opinions.

If you haven't been in Cyro for two weeks then I think we found the problem. The way you were phrasing things made me think you were actually fighting, my apologies. Either way, I very clearly wasn't singling you out specifically. I'm referring only to the reds who are grabbing the gate keeps. If you aren't part of that, you don't need to defend yourself.

If you won't start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds running 16-40, it might be because you don't actually know any. You can't be away for two weeks, especially not with the new PvP DLC out, and expect to have a grasp of the current situation. I'm not sure what Crown and Hello Kitty are running around with, but Deci for instance hasn't been fielding more than 16 for weeks. And if you're counting pug wrangler groups among the "organized" then that's your call, but on AD we hold dedicated PvP guilds to a higher standard than what's expected of the newer players.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people being emp or whatever, that's not even on most peoples' minds right now. I feel like you're still not understanding where people's priorities are at the moment. And unless you know like two people, "most people" you know don't have their full end-game V16 sets yet. Sure, there might be a bunch with V15 gear, but that's not actual end-game gear. This might be your two weeks away talking again, but it takes literally 10 times as many resources to get V16 versions of things versus V15, so yeah, a lot of people who know plenty well what they're doing are still farming for materials.

I never said anything about EP being the only one running in giant groups. There's a huge difference between running in giant groups in Cyro, though, and running in the Imperial City. Probably your two weeks away talking, but with almost 100% of any given faction's playerbase focused on the Imperial City and getting geared, whatever faction does decide to go out in force is going to easily steamroll over the 3 people on the other two factions who aren't in the city yet.

Yes, you are incorrect regarding being the underdog faction, but no, it's not a matter of speculation, personal experience, or opinion. I'm not sure if you missed the part where I proved it's impossible for pop-locked factions to have number imbalances, but if you need it again then here we go : unless EP poplock is less than AD poplock or DC poplock, the numbers fielded by each faction on fully poplocked campaigns are going to be equal. Also, it's a little peculiar to get accused of bias and speculation by someone who hasn't even been in PvP for two weeks.

Really I don't even know why you have a stake in the argument, it seems like you're making accusations just for the sake of being hostile. If you want to come back to Cyro, cool, I look forward to seeing you in the city, or on the battlefield after I'm geared up, but if not then this conversation doesn't actually involve you.

Another mistake here, you assume that since I haven't been in Cyrodiil, I have no idea of what is going on. I do have contacts and I do keep a close eye on population bars across all the campaigns and even though EP got a major increase in population since IC came out, the overall population of all the campaigns keep DC and AD way ahead. Not only organisation wise but population wise.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil for 2weeks, that's a fact but I have been pvping anyway in Imperial City districts and sewers. I see groups of people still running around and it doesn't take me long to realize which guild is involved just tabbing over names.

You want me to name some of the dozen of DC and AD guild running a 16men group ? sure thing.

AD : Misfitz, Decibel, TKO (double raid), Hello Kitty, RAGE, DiG and there is another one I can't remember which has Knights in their name.

DC : Nemesis which is now KHoles, Chuck Norris, TFL and Vehemence.

Regarding the farming of your end game gear, I was reffering to vr15 gear. If you expect people to not get involved in Cyrodiil until everybody is all vr16 5 pieces, you can keep dreaming. But vr15 5pieces with one or two pieces vr16 is realistic at this point. If you don't have it, you are just slacking. Anyway, even if that would not be the case, there is no reason to expect people to not play in Cyrodiil and stay in IC. Some people don't like the pve aspects of IC and play only to have pvp action without mobs interfering in every single fight and I respect that.

None of the guilds you listed run 16 man groups except for Decibel. RAGE rarely has over 12, and KHoles as far as I'm concerned more than often has around 8. Chuck Norris runs like 2 raids, TFL, VE, Misfitz all run 24. The rest aren't even worth mentioning and are zerg guilds.

Funny how you mention that "none of the guilds you listed run a 16 men group" yet you mention 6guilds in your exception list. KHoles runs a 16men group nowadays. Maybe RAGE doesn't run it anymore but pre IC, they did it everyday. TKO IS worth mentioning since they all spam steel tornado 5-6k hit, run 10 barriers and know how to pvedoor a keep in 2mins.

