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Todays Nerf, Your Feelings?
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bunnytrix✭✭✭✭
Zenimax...
Your players are getting fed up with the lack of competence in your lead combat designer...maybe its time to replace him with someone with a clear vision of what ESO combat should be.
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Sooner the better. Everything he does makes game worse.
This massive change to game obviously not even tested internally. Massive negative feedback from PTS totally ignored, just like all PTS feedback.
After a few hours in this garbage my tank has hung up her sword and shield. Tanking was really good fun. Now it is really horrible. No fun at all. No fun=no play=no $ for ZO$.
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »Also, magika Dk are back in full force. The perma blocking, lava whip monstrosity is back even more powerful than before cause now they can use proxy.
How are they back full force? If you are all light armor, you can't get out of the red in a hot fight now. One dodge-roll OR cc break per customer, and then if you block you're stuck, unable to regen for the next cc break or dodge-roll.
If they'd nerfed ONE of these things, it'd be workable. Just the block regen alone is a major game-changer for all classes and all builds. Throw in the escape nerfing and it's like the entire player base has been nerfed with a sledgehammer.
except with cost reduction in blocking, dodge rolling and break free, this is not that big of a problem. you only need one dodge roll which will not have the nerf kick in. reduced blocking makes perma-blocking nothing. not to mention the only thing going through it is fear. These dk builds were all over the pts. also, many builds like this are running upwards of 24k spell resist and 22k armor resist. while people were all yelling about magika nb and perma-cloaking, others were finding better builds and counters to magika nb. (which this dk set up is the perfect counter outside another nb using peircing mark.) let the dk and nb fighting resume like back in the good obowmanz607 wrote: »Also, magika Dk are back in full force. The perma blocking, lava whip monstrosity is back even more powerful than before cause now they can use proxy.
How are they back full force? If you are all light armor, you can't get out of the red in a hot fight now. One dodge-roll OR cc break per customer, and then if you block you're stuck, unable to regen for the next cc break or dodge-roll.
If they'd nerfed ONE of these things, it'd be workable. Just the block regen alone is a major game-changer for all classes and all builds. Throw in the escape nerfing and it's like the entire player base has been nerfed with a sledgehammer.
except with cost reduction in blocking, dodge rolling and break free, this is not that big of a problem. you only need one dodge roll which will not have the nerf kick in. reduced blocking makes perma-blocking nothing. not to mention the only thing going through it is fear. These dk builds were all over the pts. also, many builds like this are running upwards of 24k spell resist and 22k armor resist. while people were all yelling about magika nb and perma-cloaking, others were finding better builds and counters to magika nb. (which this dk set up is the perfect counter outside another nb using peircing mark.) let the dk and nb fighting resume like back in the good ol days.
Some of what you're saying is true for pvp; I love pvp and I am kind of looking forward to dying in new and interesting ways.
What I was talking about is overall, however. The extremely fun-to-play build I've been using involves mostly points into magicka, a few into health with none into stamina. So with good food I've held my stamina pool specifically to allow me to be nimble enough to fight in light armor with lower health at the edge of my abilities. It's demanding and taxing and sometimes really hard, and I love it. But now I can't do this, I will need to create "stand still and fight" tactics that are nothing like so exciting to play. Instead of casting a rune behind an enemy and roll-dodging through him, hitting him from behind and then laughing when he hits the rune, I will have to just key mash, for example. Because if he's not alone I can't afford the stamina cost of the roll-dodge.
I CAN adapt. But the adaptations I can see I'll need to make are much more pedestrian.
You should not be relying on dodge roll more than once or twice anyway. Throw on two pc med.0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭Zenimax...
Your players are getting fed up with the lack of competence in your lead combat designer...maybe its time to replace him with someone with a clear vision of what ESO combat should be.
Sooner the better. Everything he does makes game worse.
This massive change to game obviously not even tested internally. Massive negative feedback from PTS totally ignored, just like all PTS feedback.
After a few hours in this garbage my tank has hung up her sword and shield. Tanking was really good fun. Now it is really horrible. No fun at all. No fun=no play=no $ for ZO$.
