When you're finding there is only PVDoor right now, why keep pushing other factions back to gates? Let everyone do their grinds and get geared up and then the fighting will start again.

EP took the map on Chill and I ended up not feeding my horse for 3 days because I didn't feel like making the run. I have too many mats to farm to make my new set to be bothered with that.

Psilent wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When you're finding there is only PVDoor right now, why keep pushing other factions back to gates? Let everyone do their grinds and get geared up and then the fighting will start again.

EP took the map on Chill and I ended up not feeding my horse for 3 days because I didn't feel like making the run. I have too many mats to farm to make my new set to be bothered with that.

I understand and if I was in your situation, I'd be saying the same thing. However, the Emperors on those campaigns have no idea if your taking of Fort Ash or Castle Alessia is just for IC access or the beginning of a dethrone. If I'm online I help defend my guildmates Emperorship.

However, waiting to see if another Emp fort gets burst will give a much better indication if a dethrone is about to be attempted. Another Emp fort gets flagged? You get some action, huzzah! Forts stay quiet after first one taken? You keep Emp, huzzah!

Win-Win.

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

So Zazebra and his guild of shadows (the enemy organization Sean Connery fought in the movie league of extraordinary gentlemen?) are the new flavor of the month for the Ebonfart Fact? Hail Zazebra, praise Zazebra, Zazebra the almighty.... This is the kind of bull[snip] you going to smear all over cyrodiil and imperial city? Instead of everyone all cuddled up in zazebra's kangaroo pouch why don't you all wake up, turn off the reruns of Crocodile Dundee, dump the cans of warm Foster's out, and start hailing and praising people who deserve it like FENGRUSH.

And just like in presidential elections where the candidates' super pacs get out there and promote, it's time I promoted FENGRUSH. That's right, FENGRUSH! The only twitch stream worth seeing for ESO. His haircut is always fresh and his beard always shaped. He wears v neck t-shirts while devouring EP and crapping out bunnies, kittens, and gerbils.

Do you like Kanye West? Is Fengrush your Byounce? Is Zaz Swift? Does life imitate art or art imitate life?

Psilent wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When you're finding there is only PVDoor right now, why keep pushing other factions back to gates? Let everyone do their grinds and get geared up and then the fighting will start again.

EP took the map on Chill and I ended up not feeding my horse for 3 days because I didn't feel like making the run. I have too many mats to farm to make my new set to be bothered with that.

I understand and if I was in your situation, I'd be saying the same thing. However, the Emperors on those campaigns have no idea if your taking of Fort Ash or Castle Alessia is just for IC access or the beginning of a dethrone. If I'm online I help defend my guildmates Emperorship.

I'm not talking about emp keeps. I'm talking about pushing to the gates. There was no reason on Chill for EP to take Glade, Rayles, and Warden after they got our scrolls.

Recremen wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

Two of those maps are being held by one guild, because that guild has emp on both maps.

You cant expect us to just walk away from our own guildies can you?

Besides the whole trueflame thing was just so zaz could complete his emp collection, the real server we homed on is thorn.

As for the others, I couldnt tell you, but honestly i just want glorious combat everywhere, and all ive seen for the last week is people doing their damndest to avoid pvp. We literally dethroned an emp and crowned one yesterday vs a three bar pop blue faction on thorn.... and not a single blue fought us until the last keep. not one.

Nightcapping, day capping, pvdoor galore because no one really defends anything, all they do is zerg the sewers (dude you were there for one of those yellow v red clashes in the sewer last night GoS vs like ALL of AD)

Other than that, there really is no PvP right now, and its sad as hell.

Last night was supposed to be just me and a handful of decibuds getting the rest of our group acclimated to the sewers, the districts, etc. (I believe the most we had in group was 15), but yeah there were a lot of other yellow about doing the sewer center and such. By the time we were doing the districts Deci was down to about 9 or so, so we followed along with the zergbeasts to protect against the massive red and blue groups in the area. Obviously not something we want to do on the steady, but some of our longer-time aways were still asking questions like "why am I healing for only half as much??" ;-) So please forgive us as we go through an adjustment period, we'll be back to handling 20 opponents with a 10-person group in no time.

