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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭nimander99 wrote: »@Beedles just follow the zerg near your area of the sewers, they will run a path in a huge circle, kill everything harvest stones ad nauseum, thats the game now... dont go up into the the city you will get ganked in less than a second... it isnt fun at all but its the only way to farm tv stones and armors for deco mats.
Oh and yeah 80% TV stone loss removes all semblance of fun from pvp, so fyi devs that needs to be dropped to about 10% max.
So no one is risking the 80 percent loss by leaving the home territory?
Do you make the same rewards deeper in the castle or is it the same rate?
They may need to sweeten the pot to lure players into risking a deeper venture.
To be clear, this is exactly the kind of PvP that many forum users were begging for.
A few months back, the forum was flooded with 'arm chair ninjas' who wanted to kill and rob players in PvP.
They claimed everyone would love it and the game would fail without the ability to loot the corpses of their enemies.
Well the ic is the closest zos dared to go into that type of 'casual killer' gameplay.
Should we thank all those guys on the forum for demanding this as an addition to the game?
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭mrskinskull wrote: »nimander99 wrote: »@Beedles just follow the zerg near your area of the sewers, they will run a path in a huge circle, kill everything harvest stones ad nauseum, thats the game now... dont go up into the the city you will get ganked in less than a second... it isnt fun at all but its the only way to farm tv stones and armors for deco mats.
Oh and yeah 80% TV stone loss removes all semblance of fun from pvp, so fyi devs that needs to be dropped to about 10% max.
So no one is risking the 80 percent loss by leaving the home territory?
Do you make the same rewards deeper in the castle or is it the same rate?
They may need to sweeten the pot to lure players into risking a deeper venture.
To be clear, this is exactly the kind of PvP that many forum users were begging for.
A few months back, the forum was flooded with 'arm chair ninjas' who wanted to kill and rob players in PvP.
They claimed everyone would love it and the game would fail without the ability to loot the corpses of their enemies.
Well the ic is the closest zos dared to go into that type of 'casual killer' gameplay.
Should we thank all those guys on the forum for demanding this as an addition to the game?
Actually Jess was absolutely Giddy about the looting of other players.. Did you see her in the live stream? I think there was actually a little drool hanging off of her chin when they announced it.Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington1 -
kurioskurion✭✭I only read half of the first page of this post and I need to go to IC right away! I have totally needed a new television for years!! And it sounds like TVs drop like super easy there!
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NobleNerd✭✭✭✭nimander99 wrote: »@Beedles just follow the zerg near your area of the sewers, they will run a path in a huge circle, kill everything harvest stones ad nauseum, thats the game now... dont go up into the the city you will get ganked in less than a second... it isnt fun at all but its the only way to farm tv stones and armors for deco mats.
Oh and yeah 80% TV stone loss removes all semblance of fun from pvp, so fyi devs that needs to be dropped to about 10% max.
Keyword in your statement "it isn't fun at all..."
This was the feedback when it was in PTS and they responded with an 80% loss ratio instead of the 100%.... way to go ZOS!
Also when I was in PTS it was just zerg runs and respawn camping... I was bored of that after a few hours. I see it didn't change for launch.2 -
AshTal✭✭✭✭I agree the imperial city has failed to live upto any expectation it would be so bad but its the only place to get Vet 15 and 16 gear, its the only new content and it takes hours to get into. PvP is fun but they have turned it into a painful grind of zergs, mass killings and almost instant respawn.
As for people saying your better off in small groups or solo, the people in the massive groups don't care about stones they are just there to kill players and if they happen to split your 100 stones by 12 people they really don't care, and you have just lost 30 mins of stealth killing and sneaking by just running across a mass murder group.
Imperial city sucks at the moment. PvP in cyrodil is more fun and PvE any where else is better.4 -
billcage✭Why dont you apply "bankroll management" strategy for tel var stones ?. For example i never carry than more %10 of all my tel var stones . With this like strategy you never lose your all stones with a gank or zerg attack etc ...0 -
sagitter✭✭✭✭✭I love IC, need only to demotivate zerging and one of way to do this is, decreasing the % of stones you earn in big groups, more ppl around zerging, less stones you get both pve and pvp, and also if you get killed by many ppl your % of loosing stones decrease, for exp:
1 vs 1 80%
1 vs 2 70%
1 vs 3 60%
1 vs 4 50%
untill like dying in pve , 1 vs many 10%.