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I disagree with this. Keep up the work zos. Also, they did listen to a lot of feedback. In fact, they listened to a ton. Just cause they stayed with things you don't like doesn't mean they didn't listen.0 -
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While I agree with the thread, what you are agree with makes no sense.
It is already established that magicka was better than stamina at launch. This was changed and everyone started going stamina. Now they are changing their change and stamina is being nerfed.
Clearly, the devs are very willing to change. Perhaps too willing. The problem I see is that there will always be whiny PvP people complaining, the devs will react, and other PvP players will whine about the new system.
I get that you are angry, but that doesn't give you a free pass on projecting questionable motivations with no basis.Edited by DaveMoeDee on September 1, 2015 7:38PM1 -
Blade_07✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »I will say this about the stam nerf IT WAS NEEDED!
I cannot count the number of times Stam DK's just stand there and perma block 4lyfe. It was boring!
Even worse if two DK's tried to duel it was honestly ***.
Or they could just nerf the champion system that lets you spec into block so much.
The early days of 1.6 were pretty balanced. The champion system is just bad for the game.
I agree. But I think they should have nerfed the champion system and left our damn stamina the hell alone. This thing is a huge mistake and even seeing how almost all players feel about this they will never change it back and then fix it correctly. To much damn pride and there god mentality to admit they made a mistake!
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Sensesfail13✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »I will say this about the stam nerf IT WAS NEEDED!
I cannot count the number of times Stam DK's just stand there and perma block 4lyfe. It was boring!
Even worse if two DK's tried to duel it was honestly ***.
boring for who?
did you ever think that you should, you know, counter those dks that bugged you so much rather than crying for the devs to help?
Yep our playstyle didnt fit their liking so screw us.Edited by Sensesfail13 on September 1, 2015 7:48PMWisherr, Dragonknight, Haderus, NA Server.
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Blade_07✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »I disagree with this. Keep up the work zos. Also, they did listen to a lot of feedback. In fact, they listened to a ton. Just cause they stayed with things you don't like doesn't mean they didn't listen.
Hmm...so not giving what customers want is a good thing? I do realize that only listening to a small group of people is not good at all but please listen to the majority for crying out loud!!!
Edited by Blade_07 on September 1, 2015 8:14PM“Man can live about forty days without food, about three days without water, about eight minutes without air, but only for one second without hope.”0 -
AshTal✭✭✭✭I wonder if any class / combo doesn't feel nerfed I am sure there are some and give it a few days and the power players will all have recreated and the only people who will feel it will be the people who believe they can play the way they want to play.1 -
Inactive Account✭✭✭✭This last patch and so called DLC is, as stated, geared towards the PvP end of things.
Good, PvP heeded " some love ", as they called it.
The problem that many people are upset about revolves around the changes in skill management.
Many people even from the PTS are in awe of the lack of feedback that Zos accepted from the community.
Some say that they did listen, but it's because they took an opposite route than some had suggested, that is why people are complaining..... Well I'd have to say Bull *** on that.
Zos Data Mines everything in ESOTU and I mean everything. They collect mass amount of data from live game play and use that information to come up with their sometime odd changes to skill lines and game mechanics.
(side note )
It is funny, 10-15 years ago we use to call these scripts Spy Ware, but now most online formats have these scripts running in all their programs. They say it's used to help the company perform a better focused service to their clients.
The problem with Data mining in an MMO is that when hard core players are on their rigs 6-8, or more, hours a day, every day, this small group of people are supplying a massive amount of data in comparison to the rest of the gaming community.
These people are also, because of the time spent in game, going to be some of the most high leveled players.
When this data is looked at for the purpose of changing or tweaking the game's dynamics, right off the bat, the mass majority of players have been marginalized. And because 80% of the data has come from 15-20% of the player base, again which are the highest, top geared, players, In ESOTU's case, they are also the ones with the largest amount of Champion Points, the data reflects that player base's play style.
This also affects the other aspects of the game, such as crafting lines, and yes, even the in game commodity markets.
When Zos puts these changes into the PTS to see how they run, the feedback that they receive from the community is not advice that they are looking for, it's to see if their data is playing out as they have anticipated.
