HUGE waste of time

  • Pangnirtung
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    Yattaq wrote: »
    The thing is, if you stick with it you will "l2p". When justice came out, people were bad at it and lost money. Over time though people got better and it became a decent money making system for those who learned the tricks.

    The info in this thread is geniunely useful http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212691/l2p-imperial-city-like-a-boss-tips-and-tricks

    Tricks like fear and cloak?
  • Davkin
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    Its a PVP DLC not PVE. Just because there are mobs in IC doesnt mean that you can just farm them.
    If you dont like PVP dont go into the imperial city.
  • Beedles
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    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not useable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

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  • Yattaq
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    Yattaq wrote: »
    The thing is, if you stick with it you will "l2p". When justice came out, people were bad at it and lost money. Over time though people got better and it became a decent money making system for those who learned the tricks.

    The info in this thread is geniunely useful http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212691/l2p-imperial-city-like-a-boss-tips-and-tricks

    Tricks like fear and cloak?

    Tricks like farming stones in the much, much safer sewers.
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    Imperial City always was supposed to be a Player-Killer festival. What would one expect from it, knowing that? To be allowed to wander freely and take in the sights? I wouldn't. I would expect to be ganked within seconds of sticking my nose in there. I would expect I shouldn't even bother looking at tel var stones, for the next ganker will take them away anyhow. Why would anyone expect anything else? That place is the PvP-freak playground, you gotta expect freaky PvP...

    Which is why I haven't visited yet. Someday I will, in a while, when the worse of the worst have ganked their fill... fully expecting to get my bum handed to me anyhow. It's all out PvP, nothing else -to- expect there.

    And otherwise I wait for orsinium...

    But I see no sense in complaining about something that was pretty obvious long before the whole thing went live...

    Though who knows, maybe the powers that be will tweak the ratio at which those without big PvPness loose their stones? 80% now, maybe in a patch or two it will only be 60%... it could happen...
  • willymchilybily
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    Beedles wrote: »
    ...... till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    kind of not the point of a forum.... if you don't get to see other peoples views and opinions.

    If you just wanted to complain instead of constructively debate your opinion you would be better writing a ticket in game to complain.
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  • Funkopotamus
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    Beedles wrote: »
    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not useable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    Troll??

    No it is fact.. Devs have said it themselves..

    This DLC is for PVP players.
    That friend is a FACT! now I understand you are upset with it.. But you are the one acting "ENTITLED like you are "ENTITLED" to everything being EASY for you to get lol.. Guess you want an NPC to give you set gear for Daedra Hearts?

    you should really think before you post! :)

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    Edited by ZOS_Alex on September 2, 2015 4:12PM
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  • Sallington
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    Beedles wrote: »
    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.

    I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.

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    Edited by ZOS_Alex on September 2, 2015 4:13PM
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    Beedles wrote: »
    ...... till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    kind of not the point of a forum.... if you don't get to see other peoples views and opinions.

    If you just wanted to complain instead of constructively debate your opinion you would be better writing a ticket in game to complain.

    Or like the good old days, write a letter and mail it to the developers.
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  • Beedles
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    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    lol troll its my locknar! your just another entitled loud mouth. this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.

    I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.

    yeah free farming compared to having to group to get comps is comparable troll on fanboy ! GL with your meds
  • Techlisp
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    It is only a huge waste of time if they do not make any money from it.

    So you have to do the right thing, and vote with your wallet if you feel that strongly about it.
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  • Sallington
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    Beedles wrote: »
    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.

    I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.

    yeah free farming compared to having to group to get comps is comparable troll on fanboy ! GL with your meds

    You missed the point entirely. The only reason to risk getting into a PvP fight is to get PvP gear. And why would you do that if you hate PvP. You can "free farm" the new PvE dungeons all day if you want.

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    Edited by ZOS_Alex on September 2, 2015 4:13PM
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  • Funkopotamus
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    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.

    I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.

    yeah free farming compared to having to group to get comps is comparable troll on fanboy ! GL with your meds

    You missed the point entirely. The only reason to risk getting into a PvP fight is to get PvP gear. And why would you do that if you hate PvP. You can "free farm" the new PvE dungeons all day if you want.

    Woot!

    My signature maker has spoken!

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
    Edited by ZOS_Alex on September 2, 2015 4:13PM
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  • Iluvrien
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    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.

    I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.

    Just wondering if this also applies to the new Enchanting and Alchemy materials. Is it possible to farm the required potency runes and solvents outside IC too?

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
    Edited by ZOS_Alex on September 2, 2015 4:14PM
  • Beedles
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    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.

    I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.

    yeah free farming compared to having to group to get comps is comparable troll on fanboy ! GL with your meds

    You missed the point entirely. The only reason to risk getting into a PvP fight is to get PvP gear. And why would you do that if you hate PvP. You can "free farm" the new PvE dungeons all day if you want.