I would be more than happy to help organize a few nights of more even battles in the Imperial City with your crew if you're interested, we're all bored out of our skulls with the pointlessly long PvE grind, too. Hit any member of Deci up and we'll all do our part to pass it along and get at least a little fighting in, even if our gear is crap for the time being.

Now, as for overland Cyro, if the three gate keeps have suddenly become a requirement for capping emp, please let me know. It seems like some important information. And I of course would never begrudge someone wanting to defend emp for their guildies, this is an important part of healthy guild dynamics and friendly competition. Curious, though, that it's worth holding on an empty overland map with zero defenders, and while everyone is clearly preoccupied with getting geared up. 0=)

My whole point wasnt to call you out specifically, i was mentioning i saw you there was all. My point was is we cant find PvP. Everywhere we go, people just run away and go to the sewers, then we find them there, they run to overland. We go back out, they run to sewers.

its like they just want to avoid actually fighting, but once they outnumber us 3-1 oh hell lets take as much as we can and then vanish the moment they get wiped once or twice

-.-

frustrating

It has been an hilarious sight to witness a couple of EP raids to pvdoor a keep in an empty Cyrodiil. Went to check Alessia on my way to IC as it was attacked by EP in True Flame NA. The side wall was down already. There was no AD so I thought I will stay inside and try to see their numbers. Both flags were taken by a dozen of EP. I took my leave. Went upstairs of Alessia. There were more EP there. Went back down and through the breach. There were more EP outside. At that point I wanted to get a far away from Alessia.

I am not sure whem there will be PvP in Cyrodiil but our EP is certainly all over Cyrodiil. Doing what they can...pvdooring Have fun I guess.

I guess I'm the only one who tries to do unthinkable, PvP in Cyrodiil! And reds deeply disgusted by my atrocity have to punish me by zerging me to death...

On serious note, every time I try to pvp I get zerged, usually by red, like seriousely you guys really need 60ppl?
I have to give credit to GoS for leaving our home keeps, which is undoable for red-bads on other campaigns who just want hoard entire map.

I much prefer Cyrodiil fights to IC, and come out often enough hoping that something is going on. The groups that are pushing AD back to our gates are not GoS, just a group of 10 or so of various levels who seem to enjoy being irritating. It takes 3 of us to kill those 10 repeatedly, and they just keep coming back. When they're not worth points anymore I go back to the sewers and they start the process again of taking Fare/BB/BM.

Recremen wrote: »

Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

booksmcread wrote: »

Gotta protect those

vortexman11 wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Eglath wrote: »

I guess I'm the only one who tries to do unthinkable, PvP in Cyrodiil! And reds deeply disgusted by my atrocity have to punish me by zerging me to death...

On serious note, every time I try to pvp I get zerged, usually by red, like seriousely you guys really need 60ppl?
I have to give credit to GoS for leaving our home keeps, which is undoable for red-bads on other campaigns who just want hoard entire map.

If gate keeps are taken with a GoS Emperor on the throne one of two things occurred.

1. Another guild or PuGs took them.

2. You pissed off Zazeer.

3. Theres an AD zerg on and we take Faregyl for Farmagyl purposes. Then proceed to take closer keeps if the AP keeps flowing.

Gotta protect those buff servers.

That's the problem. With the way things are now, all of the campaigns are the same buff servers. I heard someone who is a leader in one of the DC PVP guilds say "Well, since no one else is going to bother, I won't bother trying to take back our home keeps as I have better things to do than to be farmed." And then, he logged out of the game. At night, the campaign is poplocked and there is only 30 people in the DC trying to reclaim the home keeps. Everyone else is in IC. We still see two full zergs of reds and yellows running together taking everything. I wonder how long it will be before DC gives up completely and just goes to IC permanently. If you want to play, use the carrot on a stick, not steamroll everything.

And ZOS, maybe take AP gain off IC kills as you have people who have not been seen in Cyrodil leading in the leader boards due to the kills in IC. They are not helping the Alliance, just helping themselves farming PVErs in IC.

manny254 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

The faction with the largest pop is the underdog is the underdog in the new game meta where #'s mean more than skill?

I didn't realize that EP was the underdog? Azuras last campaign shows a very different story....plus the fact that all but one campaign are EP buff servers...