Yes, sometimes it seems like they are listening to feed back, but in those rare cases, it is only because they have interpreted their data wrong and the changes they have implemented are truly not working out, so they make a slight adjustment.
Those three..., I will call them gentlemen, from the last ESO live, could not have the skills or the knowledge to come up with all these weird changes implemented, by them selves. They hide behind their data and hope things get accepted by the community.
I could go on but I think my rant is over for now.
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Blade_07✭✭✭✭I wonder if any class / combo doesn't feel nerfed I am sure there are some and give it a few days and the power players will all have recreated and the only people who will feel it will be the people who believe they can play the way they want to play.
Yeah, we certainly cant play the way we want to thats for sure.
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✭✭✭The word nerf depresses me. It is the one thing that is going to make me dislike this game.
My Stam NB Vampire is feeling sick right now, even with a so called buff.
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SturgeHammer✭✭✭✭I main Stam Sorc in Vet PvP and on paper the nerfs from the pts seemed pretty severe, but in practice they aren't as bad as I thought. So, I guess it could have been worse.First-in-Line - Swings-for-Lethal
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Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭PISSED!!!
Its like they don't test or play the game at all and it feels like they only ask someone else opinions of the game, when making decisions.0 -
Blade_07✭✭✭✭Oh yeah, I just remembered that I made a gold shield & sword a couple days ago for my VR12 tank getting it ready to finally be able to see and take part in the new VR12+ content. SNAP.....well thats been screwed over now! Thats an expensive slap in the face. Time/gold/precious mats completely wasted!Edited by Blade_07 on September 1, 2015 8:27PM“Man can live about forty days without food, about three days without water, about eight minutes without air, but only for one second without hope.”0
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »I disagree with this. Keep up the work zos. Also, they did listen to a lot of feedback. In fact, they listened to a ton. Just cause they stayed with things you don't like doesn't mean they didn't listen.
Hmm...so not giving what customers want is a good thing? I do realize that only listening to a small group of people is not good at all but please listen to the majority for crying out loud!!!
why is this majority nonsense keep coming up. do you have numbers on how many people play the game? do you get all of the feedback that zos gets? does your majority argument come strictly from looking at these forums? please explain how you have come to the conclusion that you know what the majority is. based on my experiences and many people i know we like the changes. it hurts but we adapt to it in what we believe to be better overall. I do not, however, think that the many players I talk to are the majority. just like these forums, the players i knoware a very small part of the player base. You have no idea what the majority is. people throw that out there like they have all the information. you dont. and really think about it from a business perspective. does it make sense to cater to the minority? that aside, there is no way any of us can really know what the majority is. (unless of course you assume that zos operates like a logical business and ops for going for more money over less. but that is just one opinion.)0 -
Inactive Account✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »I disagree with this. Keep up the work zos. Also, they did listen to a lot of feedback. In fact, they listened to a ton. Just cause they stayed with things you don't like doesn't mean they didn't listen.
Hmm...so not giving what customers want is a good thing? I do realize that only listening to a small group of people is not good at all but please listen to the majority for crying out loud!!!
why is this majority nonsense keep coming up. do you have numbers on how many people play the game? do you get all of the feedback that zos gets? does your majority argument come strictly from looking at these forums? please explain how you have come to the conclusion that you know what the majority is. based on my experiences and many people i know we like the changes. it hurts but we adapt to it in what we believe to be better overall. I do not, however, think that the many players I talk to are the majority. just like these forums, the players i knoware a very small part of the player base. You have no idea what the majority is. people throw that out there like they have all the information. you dont. and really think about it from a business perspective. does it make sense to cater to the minority? that aside, there is no way any of us can really know what the majority is. (unless of course you assume that zos operates like a logical business and ops for going for more money over less. but that is just one opinion.)
All you have to do is open up zone chat and ask a general question there about the changes.
The responses you get there mirror the posts here. Especially if you are talking to VR12s and below
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✭✭✭✭✭nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »I disagree with this. Keep up the work zos. Also, they did listen to a lot of feedback. In fact, they listened to a ton. Just cause they stayed with things you don't like doesn't mean they didn't listen.
