HUGE waste of time

Beedles · September 2015

game is going to die soon I think. that huge waste of time IC is a joke spend hours getting stones and lose it all to 1 sec fear and gank. not many people will play having this happen over and over . there no fun in being forced to go to pvp to get new armors. Also killed some players and never got any stones from them. happened several times players had just killed stuff to so they had stones. not sure what BS was happening there.
have a blessed day!

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Sallington · September 2015

It sounds like you expected collecting TVs to be extremely easy, and are sad that you now need to actually know how to play the game to get rewarded.

Sneaky-Snurr · September 2015

Lol

Zlater · September 2015

Fear and Cloak is stupid now, but what can you do? It used to be DK's, now its NB's.

Beedles · September 2015

Sallington wrote: »

It sounds like you expected collecting TVs to be extremely easy, and are sad that you now need to actually know how to play the game to get rewarded.

I don't care what YOU want, i am whining about IC here we are all filled up on crazy ty

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Troneon · September 2015

Troneon wrote: »

Tips for PVE players in IC.

1) Go full health and heal/tank build with LOTS OF MOBILITY AND STEALTH. SPAM ONE AOE DAMAGE SKILL.
2) Join a Zerg and stick to them like glue
3) Everytime you find yourself on your own and you see a zerg coming towards you...do the following.

Sallington · September 2015

Beedles wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

It sounds like you expected collecting TVs to be extremely easy, and are sad that you now need to actually know how to play the game to get rewarded.

I don't care what YOU want, i am whining about IC here we are all filled up on crazy ty

What? I feel like you're trying to communicate, but don't quite understand how to go about it.

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KerinKor · September 2015

Sallington wrote: »

It sounds like you expected collecting TVs to be extremely easy, and are sad that you now need to actually know how to play the game to get rewarded.

Because having to endure PVP is the way to encourage PVEers to enjoy the new content?

Hint for you: most PVEers never or only rarely PVP and I happily admit I suck at it because I don't enjoy it and don't do it .. hating PVP has nothing to do with expecting "collecting TVs to be extremely easy" when in reality the situation the OP is talking about seems to be typical PVPer ganking rathther than PVPers looking for 'fair fights' where they could conceivably LOSE!

Yattaq · September 2015

The thing is, if you stick with it you will "l2p". When justice came out, people were bad at it and lost money. Over time though people got better and it became a decent money making system for those who learned the tricks.

The info in this thread is geniunely useful http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212691/l2p-imperial-city-like-a-boss-tips-and-tricks

Qyrk · September 2015

Can't always experience a successful tv stones accumulation. You win some, you lose some. I lost a few thousand stones a few times now, but I also make it up with my spoils and also end up a good positive net at end of the day. I'm a PVE player but considering if got 27k stones and creeping up, I understand the risk vs rewards in IC as it was intended that way.

I've seen your posts,and it really seem like this won't be a game for you.

TheBull · September 2015

pro tip - Don't grind for hours before you bank....

nimander99 · September 2015

@Beedles just follow the zerg near your area of the sewers, they will run a path in a huge circle, kill everything harvest stones ad nauseum, thats the game now... dont go up into the the city you will get ganked in less than a second... it isnt fun at all but its the only way to farm tv stones and armors for deco mats.

Oh and yeah 80% TV stone loss removes all semblance of fun from pvp, so fyi devs that needs to be dropped to about 10% max.

Sallington · September 2015

Qyrk wrote: »

Can't always experience a successful tv stones accumulation. You win some, you lose some. I lost a few thousand stones a few times now, but I also make it up with my spoils and also end up a good positive net at end of the day. I'm a PVE player but considering if got 27k stones and creeping up, I understand the risk vs rewards in IC as it was intended that way.

I've seen your posts,and it really seem like this won't be a game for you.

Exactly! Maybe it's a generational thing where the younger crowd expects to be rewarded no matter what? Who knows, but it seems like people loose some stones and run right to the forums to complain about how it isn't fair.

