Todays Nerf, Your Feelings?

Huggalump · September 2015

I'm not a tank, so feel free to disregard my opinion, but I feel like we should give it more than a day. I spent a lot of time on the PTS forum (fighting for my stam sorc brethren). At the start, there were a lot of threads like this. But overtime, more and more threads started coming up of people liking the 0% while blocking change and some threads of tanks saying it is very doable, just different.

So I'm not sure, maybe it is just a flat out bad change... but I think it needs more time to test and decide.

ColtPython · September 2015

Cavedog wrote: »

Yup, Zenimax just made a stamina tank nearly worthless. In addition, the changes to the nirnhoned bonus means that crux is worth very little, and still very hard to get. The reinforced trait is more valuable for most players now than nirnhoned is. It doesn't make any sense. I'm not impressed at all.

Imperial City might be very impressive, but I haven't cooled off enough to make it there yet. I'm just going to have to get all my stam guildies to go gank style. In hopes of pissing everyone else off. I can't even play my magic classes atm. Just rage.

SirAndy · September 2015

BRogueNZ wrote: »

Others consider how to change their playstyle to suit

@BRogueNZ
Yes, like i posted earlier, as long as the change to your play-style includes a pretty dress and a wooden stick, y'all do just fine ...

Avenias · September 2015

Kalfis wrote: »

NDwarf wrote: »

Ouch. We didn't get this patch on console yet but you PC guys make this DLC sound like Star Wars Galaxies NGE. Not good.

PC received the beta verison, the consoles will get the ACTUAL version later.

Hah good one.

radiostar · September 2015

Well, I had a really great tank with 40K health. But after putting her back together, seems she only got 38K health. Not sure where that nerf is coming from yet, but kinda the pits! I haven't tried a dungeon yet but I guess I could still survive. But any drain of her health is not good, Z!

Cavedog · September 2015

Huggalump wrote: »

I'm not a tank, so feel free to disregard my opinion, but I feel like we should give it more than a day. I spent a lot of time on the PTS forum (fighting for my stam sorc brethren). At the start, there were a lot of threads like this. But overtime, more and more threads started coming up of people liking the 0% while blocking change and some threads of tanks saying it is very doable, just different.

So I'm not sure, maybe it is just a flat out bad change... but I think it needs more time to test and decide.

They hosed the daylights out of stamina tanks. If you run pledges, you will find out very soon how badly they screwed over stamina based one hand and shield users. It's bad enough that everyone who plays in groups is going to take note.

aialghannam_ESO · September 2015

God dammit ZOS! What the hell were you thinking!! Tanks were very rare as is in PvE, now no one will play them. Bad move. My Stamina-built Tank that I spent hundreds of hours with is now useless in Vet. pledges! Very very stupid!! Bring back the pre-Imperial City Stamina Tank build please. And do it fast!

Yolokin_Swagonborn · September 2015

This is one of many casualties of the champion system.
The champion system and the meaningless vertical progression it provides is unbalancing the game and giving us the return of permablocking, perma dodgerolling, skill spam and other ills.

Even if ZOS nerfs blocking, dodging, bolting etc, they will have to do it again when people get more CP.

When 1.6 came out, some skills were nerfed, and blocking/dodging became more expensive if you weren't specced for it. Things were balanced for a short while. Then people started getting champion points.

To keep builds from getting ridiculous the controls have to go somewhere. We initially had controls on attributes/regen (aka softcaps). At the top end of the spectrum so to speak.

When softcaps were removed, we started seeing controls placed (inconsistently) on individual skills and on game mechanics (block, roll, etc)

Now game mechanics are getting direct controls which will have to get harsher and harsher because of the meaningless stat progression. Just wait till patch 1.8 drains stam just by holding block. It will happen. Trust me.

If that wasn't enough, they are now nerfing the gear. Notice the lack of any new sets with jewelry + armor. That's not accidental. It's to limit your theorycrafting creativity. The V16 level raise was a gear grab to get all the old legacy sets out of the system.

So theorycrafting is restricted, interesting builds are restricted, non-templar healers wont find a group, core mechanics are fundamentally changed. All so you can have bragging rights of having more CP than other players because you grinded skyreach or bought XP pots from the clown store.

The champion system is toxic to this game and the source of all these problems.

EnOeZ · September 2015

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We do not know what is the true decision process and who has the power.
But for me too it's combat design that will keep me away or make me fully invest into TESO.
And the current state of combat design is not good (Heavy Armor, Stamina design, Melee PVP unscaling, PVP Balance, stamina return on heavy melee attacks wth ???.... etc.), as is the fact Combat design has no honor in TESO LIVE with at least some (serious for once) Q&A, not picking only the easy and superficial questions.