Hmm...so not giving what customers want is a good thing? I do realize that only listening to a small group of people is not good at all but please listen to the majority for crying out loud!!!
why is this majority nonsense keep coming up. do you have numbers on how many people play the game? do you get all of the feedback that zos gets? does your majority argument come strictly from looking at these forums? please explain how you have come to the conclusion that you know what the majority is. based on my experiences and many people i know we like the changes. it hurts but we adapt to it in what we believe to be better overall. I do not, however, think that the many players I talk to are the majority. just like these forums, the players i knoware a very small part of the player base. You have no idea what the majority is. people throw that out there like they have all the information. you dont. and really think about it from a business perspective. does it make sense to cater to the minority? that aside, there is no way any of us can really know what the majority is. (unless of course you assume that zos operates like a logical business and ops for going for more money over less. but that is just one opinion.)
All you have to do is open up zone chat and ask a general question there about the changes.
The responses you get there mirror the posts here. Especially if you are talking to VR12s and below
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Blade_07✭✭✭✭I see that people are surprised about zenimax's incompetence about listening to the feed back from the PTS server. Well, they did the same damn thing in beta testing so they are just sticking to the way they roll. I think its just a big fricken lie to make people think that they actually give a crap about what the community cares about. They didnt listen to the people in beta and they have not listened to the people on the PTS server so what else is there to think about this whole thing? Makes me really wonder why Paul Sage quit working for zenimax.Edited by Blade_07 on September 1, 2015 8:48PM“Man can live about forty days without food, about three days without water, about eight minutes without air, but only for one second without hope.”3
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capnbinky✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Also, magika Dk are back in full force. The perma blocking, lava whip monstrosity is back even more powerful than before cause now they can use proxy.
How are they back full force? If you are all light armor, you can't get out of the red in a hot fight now. One dodge-roll OR cc break per customer, and then if you block you're stuck, unable to regen for the next cc break or dodge-roll.
If they'd nerfed ONE of these things, it'd be workable. Just the block regen alone is a major game-changer for all classes and all builds. Throw in the escape nerfing and it's like the entire player base has been nerfed with a sledgehammer.
except with cost reduction in blocking, dodge rolling and break free, this is not that big of a problem. you only need one dodge roll which will not have the nerf kick in. reduced blocking makes perma-blocking nothing. not to mention the only thing going through it is fear. These dk builds were all over the pts. also, many builds like this are running upwards of 24k spell resist and 22k armor resist. while people were all yelling about magika nb and perma-cloaking, others were finding better builds and counters to magika nb. (which this dk set up is the perfect counter outside another nb using peircing mark.) let the dk and nb fighting resume like back in the good obowmanz607 wrote: »Also, magika Dk are back in full force. The perma blocking, lava whip monstrosity is back even more powerful than before cause now they can use proxy.
How are they back full force? If you are all light armor, you can't get out of the red in a hot fight now. One dodge-roll OR cc break per customer, and then if you block you're stuck, unable to regen for the next cc break or dodge-roll.
If they'd nerfed ONE of these things, it'd be workable. Just the block regen alone is a major game-changer for all classes and all builds. Throw in the escape nerfing and it's like the entire player base has been nerfed with a sledgehammer.
except with cost reduction in blocking, dodge rolling and break free, this is not that big of a problem. you only need one dodge roll which will not have the nerf kick in. reduced blocking makes perma-blocking nothing. not to mention the only thing going through it is fear. These dk builds were all over the pts. also, many builds like this are running upwards of 24k spell resist and 22k armor resist. while people were all yelling about magika nb and perma-cloaking, others were finding better builds and counters to magika nb. (which this dk set up is the perfect counter outside another nb using peircing mark.) let the dk and nb fighting resume like back in the good ol days.
Some of what you're saying is true for pvp; I love pvp and I am kind of looking forward to dying in new and interesting ways.
What I was talking about is overall, however. The extremely fun-to-play build I've been using involves mostly points into magicka, a few into health with none into stamina. So with good food I've held my stamina pool specifically to allow me to be nimble enough to fight in light armor with lower health at the edge of my abilities. It's demanding and taxing and sometimes really hard, and I love it. But now I can't do this, I will need to create "stand still and fight" tactics that are nothing like so exciting to play. Instead of casting a rune behind an enemy and roll-dodging through him, hitting him from behind and then laughing when he hits the rune, I will have to just key mash, for example. Because if he's not alone I can't afford the stamina cost of the roll-dodge.
