It was a complete pain in the ass, CoH as well.

Tanking is crap now, I dont care if "They feel its where they want it to be"... its lame, and has nothing to with skill as it impossible to see whats happening when everyone is skill dumping all the time. To make it feasable we need a way to remove other player skill effects from our screen so we know what attacks are coming.

paulsimonps wrote: »

I had no problem what so ever. Its just a matter of learning how to play the new system, if you think you can tank the way you used to now, you are ignorant at best. Things have changed learn what it takes to do what is needed of you now, adapt.

of course it's a l2p issue. tell me your build? are you a full stamina tank?

I did this dungeone twice yesterday. Once with my NB DPS and once with my DK DPS. The first group I ran with we had no issues at all.

The second group we must have not had enough dps or something becuase every fight took 3x as long. At the end the tank had 5 Daedroth on him when we kill the boss. Don't know how he did it but he was doing a nag up job. Seeing that gave me hope that tanking is not dead just because of no stam reduction. Seems like we already have people that have figured out how to tank just fine.

Welcome to elder scrolls of headless chickens lol

I tanked BC last night with my DK

I used my vr14 gear 5 hist bark + 5 footman + 2 engine guardian
270CP
31 magicka/32hp
3 stat food (before 1.7 i used drinks)
20k magicka/29k hp/15k stamina

I didn't have any real problem other than use 4 or 5 tripots. BUT:

- Before patch i was using 5 magnus + 3 healer + skoria + 2 torug, pulling 7k dps while tanking, cc and controlling the fight. It was a lot more fun and dynamic. Now its just a matter of decide when to block, when to not block (basically most of the time) and when ask for shards. Boring.

- I went with a templar using repentance and shards (i didn't need to ask for shards, but im pretty sure repentance helped me without noticing).

- 1 of the members of the group is near 1100 CP (magicka dps templar).

- We were all 4 in TeamSpeak and are prety experienced.

I used to chain all ranged mobs, talon, ash cloud and whip and standard of might to speed up the clearing. Now i use my magicka mostly in spiked armor,coagulating dragon blood, igneous shield and stone giant (im trying it) and as ulti i used take flight (the morph with the dmg shield) as a free tripot per pull. Basically all my build gravitates around having stamina and survive when i dont block.

Overal, it's not that bad when you have 250+ champion points, ,an experienced group and a templar in your group, but I don't like the changes. Tanking is less fun now than 2 days ago, at least for me.

I judge that this isn't quite the build you're looking for, as you've asked for stamina feedback. But, I was able to tank the VR16 scaled pledge last night, as a Magicka Sorceror.

Race: Altmer.
Stats: 18k HP, 35k MP, 9k Stam. VR15 Blue food Health/Magicka food, 64 points in Magicka.
CP: 100 Bastion, 100 Blessed, 30 Arcanist, 70 Magician, with a few extra points in other areas.
Mundus: The Lord (for a last-minute health boost)

Gear: 5 Healer, 4 Martial, 2 Torug's. This setup was put together for a heal spec, and wasn't ideal for what I was doing. It served, though. 3/3 Cost Reduction is very helpful.

Resto Bar 1: Inner Fire, Restraining Prison*, Healing Ward, Empowered Ward, Bound Aegis. Ult: Barrier
Resto Bar 2: Evasion, Rapid Regeneration, Healing Ward, Lightning Form, Bound Aegis. Ult: Power Overload
Overload Bar: Inner Fire, Power Surge, Empowered Ward, Bound Aegis, Inner Light.



* This ability is useless at Rillis, it was slotted for controlling Imiril's summons.

As can be surmised, this setup relies heavily on spell shields for survival. Lightning Form and Evasion are used for survival outside of their protection, if needed. Thankfully the shield overflow mechanic has been fixed with this update, and therefore you are not weakening yourself by allowing a hit against a low-value shield remainder. The Maw of the Infernal holds little threat to the setup. If Annulment or a morph of it is slotted as well, it would hold none. Watching your footing and keeping your shield up is likewise sufficient for the lesser keepers. Imiril is more challenging at VR16, and allowing her summons to build up is dangerous. Binding their feet quickly as they summon (twilights are immune) is helpful to allow your party to safely aoe.

When facing Rillis, I prioritized dumping my built up ultimate with Overload at the start of the fight; this is only relevant if the sorceror has more than 200 at the start. For the rest of the battle, you need only concentrate on using your Heavy attacks to maintain magicka, while downing extra Daedra with Overload until your party is comfortable saving them. Your shields will need to be actively maintained, keeping an eye on party health and taunt timers. If you notice the group is in trouble, Barrier can be deployed; if one person needs aid, your Healing Ward can assist from either bar. Groupmates can spread out enough that RR is more of a self-buff in this stage of the dungeon. Your focus should NOT be on playing sub-healer, as the combination of Daedroth melee and Rillis' ranged attack will keep you busy enough.