This being said, compared to only two organized guilds in EP, we can safely conclude that AD and DC has way more organisation and population and if their wish is to control Cyrodiil, they can do it anytime they feel for it which make this thread totally useless in the first place.

See you out there.

This is just not true at all frozn. There are plenty of ep guilds that frankly are not skilled enough/play at the right time for anyone to know their name, but they run huge group. In Azuras last update there was a EP (Based on their names alot of them where from Japan or other Similar time zones) group that capped the map almost every morning with a 24 man. Then there was another that guild that zerg balled hard enough to make tko proud. Just because you do not know the guilds does not mean they do not exist. Heck the other day a EP trade guild was taking fare to secure there TV stone farming, and there was no one to fight them off. There is a reason that EP controls most of the Campaign Maps. Who ever brings the most people to the battle wins, and EP has the most people to pull from.

If you would have read the whole conversation before talking, I did mentioned other EP guilds running large groups such as SwP and Sotp. But I also said that I was reffering to organized guilds who know what they're doing and who stand a chance against other competitive guilds. Those guilds still have alot to learn before they can get there. It is also the reason why I haven't mentioned other DC or AD 16men groups who run out there because they are obviously not of the same caliber.

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Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

Ha ha, hold on, let me make my point bigger so you can stop missing it so badly!

• Nobody cares about the map right now because they are just trying to get geared up.
• Taking the whole map either means some folks in your faction don't understand what's going on, or are being incredibly unsportsmanlike.
• While it did seem there were fewer EP for a month or so, that is clearly no longer the case. Actually let's take it a step further, it literally can't be the case, because of math. We're all pop-locked almost all the time on all servers, and unless EP poplock < (AD poplock || DC poplock) then there are exactly the same number of folks running around on every faction.
• Everyone familiar with Cyro can recognize when someone is trying to set up a farm.
• Nobody wants to bother mustering the forces to deal with two giant EP groups while the current meta is to ignore fights and gear up.
• You're only adding about two minutes to our run to the sewer entrance, everyone familiar with Cyro will choose ignoring you over engaging you and getting farmed by two giant EP groups.

I really have no idea where you're getting info regarding the number of 16+ member groups per alliance. Well, I have an idea, but I'd prefer not to tarnish to forums with that kind of language. Suffice to say, you are incorrect.

Point is, people aren't going to sit around getting farmed in overland Cyro when there are no benefits and when they could actually be accomplishing some measurable goal, like getting geared up. You can keep being a party to or complacent with unsportsmanlike conduct, but everyone else can keep ignoring and avoiding you. Ironically, the one thing I dislike about Imperial City (how easy it is to avoid fighting) is the best tool to punish naughty players.

Nobody minds you keeping emp for the health buffs, if you really need the help for the IC PvE grind then by all means, go for it. But if you're trying to provoke people into getting farmed by an emp group and a giant support group, you're straight out of luck.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil since 2weeks ago. You can keep blaming me for my "unsporstmanlike conduct" without even knowing who I am if that please you, but do it outside of these forums, ty.

Regarding the 16men organized groups (who know what they're doing) running out there. I don't know any groups other than Nexus, GoS and Havoc in EP. Havoc haven't been running 16 in quite some time though. SwP are getting better but they still have alot to learn even tho they have the numbers. Sotp also could use more solid players. They used to be much better (in my opinion).

I won't even start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds out there running 16-40 men groups which make it really hard to compete for EP even at primetime.

Once again, it is your call if you wanna play in IC but people won't stop playing in Cyrodiil only to make sure that the map stays balanced up there. C'mon now. People still want to be emperor as much as before and most people I know already have their full 5pieces vr15+ and yes they have a full time job and a family. If you are still farming gear at this time, it probably means that you don't know how to do it or you are farming to make gold out of it, which is fine. But the war won't hold only for your greedy needs.

You talk about giant EP groups running around like only EP does that which is another huge mistake of alot of folks who speak their mind in the forums. Every single faction has large groups.

You say "I am incorrect", yet you bring no facts and no proofs on the table other than speculating with your own experiences and opinions.

If you haven't been in Cyro for two weeks then I think we found the problem. The way you were phrasing things made me think you were actually fighting, my apologies. Either way, I very clearly wasn't singling you out specifically. I'm referring only to the reds who are grabbing the gate keeps. If you aren't part of that, you don't need to defend yourself.