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sagitter✭✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »Discouraging grouping in an MMO. That's a new one.
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✭✭✭✭ISallington wrote: »Sallington wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.
Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........
this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .
There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.
I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.
yeah free farming compared to having to group to get comps is comparable troll on fanboy ! GL with your meds
You missed the point entirely. The only reason to risk getting into a PvP fight is to get PvP gear. And why would you do that if you hate PvP. You can "free farm" the new PvE dungeons all day if you want.
I never said I hate PVP I hate loosing that many stones in 1 sec And I don't like being forced to pvp to get content. that's my opinion, most people will be on the loosing end of this pvp gank feast and like I said its not fun. go on and troll about what ever your thoughts are ,facts are facts people don't like to loose. I consider myself a average pvper and there is no surviving a zerg or nb ganker when you don't have time to react. All iam saying is make the 80% less like 50 or so or make it available through quests or something in pvp zone
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k2blader✭✭✭✭✭After a couple nights of experiencing IC for the first time, I think it's actually not as bad for PvEers as I thought it'd be. Because IC isn't really PvP. There's so many PvE mobs to kill that's what you're doing half or more of the time. You're getting mats to deconstruct as well as stones.
JMO, PvE guilds could organize guild runs, if possible at a less populated time and/or on a less populated server, and do fine. When your group's bags are full, just suicide on mobs and go bank your stones. The only way you'd have issues is if a larger enemy group came upon you. I don't mean to be blasé but that's my thought as a PvPer who is looking at IC and going, "Bleh."
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Does anybody truly "Know how to play the game"?Sallington wrote: »It sounds like you expected collecting TVs to be extremely easy, and are sad that you now need to actually know how to play the game to get rewarded.
I thought the entire point was to play as you wanted, not fit in to a cookie-cutter frame that has been pre-determined.
I suppose it's about experimenting and finding out what your particular build can do to maximize it's effectiveness.
I'd hate to think we have to all end up playing the same sort of character over and over and over just to succeed.
Fortunately, I've stopped caring about TV completely and fully expect to get ganked all the time so, whatever I collect is yours. Go ahead and gank me. I'll be back. Who knows, maybe one of my other characters or groups will find you and take revenge.
It's just a game. I stressed way too long about not being the best so I'll just play as best I can and not sweat the small stuff.
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...Sallington wrote: »It sounds like you expected collecting TVs to be extremely easy, and are sad that you now need to actually know how to play the game to get rewarded.
More like a PVPer who was dumbfounded at your inability to grasp the idea of players profitting from the death of other players...in a PVP zone.
Go back to farming robots if you don't like it.
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I have to agree.
...Sallington wrote: »It sounds like you expected collecting TVs to be extremely easy, and are sad that you now need to actually know how to play the game to get rewarded.
More like a PVPer who was dumbfounded at your inability to grasp the idea of players profitting from the death of other players...in a PVP zone.
Go back to farming robots if you don't like it.
After all, murder for profit is a long standing tradition.
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Beedles..ISallington wrote: »Sallington wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.
Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........
this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .
There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.
I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.
yeah free farming compared to having to group to get comps is comparable troll on fanboy ! GL with your meds
You missed the point entirely. The only reason to risk getting into a PvP fight is to get PvP gear. And why would you do that if you hate PvP. You can "free farm" the new PvE dungeons all day if you want.
I never said I hate PVP I hate loosing that many stones in 1 sec And I don't like being forced to pvp to get content. that's my opinion, most people will be on the loosing end of this pvp gank feast and like I said its not fun. go on and troll about what ever your thoughts are ,facts are facts people don't like to loose. I consider myself a average pvper and there is no surviving a zerg or nb ganker when you don't have time to react. All iam saying is make the 80% less like 50 or so or make it available through quests or something in pvp zone
Just be glad you were not around during the golden days of MMO's when Real Skill was involved and games like Asherons Call allowed you to loot players ENTIRE corpse.. Armor and all heh..
Ohh the tears you would have shed...
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I would pay a massive amount of money for a full loot campaign.
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FireCowCommando✭✭✭✭✭Gated access? Nah.
Loss of TV stones? Nah.
Losing stones you collect is not the end of the world. Having gear to get gives you a reason to play, if you are dying too often to progress at a reasonable rate (self determined) then you now have an intensive to improve both your gear, and your play.