    I never said I hate PVP I hate loosing that many stones in 1 sec And I don't like being forced to pvp to get content. that's my opinion, most people will be on the loosing end of this pvp gank feast and like I said its not fun. go on and troll about what ever your thoughts are ,facts are facts people don't like to loose. I consider myself a average pvper and there is no surviving a zerg or nb ganker when you don't have time to react. All iam saying is make the 80% less like 50 or so or make it available through quests or something in pvp zone

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
    Edited by ZOS_Alex on September 2, 2015 4:14PM
  • Funkopotamus
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    Beedles wrote: »
    I
    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.

    I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.

    yeah free farming compared to having to group to get comps is comparable troll on fanboy ! GL with your meds

    You missed the point entirely. The only reason to risk getting into a PvP fight is to get PvP gear. And why would you do that if you hate PvP. You can "free farm" the new PvE dungeons all day if you want.

    I never said I hate PVP I hate loosing that many stones in 1 sec And I don't like being forced to pvp to get content. that's my opinion, most people will be on the loosing end of this pvp gank feast and like I said its not fun. go on and troll about what ever your thoughts are ,facts are facts people don't like to loose. I consider myself a average pvper and there is no surviving a zerg or nb ganker when you don't have time to react. All iam saying is make the 80% less like 50 or so or make it available through quests or something in pvp zone
    Beedles..

    Just be glad you were not around during the golden days of MMO's when Real Skill was involved and games like Asherons Call allowed you to loot players ENTIRE corpse.. Armor and all heh..

    Ohh the tears you would have shed...

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
    Edited by ZOS_Alex on September 2, 2015 4:14PM
    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington
  • Beedles
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    Beedles wrote: »
    I
    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.

    I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.

    yeah free farming compared to having to group to get comps is comparable troll on fanboy ! GL with your meds

    You missed the point entirely. The only reason to risk getting into a PvP fight is to get PvP gear. And why would you do that if you hate PvP. You can "free farm" the new PvE dungeons all day if you want.

    I never said I hate PVP I hate loosing that many stones in 1 sec And I don't like being forced to pvp to get content. that's my opinion, most people will be on the loosing end of this pvp gank feast and like I said its not fun. go on and troll about what ever your thoughts are ,facts are facts people don't like to loose. I consider myself a average pvper and there is no surviving a zerg or nb ganker when you don't have time to react. All iam saying is make the 80% less like 50 or so or make it available through quests or something in pvp zone
    Beedles..

    Just be glad you were not around during the golden days of MMO's when Real Skill was involved and games like Asherons Call allowed you to loot players ENTIRE corpse.. Armor and all heh..

    Ohh the tears you would have shed...

    um I was and I did play that game no tears where shed but i am shedding some for you , you mad bro?

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    Edited by ZOS_Alex on September 2, 2015 4:14PM
  • Funkopotamus
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    Also wanted to point out...
    The PVE gear is honestly better than the PVP sets..

    Just wait it out man.. The next DLC will just make it all obsolete anyway. Then when the hype calms down the "completionist" can grab it.
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  • Kupoking
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    Lost 3k stones yesterday. No hard feelings. Had a blast ganking in DC sewers getting them. The fight I died in was so epic that I felt like congraduating the team who got me down. Felt proud that my grp of 3 attracted a raid of 12 to get us down.

    Sometimes its not about the destination but about the journey.
    Edited by Kupoking on September 2, 2015 3:54PM
  • Funkopotamus
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    Beedles wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    I
    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.

    I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.

    yeah free farming compared to having to group to get comps is comparable troll on fanboy ! GL with your meds

    You missed the point entirely. The only reason to risk getting into a PvP fight is to get PvP gear. And why would you do that if you hate PvP. You can "free farm" the new PvE dungeons all day if you want.

    I never said I hate PVP I hate loosing that many stones in 1 sec And I don't like being forced to pvp to get content. that's my opinion, most people will be on the loosing end of this pvp gank feast and like I said its not fun. go on and troll about what ever your thoughts are ,facts are facts people don't like to loose. I consider myself a average pvper and there is no surviving a zerg or nb ganker when you don't have time to react. All iam saying is make the 80% less like 50 or so or make it available through quests or something in pvp zone
    Beedles..

    Just be glad you were not around during the golden days of MMO's when Real Skill was involved and games like Asherons Call allowed you to loot players ENTIRE corpse.. Armor and all heh..

    Ohh the tears you would have shed...

    um I was and I did play that game no tears where shed but i am shedding some for you , you mad bro?
    And you are "mad bro" about losing a few stones?

    I call BS on you playing AC lol.. If you get "Mad Bro-ed" over a few stones then you would have destroyed you PC after getting smashed in AC and losing a months worth of grinding for your gear..