If you won't start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds running 16-40, it might be because you don't actually know any. You can't be away for two weeks, especially not with the new PvP DLC out, and expect to have a grasp of the current situation. I'm not sure what Crown and Hello Kitty are running around with, but Deci for instance hasn't been fielding more than 16 for weeks. And if you're counting pug wrangler groups among the "organized" then that's your call, but on AD we hold dedicated PvP guilds to a higher standard than what's expected of the newer players.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people being emp or whatever, that's not even on most peoples' minds right now. I feel like you're still not understanding where people's priorities are at the moment. And unless you know like two people, "most people" you know don't have their full end-game V16 sets yet. Sure, there might be a bunch with V15 gear, but that's not actual end-game gear. This might be your two weeks away talking again, but it takes literally 10 times as many resources to get V16 versions of things versus V15, so yeah, a lot of people who know plenty well what they're doing are still farming for materials.

I never said anything about EP being the only one running in giant groups. There's a huge difference between running in giant groups in Cyro, though, and running in the Imperial City. Probably your two weeks away talking, but with almost 100% of any given faction's playerbase focused on the Imperial City and getting geared, whatever faction does decide to go out in force is going to easily steamroll over the 3 people on the other two factions who aren't in the city yet.

Yes, you are incorrect regarding being the underdog faction, but no, it's not a matter of speculation, personal experience, or opinion. I'm not sure if you missed the part where I proved it's impossible for pop-locked factions to have number imbalances, but if you need it again then here we go : unless EP poplock is less than AD poplock or DC poplock, the numbers fielded by each faction on fully poplocked campaigns are going to be equal. Also, it's a little peculiar to get accused of bias and speculation by someone who hasn't even been in PvP for two weeks.

Really I don't even know why you have a stake in the argument, it seems like you're making accusations just for the sake of being hostile. If you want to come back to Cyro, cool, I look forward to seeing you in the city, or on the battlefield after I'm geared up, but if not then this conversation doesn't actually involve you.

Another mistake here, you assume that since I haven't been in Cyrodiil, I have no idea of what is going on. I do have contacts and I do keep a close eye on population bars across all the campaigns and even though EP got a major increase in population since IC came out, the overall population of all the campaigns keep DC and AD way ahead. Not only organisation wise but population wise.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil for 2weeks, that's a fact but I have been pvping anyway in Imperial City districts and sewers. I see groups of people still running around and it doesn't take me long to realize which guild is involved just tabbing over names.

You want me to name some of the dozen of DC and AD guild running a 16men group ? sure thing.

AD : Misfitz, Decibel, TKO (double raid), Hello Kitty, RAGE, DiG and there is another one I can't remember which has Knights in their name.

DC : Nemesis which is now KHoles, Chuck Norris, TFL and Vehemence.

Regarding the farming of your end game gear, I was reffering to vr15 gear. If you expect people to not get involved in Cyrodiil until everybody is all vr16 5 pieces, you can keep dreaming. But vr15 5pieces with one or two pieces vr16 is realistic at this point. If you don't have it, you are just slacking. Anyway, even if that would not be the case, there is no reason to expect people to not play in Cyrodiil and stay in IC. Some people don't like the pve aspects of IC and play only to have pvp action without mobs interfering in every single fight and I respect that.

How on earth are you getting DC and AD as being "way ahead" on population bars? Like are you sure you aren't on EU server by accident? Poplock is poplock, so unless there's some kind of variation at 4 AM I'm not witnessing I'm pretty sure the campaigns have been incredibly even. Either way, you're still not getting that AD and DC don't care about the map right now. And apparently you don't either if you're only doing things in IC? So the point of your argument is...?

Strange, you went from "dozens" to only six AD guilds, some of which are overlapping players. Never mind the only four DC guilds. It's like enumerating the facts washes away all pretense and hyperbole.

I don't expect people to not try to get involved in Cyro until folks have at least some semblance of max level gear, I'm saying that any efforts to provoke PvP are going to be have negligible success until folks are better geared up. It's not like DC or AD have had a problem crushing EP in the past, it's that we have absolutely no interest engaging overland Cyro until we're through the grind. It's not happening currently and it's not going to happen. That's the point of the thread. If you're satisfied with your gear then go dance around Bloodmayne and Black Boot some more, the rest of us are going to be busy getting the actual end-game outfits. It's as simple as that.

