Immersion breaking new polymorps and mounts!

Mettaricana · September 2015

I have a fix for your immersion mind your own business and let me throw crowns at what I want. Don't like my horse or scarecrow or whatever go to some uninhabited area and rp or just ignore my presence.. its not that immersive a game gfx game mechanics ui and the questing make it very game like and not immersive want full imersion play skyrim and mod til you fel the line between life and fantasy choke you into a coma. But this is an mmo and it jas to make money immersion does not sell flashy cool stuff does. Have you not seen every mmo on the planet

Junglejim82 · September 2015

This isn't a troll post? Haven't the words

Recremen · September 2015

The pumpkin one strikes me as a little too halloweeny for me, but everything else seems fine. Elder Scrolls series does best at its weirdest, and skeletal mounts are entirely up our alley, most especially because they bothered with more than just a skeletal horse. What I'm hoping for are some of the weirder mounts alluded to in lore, like whatever giant woolly caterpillar/insect thing the orcs sometimes ride.

mrdankles · September 2015

Damn nerds all worried about your lore books.

Gidorick · September 2015

me_ming wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I don't play Elder Scrolls games because I like to swing a sword and cast spells in a fantasy environment. There are a hundred other games that offer that. I don't consider text chat to be a criteria for continued play. I don't base my participation in the game based on whether stamina regenerates while blocking. Game mechanics are how we play, but why I play is because of the Elder Scrolls universe. I will tolerate a lot of game play issues, bugs, crashes, and even the nerfs, because those things are not as important to me as an Elder Scrolls environment. I am probably in a very tiny minority, but I don't care. This is an Elder Scrolls game, I am perfectly justified in feeling this way, and the company (ZeniMax Media) should recognize this. If they won't do that, there is no one else who will.

I suppose, if you play Elder Scrolls this way, it is quite bother some (and awkward) that you have everyone running around with mystical mounts. So in that light, I suppose it would be fair for ZoS to actually add the option to hide the mounts/costumes. Then again, if you are able to hide the costumes, what about those Role Players who are dressed appropriately, you wouldn't be able to see their costumes as well, would you?

I really think having the "Un-enchant mounts" and "Show Equipped" options would quite many of us and please almost everyone. Us "purists" can have our boring horses and armored warriors and those who want them can have their fancy morphs, hidden shoulders, sparkly mounts and whatnot.

And if ZOS sells the "Un-enchant" mounts and "Show Equipped" options, ZOS makes money off of everyone!

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · September 2015

I agree with OP. The game has turned into a freak show. So sad... :'(

Digiman · September 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

Eh, other than the Pumpkin thing, everything else looks like something that could exist in the ES universe to me.

Yeah same. I can see them being something special, there were special holidays in the Elderscrolls lore and as for this thing maybe they can skate as Sheograth's whacky sense of humor.

I am a lore nut when it comes to Elder scrolls series, but I don't see anything that would break such lore either.

Spottswoode · September 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

Well....it's only a matter of time before you get Reindeer mounts and Christmas Tree spriggan polymorphs and bikinis and surfboard mounts. And another promise bites the dust...

While I understand the frustration, the original plan was certainly not successsful enough to sustain the game. Would you rather ESO shut down or have severely limited content in the future or maximize its revenue stream from what is entirely cosmetic content? Seems like an obvious choice to me.

"Few men have the virtue to withstand the highest bidder." - George Washington.
I'm not talking about the shift to B2P here. That ship has sailed and will never come back. I lost that fight. I would prefer, above all else, that ZOS release the content it's been holding back instead of selling new cosmetic items every two weeks (exaggeration, there will be several more to come) but that's not going to happen. I would prefer that they fix most of the bugs and lag in pvp before making silly cosmetics, but that's not going to happen either. Because silly ridiculous nonsense is how F2P/B2P makes its cash.
My only realistic wish I can possibly have is that ZOS somewhat respect ES lore in reference to its cash grabs crown store items. ZOS has said they would like to hold to in-tamriel holidays and there are a number to choose from that fall close to RL holidays. (This is not a new discussion, btw.) The minute that start selling reindeer mounts and bikinis, I'm done with this game. Forever. The fact that this game makes some effort to be lore friendly (and the ES label is what a bunch of people bought the game for) is what keeps me here instead of at the less lore friendly and more real life friendly games that have flagrantly stupid content designed to be a cash grab. I expect ZOS to have some integrity when blatantly selling the ES label.

Now ask yourself a very serious question: is this what you want ESO to turn into? Or this? I would rather this game go broke. Sorry.

Now some of this content is fairly lore friendly, and ZOS could make them relate to Tamriel holidays. If they do, I will be less critical of these types of things. But there's a limit.