The more time people spend in IC, the more apparent different tactics will be. You can get into your sewers, farm 500 stones and bank them in about 20-30 minutes. I've got my first 5 piece set and another 4k stones in the bank, and I've lost plenty of fights. You win some, you lose some is a great way to describe IC.

Valn · September 2015

Sallington wrote: »

Beedles wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

It sounds like you expected collecting TVs to be extremely easy, and are sad that you now need to actually know how to play the game to get rewarded.

I don't care what YOU want, i am whining about IC here we are all filled up on crazy ty

What? I feel like you're trying to communicate, but don't quite understand how to go about it.

i understood him pretty easily, not sure what the issue here is

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JD2013 · September 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

@Beedles just follow the zerg near your area of the sewers, they will run a path in a huge circle, kill everything harvest stones ad nauseum, thats the game now... dont go up into the the city you will get ganked in less than a second... it isnt fun at all but its the only way to farm tv stones and armors for deco mats.

Oh and yeah 80% TV stone loss removes all semblance of fun from pvp, so fyi devs that needs to be dropped to about 10% max.

I didn't get ganked in a second. People tried to kill me. Tried. 700 stones later I went on my merry way to bank them.

Sallington · September 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

@Beedles just follow the zerg near your area of the sewers, they will run a path in a huge circle, kill everything harvest stones ad nauseum, thats the game now... dont go up into the the city you will get ganked in less than a second... it isnt fun at all but its the only way to farm tv stones and armors for deco mats.

Oh and yeah 80% TV stone loss removes all semblance of fun from pvp, so fyi devs that needs to be dropped to about 10% max.

Why would you not go to a less populated server if you want to farm TVs without running into other people?

Also, stop being so dramatic.

Darlgon · September 2015

TheBull wrote: »

pro tip - Don't grind for hours before you bank....

Actually, that is an amateur tip.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/31/imperial-city-guide-tel-var-stones

ZoS wrote:

The UI will show you the amount of Tel Var Stones you carry, as well as your current Tel Var Stone gain multiplier. The multiplier rewards you for taking a risk and carrying all those stones with you. The multiplier increases the amount of stones you get from monsters (but not player characters.) It's based on the amount of Tel Var Stones you carry. Here's a rough break-down of how it works:

When you carry more than 100 Tel Var Stones but less than 1,000, the amount of stones you get from monsters in the Imperial City is doubled.
When you carry more than 1,000 Tel Var Stones but less than 10,000, the amount of stones you get from monsters in the Imperial City is tripled.
When you carry more than 10,000 Tel Var Stones, you will get four stones instead of one for every stone you loot from a dead monster! You crazy risk-taker, you.
Going back to the example above: If you kill a boss monster worth 500 Tel Var Stones with a group of four friends, and you are already carrying 4,000 stones, while your friends have 600, 100, and 10 respectively, you will earn 375 stones, while your friends will get 250, 250, and 125.

Robbmrp · September 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

@Beedles just follow the zerg near your area of the sewers, they will run a path in a huge circle, kill everything harvest stones ad nauseum, thats the game now... dont go up into the the city you will get ganked in less than a second... it isnt fun at all but its the only way to farm tv stones and armors for deco mats.

Oh and yeah 80% TV stone loss removes all semblance of fun from pvp, so fyi devs that needs to be dropped to about 10% max.

You don't need to go into IC for decon items. You can farm those mats by going into any dungeon now at V15 or V16. The bosses drop V15 and V16 gear to decon.

Sallington · September 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

pro tip - Don't grind for hours before you bank....