Depending of the time of the day, AD and DC pull way ahead if you combine all population bars across all the campaigns. It's getting closer since IC came out but for the past 2months, EP was the least populated faction. I don't have the numbers but I check the populations regulary.

Once again, you are deforming my words to suit your will. I never said that AD ONLY was running a dozen of guilds. I was reffering to AD and DC combined against 2 EP guilds. I'm done discussing with you. You are just one of those guys who assume what I do and what I think without even knowing who I am.

Have fun grinding your v16 gear in sewers. EP will contest Cyrodiil in the meantime like all true dedicated pvper would do.

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Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

Ha ha, hold on, let me make my point bigger so you can stop missing it so badly!

• Nobody cares about the map right now because they are just trying to get geared up.
• Taking the whole map either means some folks in your faction don't understand what's going on, or are being incredibly unsportsmanlike.
• While it did seem there were fewer EP for a month or so, that is clearly no longer the case. Actually let's take it a step further, it literally can't be the case, because of math. We're all pop-locked almost all the time on all servers, and unless EP poplock < (AD poplock || DC poplock) then there are exactly the same number of folks running around on every faction.
• Everyone familiar with Cyro can recognize when someone is trying to set up a farm.
• Nobody wants to bother mustering the forces to deal with two giant EP groups while the current meta is to ignore fights and gear up.
• You're only adding about two minutes to our run to the sewer entrance, everyone familiar with Cyro will choose ignoring you over engaging you and getting farmed by two giant EP groups.

I really have no idea where you're getting info regarding the number of 16+ member groups per alliance. Well, I have an idea, but I'd prefer not to tarnish to forums with that kind of language. Suffice to say, you are incorrect.

Point is, people aren't going to sit around getting farmed in overland Cyro when there are no benefits and when they could actually be accomplishing some measurable goal, like getting geared up. You can keep being a party to or complacent with unsportsmanlike conduct, but everyone else can keep ignoring and avoiding you. Ironically, the one thing I dislike about Imperial City (how easy it is to avoid fighting) is the best tool to punish naughty players.

Nobody minds you keeping emp for the health buffs, if you really need the help for the IC PvE grind then by all means, go for it. But if you're trying to provoke people into getting farmed by an emp group and a giant support group, you're straight out of luck.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil since 2weeks ago. You can keep blaming me for my "unsporstmanlike conduct" without even knowing who I am if that please you, but do it outside of these forums, ty.

Regarding the 16men organized groups (who know what they're doing) running out there. I don't know any groups other than Nexus, GoS and Havoc in EP. Havoc haven't been running 16 in quite some time though. SwP are getting better but they still have alot to learn even tho they have the numbers. Sotp also could use more solid players. They used to be much better (in my opinion).

I won't even start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds out there running 16-40 men groups which make it really hard to compete for EP even at primetime.

Once again, it is your call if you wanna play in IC but people won't stop playing in Cyrodiil only to make sure that the map stays balanced up there. C'mon now. People still want to be emperor as much as before and most people I know already have their full 5pieces vr15+ and yes they have a full time job and a family. If you are still farming gear at this time, it probably means that you don't know how to do it or you are farming to make gold out of it, which is fine. But the war won't hold only for your greedy needs.

You talk about giant EP groups running around like only EP does that which is another huge mistake of alot of folks who speak their mind in the forums. Every single faction has large groups.

You say "I am incorrect", yet you bring no facts and no proofs on the table other than speculating with your own experiences and opinions.

If you haven't been in Cyro for two weeks then I think we found the problem. The way you were phrasing things made me think you were actually fighting, my apologies. Either way, I very clearly wasn't singling you out specifically. I'm referring only to the reds who are grabbing the gate keeps. If you aren't part of that, you don't need to defend yourself.

If you won't start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds running 16-40, it might be because you don't actually know any. You can't be away for two weeks, especially not with the new PvP DLC out, and expect to have a grasp of the current situation. I'm not sure what Crown and Hello Kitty are running around with, but Deci for instance hasn't been fielding more than 16 for weeks. And if you're counting pug wrangler groups among the "organized" then that's your call, but on AD we hold dedicated PvP guilds to a higher standard than what's expected of the newer players.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people being emp or whatever, that's not even on most peoples' minds right now. I feel like you're still not understanding where people's priorities are at the moment. And unless you know like two people, "most people" you know don't have their full end-game V16 sets yet. Sure, there might be a bunch with V15 gear, but that's not actual end-game gear. This might be your two weeks away talking again, but it takes literally 10 times as many resources to get V16 versions of things versus V15, so yeah, a lot of people who know plenty well what they're doing are still farming for materials.