    Sorry but Im calling you out here lol.

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
    Edited by ZOS_Alex on September 2, 2015 4:15PM
    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington
  • Sallington
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    Lost 3k stones yesterday. No hard feelings. Had a blast ganking in DC sewers getting them. The fight I died in was so epic that I felt like congraduating the team who got me down. Felt proud that my grp of 3 attracted a raid of 12 to get us down.

    Sometimes its not about the destination but about the journey.

    This is what IC is all about!
    Edited by Sallington on September 2, 2015 4:02PM
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    There should option to buy the stones in the crown store, so the rich could get them without being harassed by gankers!!!
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    JamilaRaj wrote: »
    There should option to buy the stones in the crown store, so the rich could get them without being harassed by gankers!!!

    All TV sets are Bind on Equip, so if you're in-game rich you could always go that route...
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    Robbmrp wrote: »
    nimander99 wrote: »
    @Beedles just follow the zerg near your area of the sewers, they will run a path in a huge circle, kill everything harvest stones ad nauseum, thats the game now... dont go up into the the city you will get ganked in less than a second... it isnt fun at all but its the only way to farm tv stones and armors for deco mats.

    Oh and yeah 80% TV stone loss removes all semblance of fun from pvp, so fyi devs that needs to be dropped to about 10% max.

    You don't need to go into IC for decon items. You can farm those mats by going into any dungeon now at V15 or V16. The bosses drop V15 and V16 gear to decon.

    True, but you get items in IC just casually doing PvE Dailies and opening chests when you come by them a lot faster.

    I have gotten ~35 items to decon just doing the main quest line and 6 dailies 1 time. You'd have to do ~5 dungeon runs to get what you can get doing 6 dailies in 1-2 hours. You're also getting 500+ Tel var stones from daily completion so it's effectively 2-3 times faster than running dungeons.
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    My suggestion: If you are not a dedicated/skilled solo pvper you should stick to groups. You will keep more of your stones. Going solo is a huge waste of time if you don't know what you are doing.
    Edited by timidobserver on September 2, 2015 4:09PM
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  • Tyr
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    Iluvrien wrote: »
    Sallington wrote: »
    Beedles wrote: »
    You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

    Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

    lol troll its my locknar! your just another entitled loud mouth. this content EFFECTS pve as well as pvp . please take all the sets armor available in pvp and make it not usable in pve and then I will agree with you till then keep YOUR views to your self .

    There's literally 6 armor sets that are available from TV stones, non of which would be preferred PvE sets (except maybe Black Rose). If you don't PvP, why would you even want TV stones? The rest can drop from the 2 new PvE dungeons that can be farmed. All of the mats can be farmed or deconned from gear from Silver/Gold pledge chests. There's literally no reason to step foot into IC if you don't want to.

    I'm assuming it's easier for you to just sit on the forums and complain though.

    Just wondering if this also applies to the new Enchanting and Alchemy materials. Is it possible to farm the required potency runes and solvents outside IC too?

    No, you need Tel Var stones for those unfortunately, though there might be chests in the Dungeons that drop them rarely. Not 100% sure on that.


    That's a good reason to slog through the dailies in the districts, though. a couple of hours of getting ganked occasionally is not so bad for 500+ TV stones reward...
    Edited by Tyr on September 2, 2015 4:13PM
  • Funkopotamus
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    My suggestion: If you are not a dedicated/skilled solo pvper you should stick to groups. You will keep more of your stones. Going solo is a huge waste of time if you don't know what you are doing.

    So much this..

    Not so much on PC as there is a harder time contacting the other person..
    But this will be easier on console.

    I have on many times went into the other factions area and sent PM's and we have had nights of "FightClubs" with 1v1's and 4v'4s a lot of the time..

    I swear if the community would think like this instead of a mindless buncha gankers things would be so much better.
    The other night we had a BLAST running this fight club for over 3 hours.
    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington
  • twistedmonk
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    Not sure how IC can be considered a PvP DLC when it is completely centered around 2 PvE dungeons and a PvE zone to kill PvE bosses.

    It is more accurately a Ganking / Zerging DLC for killing people trying to PvE.
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  • byrom101b16_ESO
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    @ZOS Alex

    There is little point making your statement.

    These threads always follow the same routine.

    PvEer complains about lack of fairness, PvP die hard calls them a carebear, whiner or makes some purile comment about their tears, and PvEer gets upset about the lack of respect and does the same back.

    The Kind of PvPer you find trolling the forums are the ones who nearly always start with the denigration, belittling and insults. Do the adult game playing population a favour and ban hammer these types would you? You forums would be better for it.
    Edited by byrom101b16_ESO on September 2, 2015 4:40PM
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