Actually, that is an amateur tip.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/31/imperial-city-guide-tel-var-stones

ZoS wrote:

The UI will show you the amount of Tel Var Stones you carry, as well as your current Tel Var Stone gain multiplier. The multiplier rewards you for taking a risk and carrying all those stones with you. The multiplier increases the amount of stones you get from monsters (but not player characters.) It's based on the amount of Tel Var Stones you carry. Here's a rough break-down of how it works:

When you carry more than 100 Tel Var Stones but less than 1,000, the amount of stones you get from monsters in the Imperial City is doubled.
When you carry more than 1,000 Tel Var Stones but less than 10,000, the amount of stones you get from monsters in the Imperial City is tripled.
When you carry more than 10,000 Tel Var Stones, you will get four stones instead of one for every stone you loot from a dead monster! You crazy risk-taker, you.
Going back to the example above: If you kill a boss monster worth 500 Tel Var Stones with a group of four friends, and you are already carrying 4,000 stones, while your friends have 600, 100, and 10 respectively, you will earn 375 stones, while your friends will get 250, 250, and 125.

This is exactly why I always leave 100 stones on me whenever I hit the bank. Start off with a 2x bonus, and losing 100 stones is no big deal if that happens.

Darlgon · September 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

@Beedles just follow the zerg near your area of the sewers, they will run a path in a huge circle, kill everything harvest stones ad nauseum, thats the game now... dont go up into the the city you will get ganked in less than a second... it isnt fun at all but its the only way to farm tv stones and armors for deco mats.

Oh and yeah 80% TV stone loss removes all semblance of fun from pvp, so fyi devs that needs to be dropped to about 10% max.

That ALSO is an amateur tip:

Actually, unless they changed the mechanic from announced, its MUCH worse to be in a zerg, but people dont realize it. This is from Rich Lambert on the ESO Live IC special, (timecode 56:28):

https://youtu.be/KmdWFdS_Hg8?t=3388

ZoS_ErickWrobel wrote:

You can have up to 12 contributors, (including those outside the group).... as long as you do up to 10% of the damage/heals,

ZoS_RichLambert wrote:

If you have 30 people beating on something, only 12 are gonna get something.

LadyDestiny · September 2015

Troneon wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

Tips for PVE players in IC.

1) Go full health and heal/tank build with LOTS OF MOBILITY AND STEALTH. SPAM ONE AOE DAMAGE SKILL.
2) Join a Zerg and stick to them like glue
3) Everytime you find yourself on your own and you see a zerg coming towards you...do the following.

Ha ha this made me giggle. Suicide run!

tplink3r1 · September 2015

Sallington wrote: »

It sounds like you expected collecting TVs to be extremely easy, and are sad that you now need to actually know how to play the game to get rewarded.

+1

twev · September 2015

Yattaq wrote: »

The thing is, if you stick with it you will "l2p". When justice came out, people were bad at it and lost money. Over time though people got better and it became a decent money making system for those who learned the tricks.

The info in this thread is geniunely useful http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212691/l2p-imperial-city-like-a-boss-tips-and-tricks

otoh, me and a lot of other players don't like PvP.

Which means that a lot of us will just stop playing at the point that we're out of PvE and PvP is all that's left.

No prob.
Everyone has the point where they have no reason to keep playing.
For some of us, PvP is it.
For others, the lag, 900+ latency and 1 to 5 FPS is enough to toss in the towel before we get further along enough to get to IC.

I don't like PvP, especially if I get looted, but having to give up my add-ons to keep playing PvE is pushing me to give up my sub and walk away way before I ever have to get to dread PvP in IC.

No whine, just stating that my motivation is evaporating.

willymchilybily · September 2015

I can understand the frustration OP, hopefully you just need to play a bit longer and adapt how you play slightly.

For me my biggest fear isn't the zergs. I'm sure they are terrible, but my actual fear is if i really try hard to take down a few mobs and someone uses that opportunity where i'm low on health/resources after killing the mob to engage me in combat killing me solo and getting 80% of my stones to them selves for a pretty cheap attack. least Zergs get diminished returns

That and also in 2 weeks these same topics will begin all over again with console release

vovus69 · September 2015

Agree with OP - this was really stupid idea to link new armor to the pvp areas. This should be available for pve too. I hope they will do something about that, otherwise they will lose the subscriptions.