I never said anything about EP being the only one running in giant groups. There's a huge difference between running in giant groups in Cyro, though, and running in the Imperial City. Probably your two weeks away talking, but with almost 100% of any given faction's playerbase focused on the Imperial City and getting geared, whatever faction does decide to go out in force is going to easily steamroll over the 3 people on the other two factions who aren't in the city yet.

Yes, you are incorrect regarding being the underdog faction, but no, it's not a matter of speculation, personal experience, or opinion. I'm not sure if you missed the part where I proved it's impossible for pop-locked factions to have number imbalances, but if you need it again then here we go : unless EP poplock is less than AD poplock or DC poplock, the numbers fielded by each faction on fully poplocked campaigns are going to be equal. Also, it's a little peculiar to get accused of bias and speculation by someone who hasn't even been in PvP for two weeks.

Really I don't even know why you have a stake in the argument, it seems like you're making accusations just for the sake of being hostile. If you want to come back to Cyro, cool, I look forward to seeing you in the city, or on the battlefield after I'm geared up, but if not then this conversation doesn't actually involve you.

Another mistake here, you assume that since I haven't been in Cyrodiil, I have no idea of what is going on. I do have contacts and I do keep a close eye on population bars across all the campaigns and even though EP got a major increase in population since IC came out, the overall population of all the campaigns keep DC and AD way ahead. Not only organisation wise but population wise.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil for 2weeks, that's a fact but I have been pvping anyway in Imperial City districts and sewers. I see groups of people still running around and it doesn't take me long to realize which guild is involved just tabbing over names.

You want me to name some of the dozen of DC and AD guild running a 16men group ? sure thing.

AD : Misfitz, Decibel, TKO (double raid), Hello Kitty, RAGE, DiG and there is another one I can't remember which has Knights in their name.

DC : Nemesis which is now KHoles, Chuck Norris, TFL and Vehemence.

Regarding the farming of your end game gear, I was reffering to vr15 gear. If you expect people to not get involved in Cyrodiil until everybody is all vr16 5 pieces, you can keep dreaming. But vr15 5pieces with one or two pieces vr16 is realistic at this point. If you don't have it, you are just slacking. Anyway, even if that would not be the case, there is no reason to expect people to not play in Cyrodiil and stay in IC. Some people don't like the pve aspects of IC and play only to have pvp action without mobs interfering in every single fight and I respect that.

None of the guilds you listed run 16 man groups except for Decibel. RAGE rarely has over 12, and KHoles as far as I'm concerned more than often has around 8. Chuck Norris runs like 2 raids, TFL, VE, Misfitz all run 24. The rest aren't even worth mentioning and are zerg guilds.

Funny how you mention that "none of the guilds you listed run a 16 men group" yet you mention 6guilds in your exception list. KHoles runs a 16men group nowadays. Maybe RAGE doesn't run it anymore but pre IC, they did it everyday. TKO IS worth mentioning since they all spam steel tornado 5-6k hit, run 10 barriers and know how to pvedoor a keep in 2mins.

This being said, compared to only two organized guilds in EP, we can safely conclude that AD and DC has way more organisation and population and if their wish is to control Cyrodiil, they can do it anytime they feel for it which make this thread totally useless in the first place.

See you out there.

This is just not true at all frozn. There are plenty of ep guilds that frankly are not skilled enough/play at the right time for anyone to know their name, but they run huge group. In Azuras last update there was a EP (Based on their names alot of them where from Japan or other Similar time zones) group that capped the map almost every morning with a 24 man. Then there was another that guild that zerg balled hard enough to make tko proud. Just because you do not know the guilds does not mean they do not exist. Heck the other day a EP trade guild was taking fare to secure there TV stone farming, and there was no one to fight them off. There is a reason that EP controls most of the Campaign Maps. Who ever brings the most people to the battle wins, and EP has the most people to pull from.