I CAN adapt. But the adaptations I can see I'll need to make are much more pedestrian.
You should not be relying on dodge roll more than once or twice anyway. Throw on two pc med.
Throwing on two pc med. is a nerf to magicka-based play, straight-up. My point was that the nerfs to blocking stam regen and roll-dodge are a hit to magicka-based light armor dks as well.
I am the type to play through all classes and styles eventually. I am also running a templar, a sorc and a stamina nb. All of them are unplayable in the style I was using for them. That's a pretty game-changing set of nerfs, bowman.0 -
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✭nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »I disagree with this. Keep up the work zos. Also, they did listen to a lot of feedback. In fact, they listened to a ton. Just cause they stayed with things you don't like doesn't mean they didn't listen.
Hmm...so not giving what customers want is a good thing? I do realize that only listening to a small group of people is not good at all but please listen to the majority for crying out loud!!!
why is this majority nonsense keep coming up. do you have numbers on how many people play the game? do you get all of the feedback that zos gets? does your majority argument come strictly from looking at these forums? please explain how you have come to the conclusion that you know what the majority is. based on my experiences and many people i know we like the changes. it hurts but we adapt to it in what we believe to be better overall. I do not, however, think that the many players I talk to are the majority. just like these forums, the players i knoware a very small part of the player base. You have no idea what the majority is. people throw that out there like they have all the information. you dont. and really think about it from a business perspective. does it make sense to cater to the minority? that aside, there is no way any of us can really know what the majority is. (unless of course you assume that zos operates like a logical business and ops for going for more money over less. but that is just one opinion.)
All you have to do is open up zone chat and ask a general question there about the changes.
The responses you get there mirror the posts here. Especially if you are talking to VR12s and below
zone chat. thats your fall back. many people dont even have their zone chat on.0 -
Blade_07✭✭✭✭nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »I disagree with this. Keep up the work zos. Also, they did listen to a lot of feedback. In fact, they listened to a ton. Just cause they stayed with things you don't like doesn't mean they didn't listen.
Hmm...so not giving what customers want is a good thing? I do realize that only listening to a small group of people is not good at all but please listen to the majority for crying out loud!!!
why is this majority nonsense keep coming up. do you have numbers on how many people play the game? do you get all of the feedback that zos gets? does your majority argument come strictly from looking at these forums? please explain how you have come to the conclusion that you know what the majority is. based on my experiences and many people i know we like the changes. it hurts but we adapt to it in what we believe to be better overall. I do not, however, think that the many players I talk to are the majority. just like these forums, the players i knoware a very small part of the player base. You have no idea what the majority is. people throw that out there like they have all the information. you dont. and really think about it from a business perspective. does it make sense to cater to the minority? that aside, there is no way any of us can really know what the majority is. (unless of course you assume that zos operates like a logical business and ops for going for more money over less. but that is just one opinion.)
All you have to do is open up zone chat and ask a general question there about the changes.
The responses you get there mirror the posts here. Especially if you are talking to VR12s and below
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gard✭✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Been playing IC for the last 5 hours. In all honesty, inside the confines of IC, apart from slightly reduced regen I actually feel like I've been buffed. Oh zenimax what have you done? I haven't tested it out in the open yet, and things might well change when new sets appear, but basically sorc feels like god-mode atm.
Edit: unless you have more than 3 people on you there is no need to use more than one shield. The other classes are not gonna like this when they find out.
Uh... Sorc has always been god mode for me. At least in pve. What's new?
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drzycki_ESO✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »I disagree with this. Keep up the work zos. Also, they did listen to a lot of feedback. In fact, they listened to a ton. Just cause they stayed with things you don't like doesn't mean they didn't listen.