Frozstee · September 2015

ESO does not equal Elder Scrolls.
Tis a sad shame but there are plenty of kids that already posted they don't care about the lore of Elder Scrolls. So I suspect to being seeing so many lore breaking dumb things added... cause hey it pads the wallet right ZOS?

Calling it now... a few months and people will be romping around on rainbow colored steeds.

RAMdisk · September 2015

Wow nice, I foresee quite a few people riding around with a skeleton morph on a skeleton animal. -I sure will.

Gidorick · September 2015

Mettaricana wrote: »

I have a fix for your immersion mind your own business and let me throw crowns at what I want. Don't like my horse or scarecrow or whatever go to some uninhabited area and rp or just ignore my presence.. its not that immersive a game gfx game mechanics ui and the questing make it very game like and not immersive want full imersion play skyrim and mod til you fel the line between life and fantasy choke you into a coma. But this is an mmo and it jas to make money immersion does not sell flashy cool stuff does. Have you not seen every mmo on the planet

So.. those of us who don't like these mounts should self-ostracize ourselves? That's not a solution, that just being rude.

As for your comment about MMOs, not all other MMOs are based on 20 years of established lore and narrative. The only other MMOs I can think of that have similar precedence is LOTRO and SWOTOR. Out of those two, LOTRO is the one that is close, thematically, to ESO.

So, I went and checked out the mounts in LOTRO and that game only had horses and goats. the fanciest they got was a horse that had glow in the dark paint:

So no, not every MMO on the planet has "flashy cool stuff". And quite frankly, I wholeheartedly disagree that there aren't enough cool things in the TES universe to make an enticing and varied Crown Store. Even if they JUST stuck with horses there are 100 real-world breeds to select from. We could have smaller ponies or huge Clydesdales. If we wanted to include other animals aside from the Senche and Guar we could have many different types of mounts available.

Many are real-world type animals that could be used as mounts

Bear (which we are getting)
Wolf
Elk/Deer
Camel
Cows
Boars

ESO/TES has their share of their own fantasy animals that could be used as mounts

Welwa
Saber Cats
Mammoth (a small variation)
Wamasu
Kagouti
Nix-Hound
Beetles
Dune Rippers
Durzog

And if ZOS wanted to get weird and deep into ESO lore...

Stilt Strider Variations
Root Worm Variations
Centaurs
Slarjei (some sort of lizard/bird thing)
The Shaggy Giant Centipede Herdbeast in Orsinium (Please be in the DLC!!!)

That's 20 different types animals that could be used as mounts, give each 5 different skins and we're looking at 100 different mounts.

It's not that there's not enough content to use in TES, it's that ZOS has taken the quickest, easiest way to make a buck. Re-skin a horse and make it shiny and the masses will spill their wallets to get it. I'm not surprised that they have done this... but I am a bit disappointed that the integrity of the TES setting hasn't been held in higher regard.

Since this has already been done and there is no way to retcon these fantasy mounts out of ESO, I'm simply seeking for them to be represented in game. Lore changes, I get that... then ZOS should actually change the lore and not just leave these fantasy mounts as blatantly obvious cash-grabs.

Asherons_Call · September 2015

If you think a skeletal horse will be immersion breaking just wait until you see "Buddha_Smoka_420" riding a skeletal horse!

Gidorick · September 2015

Frozstee wrote: »

ESO does not equal Elder Scrolls.
Tis a sad shame but there are plenty of kids that already posted they don't care about the lore of Elder Scrolls. So I suspect to being seeing so many lore breaking dumb things added... cause hey it pads the wallet right ZOS?

Calling it now... a few months and people will be romping around on rainbow colored steeds.

Niminion · September 2015

Some necromancer out there is going to be making bank on these. Who doesn't want a horse they don't have to feed and brush!

me_ming · September 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I don't play Elder Scrolls games because I like to swing a sword and cast spells in a fantasy environment. There are a hundred other games that offer that. I don't consider text chat to be a criteria for continued play. I don't base my participation in the game based on whether stamina regenerates while blocking. Game mechanics are how we play, but why I play is because of the Elder Scrolls universe. I will tolerate a lot of game play issues, bugs, crashes, and even the nerfs, because those things are not as important to me as an Elder Scrolls environment. I am probably in a very tiny minority, but I don't care. This is an Elder Scrolls game, I am perfectly justified in feeling this way, and the company (ZeniMax Media) should recognize this. If they won't do that, there is no one else who will.

I suppose, if you play Elder Scrolls this way, it is quite bother some (and awkward) that you have everyone running around with mystical mounts. So in that light, I suppose it would be fair for ZoS to actually add the option to hide the mounts/costumes. Then again, if you are able to hide the costumes, what about those Role Players who are dressed appropriately, you wouldn't be able to see their costumes as well, would you?

Actually, this is an MMO and not a single player game.