If you would have read the whole conversation before talking, I did mentioned other EP guilds running large groups such as SwP and Sotp. But I also said that I was reffering to organized guilds who know what they're doing and who stand a chance against other competitive guilds. Those guilds still have alot to learn before they can get there. It is also the reason why I haven't mentioned other DC or AD 16men groups who run out there because they are obviously not of the same caliber.

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Recremen wrote: »

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Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

Ha ha, hold on, let me make my point bigger so you can stop missing it so badly!

• Nobody cares about the map right now because they are just trying to get geared up.
• Taking the whole map either means some folks in your faction don't understand what's going on, or are being incredibly unsportsmanlike.
• While it did seem there were fewer EP for a month or so, that is clearly no longer the case. Actually let's take it a step further, it literally can't be the case, because of math. We're all pop-locked almost all the time on all servers, and unless EP poplock < (AD poplock || DC poplock) then there are exactly the same number of folks running around on every faction.
• Everyone familiar with Cyro can recognize when someone is trying to set up a farm.
• Nobody wants to bother mustering the forces to deal with two giant EP groups while the current meta is to ignore fights and gear up.
• You're only adding about two minutes to our run to the sewer entrance, everyone familiar with Cyro will choose ignoring you over engaging you and getting farmed by two giant EP groups.

I really have no idea where you're getting info regarding the number of 16+ member groups per alliance. Well, I have an idea, but I'd prefer not to tarnish to forums with that kind of language. Suffice to say, you are incorrect.

Point is, people aren't going to sit around getting farmed in overland Cyro when there are no benefits and when they could actually be accomplishing some measurable goal, like getting geared up. You can keep being a party to or complacent with unsportsmanlike conduct, but everyone else can keep ignoring and avoiding you. Ironically, the one thing I dislike about Imperial City (how easy it is to avoid fighting) is the best tool to punish naughty players.

Nobody minds you keeping emp for the health buffs, if you really need the help for the IC PvE grind then by all means, go for it. But if you're trying to provoke people into getting farmed by an emp group and a giant support group, you're straight out of luck.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil since 2weeks ago. You can keep blaming me for my "unsporstmanlike conduct" without even knowing who I am if that please you, but do it outside of these forums, ty.

Regarding the 16men organized groups (who know what they're doing) running out there. I don't know any groups other than Nexus, GoS and Havoc in EP. Havoc haven't been running 16 in quite some time though. SwP are getting better but they still have alot to learn even tho they have the numbers. Sotp also could use more solid players. They used to be much better (in my opinion).

I won't even start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds out there running 16-40 men groups which make it really hard to compete for EP even at primetime.

Once again, it is your call if you wanna play in IC but people won't stop playing in Cyrodiil only to make sure that the map stays balanced up there. C'mon now. People still want to be emperor as much as before and most people I know already have their full 5pieces vr15+ and yes they have a full time job and a family. If you are still farming gear at this time, it probably means that you don't know how to do it or you are farming to make gold out of it, which is fine. But the war won't hold only for your greedy needs.

You talk about giant EP groups running around like only EP does that which is another huge mistake of alot of folks who speak their mind in the forums. Every single faction has large groups.

You say "I am incorrect", yet you bring no facts and no proofs on the table other than speculating with your own experiences and opinions.

If you haven't been in Cyro for two weeks then I think we found the problem. The way you were phrasing things made me think you were actually fighting, my apologies. Either way, I very clearly wasn't singling you out specifically. I'm referring only to the reds who are grabbing the gate keeps. If you aren't part of that, you don't need to defend yourself.

If you won't start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds running 16-40, it might be because you don't actually know any. You can't be away for two weeks, especially not with the new PvP DLC out, and expect to have a grasp of the current situation. I'm not sure what Crown and Hello Kitty are running around with, but Deci for instance hasn't been fielding more than 16 for weeks. And if you're counting pug wrangler groups among the "organized" then that's your call, but on AD we hold dedicated PvP guilds to a higher standard than what's expected of the newer players.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people being emp or whatever, that's not even on most peoples' minds right now. I feel like you're still not understanding where people's priorities are at the moment. And unless you know like two people, "most people" you know don't have their full end-game V16 sets yet. Sure, there might be a bunch with V15 gear, but that's not actual end-game gear. This might be your two weeks away talking again, but it takes literally 10 times as many resources to get V16 versions of things versus V15, so yeah, a lot of people who know plenty well what they're doing are still farming for materials.