Hmm...so not giving what customers want is a good thing? I do realize that only listening to a small group of people is not good at all but please listen to the majority for crying out loud!!!
why is this majority nonsense keep coming up. do you have numbers on how many people play the game? do you get all of the feedback that zos gets? does your majority argument come strictly from looking at these forums? please explain how you have come to the conclusion that you know what the majority is. based on my experiences and many people i know we like the changes. it hurts but we adapt to it in what we believe to be better overall. I do not, however, think that the many players I talk to are the majority. just like these forums, the players i knoware a very small part of the player base. You have no idea what the majority is. people throw that out there like they have all the information. you dont. and really think about it from a business perspective. does it make sense to cater to the minority? that aside, there is no way any of us can really know what the majority is. (unless of course you assume that zos operates like a logical business and ops for going for more money over less. but that is just one opinion.)
All you have to do is open up zone chat and ask a general question there about the changes.
The responses you get there mirror the posts here. Especially if you are talking to VR12s and below
zone chat. thats your fall back. many people dont even have their zone chat on.
Zone chat is the devil. I'm one of those that turn it off. Some people are nice and helpful but it seems the vast majority are attention seeking idiots. PLEASE don't base anything on zone chat.
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Ratbert✭✭DPS is now ***
lol I was thinking this when I got to this comment. The new goal is stack as much DPS as you can. No more healer, tank, etc (see trinity thread) and everyone just ker-smashes everything single target/close combat style before they run out of health. Then in a few months that'll be nerfed.Edited by Ratbert on September 1, 2015 8:57PM2 -
Blade_07✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »I disagree with this. Keep up the work zos. Also, they did listen to a lot of feedback. In fact, they listened to a ton. Just cause they stayed with things you don't like doesn't mean they didn't listen.
Hmm...so not giving what customers want is a good thing? I do realize that only listening to a small group of people is not good at all but please listen to the majority for crying out loud!!!
why is this majority nonsense keep coming up. do you have numbers on how many people play the game? do you get all of the feedback that zos gets? does your majority argument come strictly from looking at these forums? please explain how you have come to the conclusion that you know what the majority is. based on my experiences and many people i know we like the changes. it hurts but we adapt to it in what we believe to be better overall. I do not, however, think that the many players I talk to are the majority. just like these forums, the players i knoware a very small part of the player base. You have no idea what the majority is. people throw that out there like they have all the information. you dont. and really think about it from a business perspective. does it make sense to cater to the minority? that aside, there is no way any of us can really know what the majority is. (unless of course you assume that zos operates like a logical business and ops for going for more money over less. but that is just one opinion.)
All you have to do is open up zone chat and ask a general question there about the changes.
The responses you get there mirror the posts here. Especially if you are talking to VR12s and below
zone chat. thats your fall back. many people dont even have their zone chat on.
Your right in one respect and that is that we really have no way to know for sure who the majority really is on this topic. All we have is what we see on the forums and whats said in zone chat in game. I think its the best way we have of coming close to what we feel is the majority of people. This is just a guestimate and nobody has stated that this is FACT but rather an indication that indeed the majority dose not like this update. Yes, not 100% but I feel its a good guess.
AND...how do you know how many people dont have there zone chat on???? I dont see anything that implies this one way or the other.
Edited by Blade_07 on September 2, 2015 12:44AM“Man can live about forty days without food, about three days without water, about eight minutes without air, but only for one second without hope.”0 -
Inactive Account✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »I disagree with this. Keep up the work zos. Also, they did listen to a lot of feedback. In fact, they listened to a ton. Just cause they stayed with things you don't like doesn't mean they didn't listen.
Hmm...so not giving what customers want is a good thing? I do realize that only listening to a small group of people is not good at all but please listen to the majority for crying out loud!!!
why is this majority nonsense keep coming up. do you have numbers on how many people play the game? do you get all of the feedback that zos gets? does your majority argument come strictly from looking at these forums? please explain how you have come to the conclusion that you know what the majority is. based on my experiences and many people i know we like the changes. it hurts but we adapt to it in what we believe to be better overall. I do not, however, think that the many players I talk to are the majority. just like these forums, the players i knoware a very small part of the player base. You have no idea what the majority is. people throw that out there like they have all the information. you dont. and really think about it from a business perspective. does it make sense to cater to the minority? that aside, there is no way any of us can really know what the majority is. (unless of course you assume that zos operates like a logical business and ops for going for more money over less. but that is just one opinion.)