I'm starting to wonder, if ZoS added a boss that had the BEST gear, but designed to be basically impossible so nearly no one could complete it... How long before the endless complaints and threats would influence them enough to destroy their DESIGN, giving the gear out to all.0 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭As above, I would love to be able to loot and be looted in pvp. Most MMO games ive played (proper mmo's not this dumbed down crap nowdays) there were key points as to why they succeeded for years and years.
1. Reaching max rank took months and months, hell years in some cases, took me 3 years to get 6 chars in anarchy online to level 150-180 with one at 200 the max.
2. Pvp had severe risk and reward, you went into a pvp zone? Then you had a chance of losing any piece of gear equipped or unequipped to the enemy, I lost half a set of armor once. But another time I got 3 pieces of gear for a stealth alt I had. That I knew took months of work to get.
That was serious fun. I say 100% stone loss, and add it lootable bodies.0 -
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That was serious fun. I say 100% stone loss, and add it lootable bodies.
I do not think todays MMO players could handle that..
Emotionally speaking..... Everyone today wants instant gratification and instant rewards..
Allowing them to be killed and looted would cause mass hysteria and suicide threats on the forums lol.
I for one would welcomed this with open arms... In ESO's current state with the way zurging is going on I dunno if it would work?
Maybe if you are delt damage by more than 3 people you do not drop your gear that could work.
Hey that right there could work.. But I bet ZOS would rather pull out toe nails with pliers than think of programing that into the game lol.
Edited by Funkopotamus on September 2, 2015 9:34PMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »
That was serious fun. I say 100% stone loss, and add it lootable bodies.
I do not think todays MMO players could handle that..
Emotionally speaking..... Everyone today wants instant gratification and instant rewards..
Allowing them to be killed and looted would cause mass hysteria and suicide threats on the forums lol.
Actually you'd have a dead game.
Not sure why so many PvPers want that.
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AshTal✭✭✭✭I want to play an Argonian sorcerer who summons the forces of oblivion, oh damn I am about as much use in PvP as wet paper bag, don't think I should be playing the way I want to.1
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭I want to play an Argonian sorcerer who summons the forces of oblivion, oh damn I am about as much use in PvP as wet paper bag, don't think I should be playing the way I want to.
Why not?
Last I checked nobody is snatched up and thrown into PvP!!
There could be a happy medium to be found in this game. PvE people will all calm down when the next DLC drops and they can go Cbearing through the dungeons and the PvPrs can continue looting eachother.. Why is that sucha problem?
And for the people that say it would = a dead game... Nah not at all.. It would leave the game thriving for all people!
Not just the people that seem to think they bought SyrimWithFriends.. <--- that is KILLING this game!Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington1 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »
That was serious fun. I say 100% stone loss, and add it lootable bodies.
I do not think todays MMO players could handle that..
Emotionally speaking..... Everyone today wants instant gratification and instant rewards..
Allowing them to be killed and looted would cause mass hysteria and suicide threats on the forums lol.
Actually you'd have a dead game.
Not sure why so many PvPers want that.
No you wouldn't. This is the basis that the most successful MMO games in the last 15+ years have used. It's only recently things have dumbed down alot for current gamers, as for some reason, they're all bitching crybabies.
Sorry but it had to be said, hell when I started playing MMO games nearly 15 odd years ago, we didn't even really have forums to complain, we just got in the game and played? Don't like it? Don't play! Yet for all this "xyz would kill the game" it worked bloody well, hell anarchy online is still going 16 years strong nearly!!
@Funkopotamus I agree, this generation of gamers want to buy a game and complete it in a day, they don't want to put hard work in, they don't want to actually work for anything. They want to insert the disc, be told exactly where to go and what to do, then finish it as quick as possible.
*** me in older games you didn't even got tutorials, now every bloody game has a 3 hour long "starter" area/safe zone whatever you want to call it, as a bloody tutorial. What happened to having to look up the bloody manual....
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »
That was serious fun. I say 100% stone loss, and add it lootable bodies.
I do not think todays MMO players could handle that..
Emotionally speaking..... Everyone today wants instant gratification and instant rewards..
Allowing them to be killed and looted would cause mass hysteria and suicide threats on the forums lol.
Actually you'd have a dead game.
Not sure why so many PvPers want that.