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Inactive Account · September 2015

Instead of expanding the possible number of viable, builds, this patch has taken one more step closer to limiting that number.

There was, in the past, a large number of different builds people came up with that were useful. Now we are, it would seem, being forced to stifle our creativity and fall into line with what seems to be an ever decreasing number of choices: if we want to remain competitive.

They use to say " Play any class, any way you want. " but more and more that choise is being removed.

Mojmir · September 2015

I literally ran out of stamina going from the craglorn wayshrine to the stables,I have 35k stamina

Avenias · September 2015

nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »

Instead of expanding the possible number of viable, builds, this patch has taken one more step closer to limiting that number.

There was, in the past, a large number of different builds people came up with that were useful. Now we are, it would seem, being forced to stifle our creativity and fall into line with what seems to be an ever decreasing number of choices: if we want to remain competitive.

They use to say " Play any class, any way you want. " but more and more that choise is being removed.

When they play any class u want anyway u want, what they meant was only the ones erik wrobel find fun playing.

Blade_07 · September 2015

This is certainly depressing. I am VERY seriously considering on leaving this complete fail of a game behind me for good! When something pi$$es you off much more then make you happy then you need to cut your losses and drop it to the black oblivion where it belongs.
I just got my DK stamina tank to VR12 and was finally looking forward to doing some of the VR12+ content but not now. All that time and effort has been literally taken from me from the people that I give my money to. I really need to ask my self, is this crap really worth it? This game is now seriously FUBAR to be honest and it was that way from the start.

Avenias · September 2015

Blade_07 wrote: »

This is certainly depressing. I am VERY seriously considering on leaving this complete fail of a game behind me for good! When something pi$$es you off much more then make you happy then you need to cut your losses and drop it to the black oblivion where it belongs.
I just got my DK stamina tank to VR12 and was finally looking forward to doing some of the VR12+ content but not now. All that time and effort has been literally taken from me from the people that I give my money to. I really need to ask my self, is this crap really worth it? This game is now seriously FUBAR to be honest and it was that way from the start.

Thank you for ur support, come back soon. Your money will be needed again.

Moonshadow66 · September 2015

Blade_07 wrote: »

This is certainly depressing. I am VERY seriously considering on leaving this complete fail of a game behind me for good! When something pi$$es you off much more then make you happy then you need to cut your losses and drop it to the black oblivion where it belongs.
I just got my DK stamina tank to VR12 and was finally looking forward to doing some of the VR12+ content but not now. All that time and effort has been literally taken from me from the people that I give my money to. I really need to ask my self, is this crap really worth it? This game is now seriously FUBAR to be honest and it was that way from the start.

Say, did you happen to be in Craglorn today (PC/NA/EP)? I could swear I saw someone typing the exact same things in the zone chat..^^

SirAndy · September 2015

Mojmir wrote: »

I literally ran out of stamina going from the craglorn wayshrine to the stables,I have 35k stamina

bowmanz607 · September 2015

i can honestly say that there is nothing i can really complain about. the dodge roll nerf has not effected my stamina build. simply put stam recovery on my jewlery. still plenty of perma blocking going on, but it requires you to spec to it losing valuable points elsewhere. not to mention you know you can eventually run them out of stamina. magika builds got a buf through the nirn fix. vamp and WW have downsides. There is a counter to shields. the pvp is adreniline pumping with the stones. my DW got a buff which is a plus for me anyway. (since I am one of few who run it over 2H.). stam sorcs have better options. impen trait is actually useful again especially combined with the crit dmage reduction in champ points. looks like spell erosion and piercing strikes were fixed. (still need to check this out though). vigor is now available to all my toons. dawnbreaker was fixed. and i am sure there are more things. That is just off the top of my head.

The Uninvited · September 2015

abuniffpreub18_ESO wrote: »

They nerfed enchanting. I tried enchanting some magicka for a templar I'm raising and what used to be about 150 on armor is now 117 for a level 12.

Anyway with the enchanting change they pretty well nerfed the game for me. You may say it's not that much but it is to me. I think I'll look around and see what else is out there to play.

Now try and enchant a piece of jewelry, it's about double the value of what it was before. So yeah, enchanting on armor is lower but on jewelry it's higher.

BigM · September 2015

Like any other game we deal with it and find a way around it. This isn't any thing different from other games nerfs.

Lylith · September 2015

ADarklore wrote: »

It isn't JUST craft enchanting, all purchased enchantments have also been nerfed. It just irritates me that they nerf players and buff enemies... instead of doing one or the other. Like many others have noted, for some reason MMOs cannot LEARN from other MMO's mistakes... instead they repeat history over and over. This is an example of what ALL MMOs suffer from, the "pendulum effect". In order to make an IMPACT in the game, the devs over nerf or over buff something so that players will notice... but then a short time later will have to go through a serious of 'adjustments' to FIX their overzealous approach.