The mounts don't bother me that much, other than the ice mount should have been done like the other two elemental mounts. Instead of being a block of ice, it should have been a reasonably normal looking mount with ice and frost around it. These elemental mounts don't exist in the game as a native feature, and it would be cool if they did, where appropriate, even if players had to go to the Crown Store to get them as mounts.

The current costumes do not bother me, including the skeleton and draugr polymorphs. Both of these have a long history with TES and are part of the game world. However, ZOS should had designed the world such that wearing those in a populated place garnered a response from the NPCs. The wedding wear and other formal stuff does not bother me at all and I think I own all of those things.

The pets do not bother me, and I like the new daedric rat. Even though this is not in the game, it is something that could be in the game. It needs no explanation.

Other players being around do not bother me. However, ZOS should have thought one step ahead and deviated from the TES norm of having the player be the One Hero and built the story around multiple heroes being in the world. I seriously think that they took the concept for Oblivion, changed things up, and tossed it into ESO. Once that was done, they built an MMO around a single player game core.

The skeletal mounts in the data mining are also well within the bounds of the game. They could ditch the red glowing eyes. Not everything needs to have red glowing eyes. These mounts would work perfectly with a DLC that introduced necromancy. Since they do not have such a DLC, I would prefer that all of the skeletal mounts be limited time only. This is only to pace their introduction into the world. I don't know if I would buy all three, but I would buy the horse. In a heartbeat if they made them limited time.

The scarecrow spectre thing bugs me mostly because there are undead things already in the game that are not scarecrows that could serve perfectly in the place of it. They could probably just rename it from "scarecrow spectre" and I would be happy. The idea is perfectly plausible. The execution needs to be cleaned up. We have zombies. We have different draugr. We have ghosts. Give me those things. I will buy them.

Most of my ire is about the Legend of Sleepy Hollow inspired jack o' lantern spriggan. This is simply reaching for the sole purpose of Crown Store revenue. There are a number of spooky things already in Tamriel that would fit better. You want Halloween costumes... we already have hags from ESO and hagraven from Skyrim that could fill that role. I would totally buy either one of them on the day that they came out.

Now, I do want to point out that the Headless Horseman appeared in Skyrim as a ghost. The intersection of the lore is already there. Someone asked if Todd Howard came out and justified it, whether that would make a difference. The difference would be that Todd Howard did not just dump the Headless Horseman into the game as a paid item. He built an entire story around it to bring it into the game and anchor it. All ZOS would be doing is finding way to make people spend Crowns.

For the most part, I like the Crown Store. I use the Crown Store for pets, mounts, and costumes. This is the part of the Store that I like and find useful. If Elder Scrolls lore can feed the Store with items related to ESO and Elder Scrolls, I am right there with my Crown Purse waiting for the store to open. There is a ton of Lore material already out there that is marketable. I want to buy this stuff. A jack o' lantern spriggan is a waste of my time and space in the Store.

You message too long. Didn't bother/care reading it.

olsborg · September 2015

Agreed with the OP, they just keep coming with more and more immersion breaking and silly costumes.

SneaK · September 2015

Just pretend you got hit by the Wabbajack, I like them.

Gidorick · September 2015

SneaK wrote: »

Just pretend you got hit by the Wabbajack, I like them.

LOL. The Crown Store should have totally been called "Uncle Sheo's Wabbajack Depot"... with a currency of Cheese.

Terrato37 · September 2015

While I won't buy them, they look cool, and I myself like festive stuff such as this.

While I love TES lore, I don't find ANY of this lore breaking. This is TES, random crazy s*** happens.

Also, just because some of these things weren't in the earlier games doesnt mean they were never present between the timelines of the games or in other inaccessible areas of the world.

Btw, is there a b**** and moan thread? Because if there isnt, I might make one.

drogon1 · September 2015

None of those breaks immersion for me. It's a darn video game, and none of that seems so outlandish as to not fit. Lightsabers would break immersion, but nothing you posted showed that.

Gidorick · September 2015

drogon1 wrote: »

None of those breaks immersion for me. It's a darn video game, and none of that seems so outlandish as to not fit. Lightsabers would break immersion, but nothing you posted showed that.

What if they were called Soulswords and instead of all that fancy tech they were simply enchanted Telvar hilts with soulgems imbedded inside. The Soulsword would consume the enchantment when used and would need to be recharged to continue to be used.

Would THIS break immersion too? I'm honestly asking @drogon1, not just being silly.

tactica · September 2015

Really simple fix...

Only the 'electing player' who 'enables' the content sees all of these plolymorphs and customizations...

by default, could specify that all players show a default horse / pet, armor scheme... etc.

or take it a step further...

Allow me to specify if I want to see customizations from:
friends
guildmates
all

Have a toggle / check box for each.