All you have to do is open up zone chat and ask a general question there about the changes.
The responses you get there mirror the posts here. Especially if you are talking to VR12s and below
zone chat. thats your fall back. many people dont even have their zone chat on.
Wow! Really?
You asked about feedback and I offerd up an other avenue, and you reply with that?
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lol I was thinking this when I got to this comment. The new goal is stack as much DPS as you can. No more healer, tank, etc (see trinity thread) and everyone just ker-smashes everything single target/close combat style before they run out of health. Then in a few months that'll be nerfed.
lmao...I can see this now. Everybody running around in large groups and zerging the hell outta everything.
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✭✭✭✭✭im currently just shy of 3k wep dmg, i split a dude for 10k, that was the highest dmg ive seen all day. then to top it off, npcs are taking longer to burn down as well, daedra,with hunter skill up even.0 -
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »I disagree with this. Keep up the work zos. Also, they did listen to a lot of feedback. In fact, they listened to a ton. Just cause they stayed with things you don't like doesn't mean they didn't listen.
Hmm...so not giving what customers want is a good thing? I do realize that only listening to a small group of people is not good at all but please listen to the majority for crying out loud!!!
why is this majority nonsense keep coming up. do you have numbers on how many people play the game? do you get all of the feedback that zos gets? does your majority argument come strictly from looking at these forums? please explain how you have come to the conclusion that you know what the majority is. based on my experiences and many people i know we like the changes. it hurts but we adapt to it in what we believe to be better overall. I do not, however, think that the many players I talk to are the majority. just like these forums, the players i knoware a very small part of the player base. You have no idea what the majority is. people throw that out there like they have all the information. you dont. and really think about it from a business perspective. does it make sense to cater to the minority? that aside, there is no way any of us can really know what the majority is. (unless of course you assume that zos operates like a logical business and ops for going for more money over less. but that is just one opinion.)
All you have to do is open up zone chat and ask a general question there about the changes.
The responses you get there mirror the posts here. Especially if you are talking to VR12s and below
zone chat. thats your fall back. many people dont even have their zone chat on.
Your right in one respect and that is that we really have no way to know for sure who the majority really is on this topic. All we have is what we see on the forums and whats said in zone chat in game. I think its the best way we have of coming close to what we feel is the majority of people. This is just a questimate and nobody has stated that this is FACT but rather an indication that indeed the majority dose not like this update. Yes, not 100% but I feel its a good guess.
AND...how do you know how many people dont have there zone chat on???? I dont see anything that implies this one way or the other.
First, i said "many people" this was generalized terminology and did not stipulate one way or the other. I only have my own experience to go on which includes how other people i know play the game. Second, your saying the majority based on the limited exposure you have had to other players insight on the game. Relying on a forums and zone chat, that operates much like the forums, for your "majority" insight is just ludacris. a person is more likely to put their opinion on forums online when they have a bad experience. people who dont have a bad experience continue to play the game cause they like it. So, it is important to understand that forums are always going to lean toward the negative side. moreover, zos other sources of information include but not limited to guild meetings, forums (on multiple sites), /feedback, /bug, live streams, posted videos and many more i am sure im missing. As for an opinon from my experience...I do not rely on the forums and zone chat to form my thoughts on majority player opinion. I obviously have my 5 guilds that I am a part of. also, my main guild has close ties with 5 other guilds that are located on multiple factions. there is a lot of bleed over from all guilds into each other. so, my exposure to player base opinions are varied and cross faction. ofcourse there is my rather large individual friends list. also, my main guild meets with zos, so we gather information from guild members about their feedback for zos. I have been in the game since beta and have been on the PTS for every major update constatly dueling and getting feedback from players on that server. Based on all that and my own experience playing the game I find that more often than not players understand there will be a bit of a learning curve and testing to get the builds right again, but ultimately will make the game better. I ofcourse do not think this constitutes the majority mainly because there is know way of ever knowing that. That is also not to say that I have not run into people that dont like it. I have run into those people just not as often. Overall, i will take my experience and the feedback I here over the yelling in the forums or zone chat any day. .1