Callous2208 · September 2015

I rarely pvp'd before this. IC is fantastic. Pvp is fun there even for my carebear arse. The geography of the districts is awesome. Questing has that added thrill of coming across enemy players. Its quite easy to make it back with a few hundred stones at a time and bank them. Once the pve crowd gets over the initial fear of pvp, I believe this expansion will be a boon to the games lifespan rather than a hindrance. Just get in there and try it people, I've sold my soul to the pvp gods...I want your stones!

J2JMC · September 2015

KerinKor wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

It sounds like you expected collecting TVs to be extremely easy, and are sad that you now need to actually know how to play the game to get rewarded.

Because having to endure PVP is the way to encourage PVEers to enjoy the new content?

Hint for you: most PVEers never or only rarely PVP and I happily admit I suck at it because I don't enjoy it and don't do it .. hating PVP has nothing to do with expecting "collecting TVs to be extremely easy" when in reality the situation the OP is talking about seems to be typical PVPer ganking rathther than PVPers looking for 'fair fights' where they could conceivably LOSE!

One question. Why should I give up any bonuses I get from stealth so you can have a "fair fight"? Especially when you can slot one skill (mage light or damage shield) to drastically reduce/or completely nullify the multiple skillpoints and gear I use to have a decent amount of crit or crit damage?

Would you also like me to run around with my fists out?

MikeB · September 2015

I hate the idea of IC. I despise the fact they are forcing PvE player's to PvP for new gear. Yes I know you can buy the new gear or mats but who wants to pay money for a DLC to not experience the content and just buy their gear? Buying gear is just as bad as someone just giving it to me, I want to earn my reward not have it given to me because I have enough gold.I hate How all PvP is in this game is a "gang" of people farming those with less numbers or ganking unexpected PvE people that are used to a controlled engagement with NPC's, not surprise attacks from a bunch of sadist looking to teabag you because they "owned" you when in reality they only "owned" you because they outnumber you. I will never step foot into the PvP area of IC but I will be buying the DLC for the very little PvE material added. There is a lot of potential with this game but you need the right people to realize it.

Funkopotamus · September 2015

You people need to understand IC just is NOT your DLC. There are more coming later for PVE.

Stop crying about it and wait for PVE content.........

Sallington · September 2015

MikeB wrote: »

I hate the idea of IC. I despise the fact they are forcing PvE player's to PvP for new gear. Yes I know you can buy the new gear or mats but who wants to pay money for a DLC to not experience the content and just buy their gear? Buying gear is just as bad as someone just giving it to me, I want to earn my reward not have it given to me because I have enough gold.I hate How all PvP is in this game is a "gang" of people farming those with less numbers or ganking unexpected PvE people that are used to a controlled engagement with NPC's, not surprise attacks from a bunch of sadist looking to teabag you because they "owned" you when in reality they only "owned" you because they outnumber you. I will never step foot into the PvP area of IC but I will be buying the DLC for the very little PvE material added. There is a lot of potential with this game but you need the right people to realize it.

You don't need to buy the DLC to have access to the new mats and gear, just for access to IC itself.

As for your last sentence, this is a great sign of the potential of this game. Exciting risk vs. reward gameplay that is tons of fun either as a large group, a small group or solo. 90+% of the game was solo PvE (that was incredibly easy), and people have been asking for a PvP update (of any kind) since launch. The people I play with, this exceeded our expectations. Very fun and challenging PvE encounters, with the constant threat of PvP.

Thymos · September 2015

Beedles wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

It sounds like you expected collecting TVs to be extremely easy, and are sad that you now need to actually know how to play the game to get rewarded.

I don't care what YOU want, i am whining about IC here we are all filled up on crazy ty

I don't care what YOU want, I am enjoying the game as they have presented it.

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