With AP being basically useless and no gated access to IC I don't have much motivation to defend or push for an emp right now. Couple that with the fact that most of the non PvP crowd is always in the IC and doesn't care about defending it doesn't leave much room for fresh PvP.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy PvPing with GoS but when you fight the same people every night and nobody else (save for the handful of pugs) it gets stale and boring. IC PvP is a little more interesting but getting the right group synergy when you have 20 people that want to play with can be boring and blobby.

PvP will even out eventually. It always does. Pops will shift or small groups will adapt (by either getting bigger or more creative). There are too many posts discussing blobs/zergs/pops out there that I'm getting redundant. Just be patient and it'll get better.

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

Ha ha, hold on, let me make my point bigger so you can stop missing it so badly!

• Nobody cares about the map right now because they are just trying to get geared up.
• Taking the whole map either means some folks in your faction don't understand what's going on, or are being incredibly unsportsmanlike.
• While it did seem there were fewer EP for a month or so, that is clearly no longer the case. Actually let's take it a step further, it literally can't be the case, because of math. We're all pop-locked almost all the time on all servers, and unless EP poplock < (AD poplock || DC poplock) then there are exactly the same number of folks running around on every faction.
• Everyone familiar with Cyro can recognize when someone is trying to set up a farm.
• Nobody wants to bother mustering the forces to deal with two giant EP groups while the current meta is to ignore fights and gear up.
• You're only adding about two minutes to our run to the sewer entrance, everyone familiar with Cyro will choose ignoring you over engaging you and getting farmed by two giant EP groups.

I really have no idea where you're getting info regarding the number of 16+ member groups per alliance. Well, I have an idea, but I'd prefer not to tarnish to forums with that kind of language. Suffice to say, you are incorrect.

Point is, people aren't going to sit around getting farmed in overland Cyro when there are no benefits and when they could actually be accomplishing some measurable goal, like getting geared up. You can keep being a party to or complacent with unsportsmanlike conduct, but everyone else can keep ignoring and avoiding you. Ironically, the one thing I dislike about Imperial City (how easy it is to avoid fighting) is the best tool to punish naughty players.

Nobody minds you keeping emp for the health buffs, if you really need the help for the IC PvE grind then by all means, go for it. But if you're trying to provoke people into getting farmed by an emp group and a giant support group, you're straight out of luck.

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Come on folks, chill out on the map. Everyone else is trying to suffer quietly through the arbitrarily long gear grind with some dignity intact, and you want to roll the whole map? On every server, if my sources can be trusted? Yeah, we're all bored of the slog and want to fight each other, but making it mildly more inconvenient to get to the city isn't going to solve the problem. You want a tussle, call your contacts in the other factions and organize it within the city for now. Overworld Cyro is just not on anyone's radar for a good while.

EP is the underdog since at least 2 months ago. If your alliance wanna take the map back, just go take it already and stop complaining. I have seen an increase of population in EP since IC but nothing comparable to the amount of organized groups running in AD and DC.

EP has 2 or 3 organized guilds of 16members+ running (who know what they're doing)
AD has at least 8 of them and DC has at least 6.

Stop your complaints and go get the map if you really want it.

Ha ha, hold on, let me make my point bigger so you can stop missing it so badly!

• Nobody cares about the map right now because they are just trying to get geared up.
• Taking the whole map either means some folks in your faction don't understand what's going on, or are being incredibly unsportsmanlike.
• While it did seem there were fewer EP for a month or so, that is clearly no longer the case. Actually let's take it a step further, it literally can't be the case, because of math. We're all pop-locked almost all the time on all servers, and unless EP poplock < (AD poplock || DC poplock) then there are exactly the same number of folks running around on every faction.
• Everyone familiar with Cyro can recognize when someone is trying to set up a farm.
• Nobody wants to bother mustering the forces to deal with two giant EP groups while the current meta is to ignore fights and gear up.
• You're only adding about two minutes to our run to the sewer entrance, everyone familiar with Cyro will choose ignoring you over engaging you and getting farmed by two giant EP groups.

I really have no idea where you're getting info regarding the number of 16+ member groups per alliance. Well, I have an idea, but I'd prefer not to tarnish to forums with that kind of language. Suffice to say, you are incorrect.