Then have a default gear scheme if I don't want to see Mr. Random "JuCeeFrui78oot4y" rainbow dye and unicorn riding flaming cat midget morph of an avatar with bandana in *my* version of ESO.

Leave it to the players... you want to see it - great. You don't want to see it... don't.

While they are at it, give me individual overrides too... so I can select a particular Neuron who may be acting out in a special kinda fashion - so that I can put him/ her / shim... whatever on the I don't want to see it / hear it list.

Yes, indiviual block / perpetual mute list - needs to happen...

Along with DEFAULT TO NO AREA CHAT selection needs to happen when entering the game.

Changes like **THAT** would be listening to the community and giving the community control over THEIR experience in ESO.

Just sayin...

Gidorick · September 2015

Very similar idea to what I have posted here http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/173189/de-mystical-mounts-a-crown-store-concept/p1 @tactica

and then I expanded it here :http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/208091/toggles-toggles-for-everyone

Together they pretty much say what you just said. Toggles to turn off costumes & fantasy mounts. Enable toggles for specific groups.

I dunno if having individual options for every single player would be feasible. It may cause problems with server load sending that data for each and every player to each and every other player.

Sallington · September 2015

blah blah blah immersion blah blah blah

Immersion
MMO
Longevity

Pick two.

Spottswoode · September 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

I dunno if having individual options for every single player would be feasible. It may cause problems with server load sending that data for each and every player to each and every other player.

Player skins. Players can have whatever skin they want and have a toggle player skin option. They can even client side it only and make it whatever they want. PC players can even go to whatever perverted extreme they want and the rest of us don't have to see it.

RAGUNAnoOne · September 2015

tactica wrote: »

Really simple fix...

Only the 'electing player' who 'enables' the content sees all of these plolymorphs and customizations...

by default, could specify that all players show a default horse / pet, armor scheme... etc.

or take it a step further...

Allow me to specify if I want to see customizations from:
friends
guildmates
all

Have a toggle / check box for each.

Then have a default gear scheme if I don't want to see Mr. Random "JuCeeFrui78oot4y" rainbow dye and unicorn riding flaming cat midget morph of an avatar with bandana in *my* version of ESO.

Leave it to the players... you want to see it - great. You don't want to see it... don't.

While they are at it, give me individual overrides too... so I can select a particular Neuron who may be acting out in a special kinda fashion - so that I can put him/ her / shim... whatever on the I don't want to see it / hear it list.

Yes, indiviual block / perpetual mute list - needs to happen...

Along with DEFAULT TO NO AREA CHAT selection needs to happen when entering the game.

Changes like **THAT** would be listening to the community and giving the community control over THEIR experience in ESO.

Just sayin...

then people will complain that they can't show off to other people and make the poor feel bad about themselves because of this toggle next thing you know something awful will happen like all normal mounts being crown store only.

RedTalon · September 2015

Would like to say all this stuff will be good for the game and already planning on using crowns for one or two.

This is top notch work and people have been asking for some type of holiday stuff in the game and this meets that.

I LIKE WHAT YOU GOT, GOOD JOB ZOS!

tactica · September 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

I dunno if having individual options for every single player would be feasible...

No, it wouldn't... but it wouldn't work that way either.

It would be more of a black list or an exampt list.

Say by default, you wanted to "see" all gear as players selected it.

Then, you could have an "exempt list" When you add a player to the exempt list, they are subject to a new condition of "Lore Vision" only (I think to use your linked ideology)

Then, you essentially remove any of their flamboyant, festive or otherwise carvival or lore bashing customizations and choices from existing on your screen. Their choices are "exampt" from your "default" schema.

This is a common practice in modern web browsers for example. You set your browser security to a default mode, then have certain websites which are exempt.

Acrolas · September 2015

ZOS isn't going to discriminate against paying players. The entire reason for putting costumes, mounts, and pets in the crown store is so people can buy them and show them off.

You can be as traditional as you want. But it's not a good reason to trample on somebody else's sense of creativity. The game world is big enough for both conservative and progressive players, and the game is better off having both types of player in the game.

Stravokov · September 2015

Acrolas wrote: »

ZOS isn't going to discriminate against paying players. The entire reason for putting costumes, mounts, and pets in the crown store is so people can buy them and show them off.

You can be as traditional as you want. But it's not a good reason to trample on somebody else's sense of creativity. The game world is big enough for both conservative and progressive players, and the game is better off having both types of player in the game.

its also extremely arrogant to expect ZOS to make an option to flat out negate/turn off store bought mounts just to appease the egos of these lore/immersion ***'s. such a self centered view point, get off your high horse and go back to skyrim if you want single player immersion... seriously.

honestly, makes me want to buy that undead Horse even more, just knowing its going to aggravate these people