I never said anything about EP being the only one running in giant groups. There's a huge difference between running in giant groups in Cyro, though, and running in the Imperial City. Probably your two weeks away talking, but with almost 100% of any given faction's playerbase focused on the Imperial City and getting geared, whatever faction does decide to go out in force is going to easily steamroll over the 3 people on the other two factions who aren't in the city yet.

Yes, you are incorrect regarding being the underdog faction, but no, it's not a matter of speculation, personal experience, or opinion. I'm not sure if you missed the part where I proved it's impossible for pop-locked factions to have number imbalances, but if you need it again then here we go : unless EP poplock is less than AD poplock or DC poplock, the numbers fielded by each faction on fully poplocked campaigns are going to be equal. Also, it's a little peculiar to get accused of bias and speculation by someone who hasn't even been in PvP for two weeks.

Really I don't even know why you have a stake in the argument, it seems like you're making accusations just for the sake of being hostile. If you want to come back to Cyro, cool, I look forward to seeing you in the city, or on the battlefield after I'm geared up, but if not then this conversation doesn't actually involve you.

Another mistake here, you assume that since I haven't been in Cyrodiil, I have no idea of what is going on. I do have contacts and I do keep a close eye on population bars across all the campaigns and even though EP got a major increase in population since IC came out, the overall population of all the campaigns keep DC and AD way ahead. Not only organisation wise but population wise.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil for 2weeks, that's a fact but I have been pvping anyway in Imperial City districts and sewers. I see groups of people still running around and it doesn't take me long to realize which guild is involved just tabbing over names.

You want me to name some of the dozen of DC and AD guild running a 16men group ? sure thing.

AD : Misfitz, Decibel, TKO (double raid), Hello Kitty, RAGE, DiG and there is another one I can't remember which has Knights in their name.

DC : Nemesis which is now KHoles, Chuck Norris, TFL and Vehemence.

Regarding the farming of your end game gear, I was reffering to vr15 gear. If you expect people to not get involved in Cyrodiil until everybody is all vr16 5 pieces, you can keep dreaming. But vr15 5pieces with one or two pieces vr16 is realistic at this point. If you don't have it, you are just slacking. Anyway, even if that would not be the case, there is no reason to expect people to not play in Cyrodiil and stay in IC. Some people don't like the pve aspects of IC and play only to have pvp action without mobs interfering in every single fight and I respect that.

How on earth are you getting DC and AD as being "way ahead" on population bars? Like are you sure you aren't on EU server by accident? Poplock is poplock, so unless there's some kind of variation at 4 AM I'm not witnessing I'm pretty sure the campaigns have been incredibly even. Either way, you're still not getting that AD and DC don't care about the map right now. And apparently you don't either if you're only doing things in IC? So the point of your argument is...?

Strange, you went from "dozens" to only six AD guilds, some of which are overlapping players. Never mind the only four DC guilds. It's like enumerating the facts washes away all pretense and hyperbole.

I don't expect people to not try to get involved in Cyro until folks have at least some semblance of max level gear, I'm saying that any efforts to provoke PvP are going to be have negligible success until folks are better geared up. It's not like DC or AD have had a problem crushing EP in the past, it's that we have absolutely no interest engaging overland Cyro until we're through the grind. It's not happening currently and it's not going to happen. That's the point of the thread. If you're satisfied with your gear then go dance around Bloodmayne and Black Boot some more, the rest of us are going to be busy getting the actual end-game outfits. It's as simple as that.

Depending of the time of the day, AD and DC pull way ahead if you combine all population bars across all the campaigns. It's getting closer since IC came out but for the past 2months, EP was the least populated faction. I don't have the numbers but I check the populations regulary.

Once again, you are deforming my words to suit your will. I never said that AD ONLY was running a dozen of guilds. I was reffering to AD and DC combined against 2 EP guilds. I'm done discussing with you. You are just one of those guys who assume what I do and what I think without even knowing who I am.

Have fun grinding your v16 gear in sewers. EP will contest Cyrodiil in the meantime like all true dedicated pvper would do.