Point is, people aren't going to sit around getting farmed in overland Cyro when there are no benefits and when they could actually be accomplishing some measurable goal, like getting geared up. You can keep being a party to or complacent with unsportsmanlike conduct, but everyone else can keep ignoring and avoiding you. Ironically, the one thing I dislike about Imperial City (how easy it is to avoid fighting) is the best tool to punish naughty players.

Nobody minds you keeping emp for the health buffs, if you really need the help for the IC PvE grind then by all means, go for it. But if you're trying to provoke people into getting farmed by an emp group and a giant support group, you're straight out of luck.

I haven't been in Cyrodiil since 2weeks ago. You can keep blaming me for my "unsporstmanlike conduct" without even knowing who I am if that please you, but do it outside of these forums, ty.

Regarding the 16men organized groups (who know what they're doing) running out there. I don't know any groups other than Nexus, GoS and Havoc in EP. Havoc haven't been running 16 in quite some time though. SwP are getting better but they still have alot to learn even tho they have the numbers. Sotp also could use more solid players. They used to be much better (in my opinion).

I won't even start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds out there running 16-40 men groups which make it really hard to compete for EP even at primetime.

Once again, it is your call if you wanna play in IC but people won't stop playing in Cyrodiil only to make sure that the map stays balanced up there. C'mon now. People still want to be emperor as much as before and most people I know already have their full 5pieces vr15+ and yes they have a full time job and a family. If you are still farming gear at this time, it probably means that you don't know how to do it or you are farming to make gold out of it, which is fine. But the war won't hold only for your greedy needs.

You talk about giant EP groups running around like only EP does that which is another huge mistake of alot of folks who speak their mind in the forums. Every single faction has large groups.

You say "I am incorrect", yet you bring no facts and no proofs on the table other than speculating with your own experiences and opinions.

If you haven't been in Cyro for two weeks then I think we found the problem. The way you were phrasing things made me think you were actually fighting, my apologies. Either way, I very clearly wasn't singling you out specifically. I'm referring only to the reds who are grabbing the gate keeps. If you aren't part of that, you don't need to defend yourself.

If you won't start talking about the dozens of AD and DC guilds running 16-40, it might be because you don't actually know any. You can't be away for two weeks, especially not with the new PvP DLC out, and expect to have a grasp of the current situation. I'm not sure what Crown and Hello Kitty are running around with, but Deci for instance hasn't been fielding more than 16 for weeks. And if you're counting pug wrangler groups among the "organized" then that's your call, but on AD we hold dedicated PvP guilds to a higher standard than what's expected of the newer players.

Like I said before, I have no issue with people being emp or whatever, that's not even on most peoples' minds right now. I feel like you're still not understanding where people's priorities are at the moment. And unless you know like two people, "most people" you know don't have their full end-game V16 sets yet. Sure, there might be a bunch with V15 gear, but that's not actual end-game gear. This might be your two weeks away talking again, but it takes literally 10 times as many resources to get V16 versions of things versus V15, so yeah, a lot of people who know plenty well what they're doing are still farming for materials.

I never said anything about EP being the only one running in giant groups. There's a huge difference between running in giant groups in Cyro, though, and running in the Imperial City. Probably your two weeks away talking, but with almost 100% of any given faction's playerbase focused on the Imperial City and getting geared, whatever faction does decide to go out in force is going to easily steamroll over the 3 people on the other two factions who aren't in the city yet.

Yes, you are incorrect regarding being the underdog faction, but no, it's not a matter of speculation, personal experience, or opinion. I'm not sure if you missed the part where I proved it's impossible for pop-locked factions to have number imbalances, but if you need it again then here we go : unless EP poplock is less than AD poplock or DC poplock, the numbers fielded by each faction on fully poplocked campaigns are going to be equal. Also, it's a little peculiar to get accused of bias and speculation by someone who hasn't even been in PvP for two weeks.

Really I don't even know why you have a stake in the argument, it seems like you're making accusations just for the sake of being hostile. If you want to come back to Cyro, cool, I look forward to seeing you in the city, or on the battlefield after I'm geared up, but if not then this conversation doesn't actually involve you.