As my group's damage was less than ideal, I got plenty of practice with this setup. With properly managed Evasion and Heavy attacks, your resources should hold solid. I was using VR5 potions, so my regen could have been better; I was bottoming out a few times when my attention wavered.

If I had to do it again, I'd probably switch the spell damage gear for Armor Master, since Evasion would proc it. I do have S&B maxed and mastered, but I'm not habituated to its use. I lack gear combinations including a shield, and this run was a spur of the moment role switch for me. Hopefully someone can find some use of the info

paulsimonps wrote: »

DK Dunmer. Spec'ed into stamina as much as I can. My build is far from complete since I want to add new stuff from the new Jewelry/weapon sets. But I mainly run engine guardian and hist bark. That with using as many synergies as I can, picking up shards, using warhorn, and igneous shield has helped me keep my stamina up really well. That and you don't have to block all the time. And with the Daedroths in banished cells. Move away from them, and when they do their flame breath its the perfect time to re taunt and then gain some distance, they are slow so if you taunt and then move away you dont have to block them. And for the guy healing himself with absorb magick, you really shouldn't have to, let the healer heal you or if you are dk or templar use a self heal.

Remember the stamina you get back from Syngegies and shards as well as Earthen heart abilites is increased the more max stamina you have. I aim for around 26k when Im done with my new V16 set up but only at around 16k atm

I think, perhaps, we should explain our experiences as tanks while also considering what type of healer we have. Stam tanks are no issue when you're being fed shards and synergies.

Me and members of my guild don't often use tanks at all in pledges, even at V16. They just aren't needed honestly. Dps everything down, when you need to keep a few up just kite, use shields and down the boss. None of us were above v14 and I've done it on a V10 even. No big. Tanks largely unnecessary for most things.

My experience:

Well, the "fun" factor in tanking is out this new patch. I was able to run it when my group (Templar healer, two-handed stam NB DPS, dual-wield stam NB DPS, me, DK tank). All communicating in TS.

Race: Argonian (mmmm, masochism)
Class: DK
Attributes: 63 points Stam
Resources: ~14.5K Magicka, 25.8K Health, 24K Stam
Gear: 5/5 Hist v14, 5/5 Footman's v13/v14, Bloodspawn v14 (5HA, 1MA, 1LA)

For all it's worth I've been asking my healer to not run Repentance and Shards as a bit of Litmus Test of sorts. He does, however, have the Master's Staff from vDSA.

After pissing around with Caltrops I've dumped it totally from my bar. Vigor seems like a better ability for "snap" threat, even if it doesn't last as long as. I do miss the snare field, but ultimately not enough to justify the stam cost.

Smaller pulls are still nice and graceful, but bigger ones can be surmised to "running around, chicken, head cut off" which is very graceless, messy, sloppy and makes me feel like and flimsy tank. Many of the larger pulls (before + after Bubble Boss) I felt it probably would have been easier or better if I ran around with a two-handed sword spamming Brawler. Tanking does not shine in these scenarios and its sad for anyone looking to be a bastion of meat and metal between the enemies and your friends.

Maw of the Infernal: I can still do it by eating the fire pools. That is, I can stand there, self-buff, self-heal, and let my teammates kill him without moving him an inch from the circle. His un-breakable, un-blockable stun helps significantly to regain stamina (since you can't really do anything). Templar Healer casting healing springs on us over and over is great for stam regen (Master's Staff). No problems from me. All other bosses there was no change, other than the fights took significantly longer.

Rillis.

I had an absolutely b-tch of a time in CoH on Monday, so I was expecting more of the same with the Daedroths. Surprisingly, no. The fight took longer of course, but as a DK tank hitting my Molten Shield kept my stam topped just fine. I did end up with four Daedroth at the end (if only for a couple of seconds) and it didn't bother my stam pool too much. You need to really just side-step them when they breath fire and try to get a heavy hit in. It's not interactive or fun, of course, but compared to the wraiths they are 100% easier to deal with as far as stam pool goes. I'm sure I did end up hitting a tri-pot here. Ultimate, for sure though.

Conclusion: Some of the trash mobs were pretty ridiculous. However, this is my biggest complaint with ESO as a tank has been the visual "goop" which exists on the screen in large trash packs. With particle effects, moving around, mobs stepping around and blocking others, taunting / chaining just the ones you want to is a headache and a mini game all unto itself. This is why I loved Caltrops, because it at least offered several seconds of the mobs on me and me alone so I could get them in position for the group. Bosses were fine, HOWEVER I am venomously opposed to this change as it's no longer about fight mechanics so much as starting at a green bar on the lower right corner of my screen.

You bet your bum I ran out of stamina a lot, and it caused deaths which I'm not proud for.

TL:DR: Equip a healing staff, you're more useful as an off healer in trash packs as a "tank".

Good advice