Instead, what they should do- having LEARNED from other MMO mistakes... is to make gradual changes. Also, they should learn that listening to a vocal minority is very bad for business- especially the MMO business- where new ones are popping up all the time. MMOs cannot afford to alienate players, yet, they seem to constantly make the same mistakes which in the end do nothing but alienate players.

because it cannot be said enough.

wonder if anyone's listening?

twistedmonk · September 2015

stamina heavy armor is the new meta - apparently you guys are not informed.

consider yourself informed.

Wing · September 2015

twistedmonk wrote: »

Magicka heavy armor is the new meta - apparently you guys are not informed.

consider yourself informed.

fixed

Mighty_oakk · September 2015

bowmanz607 wrote: »

i can honestly say that there is nothing i can really complain about. the dodge roll nerf has not effected my stamina build. simply put stam recovery on my jewlery. still plenty of perma blocking going on, but it requires you to spec to it losing valuable points elsewhere. not to mention you know you can eventually run them out of stamina. magika builds got a buf through the nirn fix. vamp and WW have downsides. There is a counter to shields. the pvp is adreniline pumping with the stones. my DW got a buff which is a plus for me anyway. (since I am one of few who run it over 2H.). stam sorcs have better options. impen trait is actually useful again especially combined with the crit dmage reduction in champ points. looks like spell erosion and piercing strikes were fixed. (still need to check this out though). vigor is now available to all my toons. dawnbreaker was fixed. and i am sure there are more things. That is just off the top of my head.

The nerfs haven't effected me either. I haven't logged in in weeks

AngryNord · September 2015

Wing wrote: »

BRogueNZ wrote: »

So whats the nerf? You dont regen stamina while blocking?

Or is it that they fixed the bugs/explits you've been relying on for the last x months

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular but considering magicka based dps have had this..

L2P

L2Read

stamina regen while blocking.

I bet you quoted the 'alter ego' of a ZOS employee...

usmcjdking · September 2015

Loading screen nerf is worst nerf this patch.

Swarog · September 2015

Welcome!
Feel like a tank without resources.

twistedmonk · September 2015

elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Black+Rose+Set

Black Rose set. With the right build, you'll have close to 40K stamina. This is the new meta boys for tanks and pvp.

I've seen live streams that you basically perma-block = ie crystal frags hits you for like 1k dmg..lol

I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out the right champion pts, jewelry etc.

Type: Heavy Armor Set
Upgraded by: Blacksmith
Style: Aldmeri, Daggerfall or Ebonheart
Enchantments: Max Health
Traits: Impenetrable
Bonuses (at VR16):
(2 items) Adds Max Health
(3 items) Adds Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds Weapon Damage
(5 items) When you successfully block an attack gain 20% chance to recover 780 Stamina.

AngryNord · September 2015

twistedmonk wrote: »

elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Black+Rose+Set

Black Rose set. With the right build, you'll have close to 40K stamina. This is the new meta boys for tanks and pvp.

I've seen live streams that you basically perma-block = ie crystal frags hits you for like 1k dmg..lol

I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out the right champion pts, jewelry etc.

Type: Heavy Armor Set
Upgraded by: Blacksmith
Style: Aldmeri, Daggerfall or Ebonheart
Enchantments: Max Health
Traits: Impenetrable
Bonuses (at VR16):
(2 items) Adds Max Health
(3 items) Adds Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds Weapon Damage
(5 items) When you successfully block an attack gain 20% chance to recover 780 Stamina.

Wasn't that changed on the last udate on PTS?

Stravokov · September 2015

last three patches have been a roller coaster. first my Nightblade drain power magicka tank was awesome, then they buffed stamina to the point of it out doing NB Magika so i rolled stamina. now we are back to magicka dominating... they have no idea how to balance the game clearly lol.

next patch stamina will be on top again

Wing · September 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

twistedmonk wrote: »

elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Black+Rose+Set

Black Rose set. With the right build, you'll have close to 40K stamina. This is the new meta boys for tanks and pvp.

I've seen live streams that you basically perma-block = ie crystal frags hits you for like 1k dmg..lol

I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out the right champion pts, jewelry etc.

Type: Heavy Armor Set
Upgraded by: Blacksmith
Style: Aldmeri, Daggerfall or Ebonheart
Enchantments: Max Health
Traits: Impenetrable
Bonuses (at VR16):
(2 items) Adds Max Health
(3 items) Adds Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds Weapon Damage
(5 items) When you successfully block an attack gain 20% chance to recover 780 Stamina.

Wasn't that changed on the last udate on PTS?

yes. . .it was nerf'd HA!