Or, the content could be gated like it was designed to be.

Hmm seems legit. But it shouls go down to 40% or so tops. Roaming solo should be high riak high reward. I spend last two nights picking of straglers from zergs. They tend to have juicy piles of stones ripe for the taking. But if the zerg turns around im screwed. Soooo high risk high reward

I agree, Currently these bomb groups "zergs" are ruining some of the fun for everyone i wish there was a group limit for imperial city say for example a group of 4 players or a tel var stone reduction if your in big group you get less tel var stone like a reduction per player in group

Great Idea. Should scale from 80% down to 40%. You can tell IC was designed for this type of combat unlike cyrodiil.

I think if they just removed healing from the game it would fix most of the problems. 1st healing stacks in large groups giving them a huge defensive advantage over small groups, and 2nd DPS also stacks in the same Venn diagram. Since nobody wants to entertain collision which is the only way to create a tactical disadvantage to standing inside each other, removing healing will make it so small groups can surround large groups and while overlapping the large groups circles of inclusion, have minimal exposure in the large groups circle.

You don't have to remove healing in PVE, just in PVP or nerf it down 75%+ more from where it is at now.

ToRelax wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I think if they just removed healing from the game it would fix most of the problems. 1st healing stacks in large groups giving them a huge defensive advantage over small groups, and 2nd DPS also stacks in the same Venn diagram. Since nobody wants to entertain collision which is the only way to create a tactical disadvantage to standing inside each other, removing healing will make it so small groups can surround large groups and while overlapping the large groups circles of inclusion, have minimal exposure in the large groups circle.

You don't have to remove healing in PVE, just in PVP or nerf it down 75%+ more from where it is at now.

How about they just restore resource management?

I wouldn't mind that either! Personally, I'd take both.

Pve zergs are easier to counter but once you encounter a pvp zerg than youre most likely dead,been in EU TB a couple of minutes ago and got killed by 5 steel tornado on death recap so like many other players said "Numbers Win",zos loves zergs thats all.

Define zerg in terms of numbers.

I though that prox det was anti zerg now.

What I do usually is drag the raid into a roaming boss. They aggro it. Then all kind of shenanigans starts to happen.

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

There is a way to wipe them. Pull those sweeper mobs into their zergs. Make sure you tag them, the players, and then watch as your Tel'var counter goes up.

During the special event in the middle of the Sewers, my friends were run over by a huge AD zerg right when the bonus boss spawned. I stayed alive, we rezzed everyone, at the very end, when he does his huge explosion, we tagged all the AD, watched them all get one-shot, then cleared the rest who didn't. So many Tel-Var stones, and the sweet, sweet revenge

We had a similar incident happen two nights ago there. AD came in with a big zerg to do the central sewer event, we would run out and hit a few and got a few chasers that we killed. Once we realized the zerg didn't care about us we waited until they started one of the portals, then we hit them hard. Wiped them out. Loads of fun!

But yes, that last boss death animation, is the best haha.

Think problem with IC is that even a 10-12 man group is going to be a zerg, due to the size and design of the maps. Than you have all these guilds, used to running traditional PvP raids for their members and it's causing complete chaos in sewers and districts.

But in their defence, what are they suppose to do? Kill of all guild activities, retire and tell everyone to bugger of into 3-man teams or go solo?

I dont know how to fix it. Because it's clearly not a case of needing some mechanics to break up 50+ man blobs at this point. It's rather just a normal raid here and there, not fitting in. Obviously trying to find other raids and big numbers to fight, because that's what larger group wants to do. But all they end up doing is running over solo'ers and small teams for like 1 stone each. It's annoying and boring for everyone.

I think it will sort itself out tho. Mainly because of how boring and unrewarding it becomes when you invite to many players in your IC group.

Yonkit wrote: »

Boredom will kill the zergs more efficiently than anything ZoS can do mechanic-wise. Give it a little time and people will thin out, blob-less, and return to the overworld. I'm a consummate practitioner of large group play, but in the IC there's no place for it, so I'm just all alone most of the time. I'll rejoin the fold when big group action swings back up top out of sheer boredom.

Or when everyone gets their gear. The race to get to vr16 is driving the zerging.

Advice would be to join that zerg, get the gear quickly and return back to solo play.

Rylana wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Boredom will kill the zergs more efficiently than anything ZoS can do mechanic-wise. Give it a little time and people will thin out, blob-less, and return to the overworld. I'm a consummate practitioner of large group play, but in the IC there's no place for it, so I'm just all alone most of the time. I'll rejoin the fold when big group action swings back up top out of sheer boredom.

Or when everyone gets their gear. The race to get to vr16 is driving the zerging.

Advice would be to join that zerg, get the gear quickly and return back to solo play.

Considering everyone thats intending to do at least a 5 piece crafted set is gonna need about 700-900 mats per suit/toon.... yeah the zergs aint going anywhere anytime soon.

True. But at some point the freshness of the update is driving everyone to be here grouping up. Once it dies a little you should see it give up a little.

Tyr wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

Or, the content could be gated like it was designed to be.

If it was gated, there would still be zergs, but only with 2 factions instead of 3 since it's unlikely that one alliance would be able to hold off both enemies from reclaiming their own keep for any reasonable length of time.

There's also the fact that for most people once they go into IC for the night, they will stay there whether their faction retains access or not.

Correction: gated for DC on all but 2 campaigns.

There is no reason to currently run in Cyro other then capping keeps for emp but its so last season. Watched a 20 man DC group cap emp on a FULL AD pop server with Alessia being the last keep. No defense. During the good ole days, they would not have gone with out a fight but now its not cool to defend keeps. So I go into IC and see like 5 people in the whole zone.. Where is everyone!? So all the blobs from Cyro just run in IC now because it's the new hot spot. Taking back their keeps means nothing since the gates are all open anyways.