No you wouldn't. This is the basis that the most successful MMO games in the last 15+ years have used. It's only recently things have dumbed down alot for current gamers, as for some reason, they're all bitching crybabies.
Sorry but it had to be said, hell when I started playing MMO games nearly 15 odd years ago, we didn't even really have forums to complain, we just got in the game and played? Don't like it? Don't play! Yet for all this "xyz would kill the game" it worked bloody well, hell anarchy online is still going 16 years strong nearly!!
@Funkopotamus I agree, this generation of gamers want to buy a game and complete it in a day, they don't want to put hard work in, they don't want to actually work for anything. They want to insert the disc, be told exactly where to go and what to do, then finish it as quick as possible.
*** me in older games you didn't even got tutorials, now every bloody game has a 3 hour long "starter" area/safe zone whatever you want to call it, as a bloody tutorial. What happened to having to look up the bloody manual....
Rant over lol
Tellem brother!!
Remember AC?
We had to figure out spell components on our own! We couldn't even cast spells until we found the right combination "Kinda like the crafting in ESO" Nothing like going to cast heal4 or fire5 and fizz a spell due to not having hyssop in your back pack lol Only to then have a Tusker slam both feet into your teeth
<-Anyone feel me here?
Also I remember spending 4 weeks FOUR in a dungeon farming shard fragments to make GSA gear to only be killed by some guy named "Bud the Wiser" and lost EVERYTHING!
You know what?? After another month I finally got my GSA and I was damn proud of it lol!..Edited by Funkopotamus on September 2, 2015 9:52PMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington1 -
AshTal✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »I want to play an Argonian sorcerer who summons the forces of oblivion, oh damn I am about as much use in PvP as wet paper bag, don't think I should be playing the way I want to.
Why not?
Last I checked nobody is snatched up and thrown into PvP!!
There could be a happy medium to be found in this game. PvE people will all calm down when the next DLC drops and they can go Cbearing through the dungeons and the PvPrs can continue looting eachother.. Why is that sucha problem?
And for the people that say it would = a dead game... Nah not at all.. It would leave the game thriving for all people!
Not just the people that seem to think they bought SyrimWithFriends.. <--- that is KILLING this game!
Because the IC is the only new content and only way to get VET 16 gear. But yes don't have to play it and don't have to have gear I should probably just stick to single player content.
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AlcastClass Representativenimander99 wrote: »@Beedles just follow the zerg near your area of the sewers, they will run a path in a huge circle, kill everything harvest stones ad nauseum, thats the game now... dont go up into the the city you will get ganked in less than a second... it isnt fun at all but its the only way to farm tv stones and armors for deco mats.
Oh and yeah 80% TV stone loss removes all semblance of fun from pvp, so fyi devs that needs to be dropped to about 10% max.
That ALSO is an amateur tip:
Actually, unless they changed the mechanic from announced, its MUCH worse to be in a zerg, but people dont realize it. This is from Rich Lambert on the ESO Live IC special, (timecode 56:28):
https://youtu.be/KmdWFdS_Hg8?t=3388ZoS_ErickWrobel wrote:
You can have up to 12 contributors, (including those outside the group).... as long as you do up to 10% of the damage/heals,ZoS_RichLambert wrote:
If you have 30 people beating on something, only 12 are gonna get something.
In a big zerg group you get faster TS. Farm bosses, TS that drop from bosses or chests are not split in the grp. It is also a lot safter to run around in a zerg grp and farm those bosses Edited by Alcast on September 2, 2015 9:53PMhttps://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »I want to play an Argonian sorcerer who summons the forces of oblivion, oh damn I am about as much use in PvP as wet paper bag, don't think I should be playing the way I want to.
Why not?
Last I checked nobody is snatched up and thrown into PvP!!
There could be a happy medium to be found in this game. PvE people will all calm down when the next DLC drops and they can go Cbearing through the dungeons and the PvPrs can continue looting eachother.. Why is that sucha problem?
And for the people that say it would = a dead game... Nah not at all.. It would leave the game thriving for all people!
Not just the people that seem to think they bought SyrimWithFriends.. <--- that is KILLING this game!
Because the IC is the only new content and only way to get VET 16 gear. But yes don't have to play it and don't have to have gear I should probably just stick to single player content.
No not at all ASH Tal.
There is PVE gear that is better than PvP gear right now,,
It does drop in the dungeons man !
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