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More accusations directed at individual factions. Go to some other campaigns and you'll find both DC and AD pvp guilds doing the exact same thing, both in and out of Cyrodiil. It's not news, the meta and target caps provide huge bonuses to those stacking 24-40+. There's an AD and a DC guild in Azura's alone that run nightly groups of this size, the AD one stacks with multiple guilds and pvdoors the map with 50-70 people and emp everyday. We've tried 12v50'ing them and it simply is not possible with the current meta, even in choke points 12 people with 1-2 fps can never outplay 50 with 1-2 fps.

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Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

Two of those maps are being held by one guild, because that guild has emp on both maps.

You cant expect us to just walk away from our own guildies can you?

Besides the whole trueflame thing was just so zaz could complete his emp collection, the real server we homed on is thorn.

As for the others, I couldnt tell you, but honestly i just want glorious combat everywhere, and all ive seen for the last week is people doing their damndest to avoid pvp. We literally dethroned an emp and crowned one yesterday vs a three bar pop blue faction on thorn.... and not a single blue fought us until the last keep. not one.

Nightcapping, day capping, pvdoor galore because no one really defends anything, all they do is zerg the sewers (dude you were there for one of those yellow v red clashes in the sewer last night GoS vs like ALL of AD)

Other than that, there really is no PvP right now, and its sad as hell.

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Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

Two of those maps are being held by one guild, because that guild has emp on both maps.

You cant expect us to just walk away from our own guildies can you?

Besides the whole trueflame thing was just so zaz could complete his emp collection, the real server we homed on is thorn.

As for the others, I couldnt tell you, but honestly i just want glorious combat everywhere, and all ive seen for the last week is people doing their damndest to avoid pvp. We literally dethroned an emp and crowned one yesterday vs a three bar pop blue faction on thorn.... and not a single blue fought us until the last keep. not one.

Nightcapping, day capping, pvdoor galore because no one really defends anything, all they do is zerg the sewers (dude you were there for one of those yellow v red clashes in the sewer last night GoS vs like ALL of AD)

Other than that, there really is no PvP right now, and its sad as hell.

Well youre a so called pvp guild, and youre on Thornblade? Dont make me laugh lol enjoy your pvdoor along with that other so called pvp guild who just moved there to fight expers, Alacrity, we are enjoying the pvp on the real servers with the real pvp guilds

Wut? I didn't think Alacrity was a thing anymore.... anyways we're not on Thornblade at the moment, we just happen to have a guild member that's emperor there. Wait.... are you calling Alacrity an EP guild? I'm so confused by your comment.

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Rylana wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

Two of those maps are being held by one guild, because that guild has emp on both maps.

You cant expect us to just walk away from our own guildies can you?

Besides the whole trueflame thing was just so zaz could complete his emp collection, the real server we homed on is thorn.

As for the others, I couldnt tell you, but honestly i just want glorious combat everywhere, and all ive seen for the last week is people doing their damndest to avoid pvp. We literally dethroned an emp and crowned one yesterday vs a three bar pop blue faction on thorn.... and not a single blue fought us until the last keep. not one.

Nightcapping, day capping, pvdoor galore because no one really defends anything, all they do is zerg the sewers (dude you were there for one of those yellow v red clashes in the sewer last night GoS vs like ALL of AD)

Other than that, there really is no PvP right now, and its sad as hell.

Well youre a so called pvp guild, and youre on Thornblade? Dont make me laugh lol enjoy your pvdoor along with that other so called pvp guild who just moved there to fight expers, Alacrity, we are enjoying the pvp on the real servers with the real pvp guilds

vortexman11 wrote: »

Wut? I didn't think Alacrity was a thing anymore.... anyways we're not on Thornblade at the moment, we just happen to have a guild member that's emperor there.

Diamond_10 wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

Wut? I didn't think Alacrity was a thing anymore.... anyways we're not on Thornblade at the moment, we just happen to have a guild member that's emperor there.

Ah that explains why Alacrity were running 20 deep in Thornblade sewers last night ganking 3 man exp groups!

frozywozy wrote: »

I won't even start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds out there running 16-40 men groups which make it really hard to compete for EP even at primetime.

frozywozy wrote: »

If you would have read the whole conversation before talking, I did mentioned other EP guilds running large groups such as SwP and Sotp. But I also said that I was reffering to organized guilds who know what they're doing and who stand a chance against other competitive guilds. Those guilds still have alot to learn before they can get there. It is also the reason why I haven't mentioned other DC or AD 16men groups who run out there because they are obviously not of the same caliber.