Campaign Guesting
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Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Asinine. They provide their own "work around" for the very thing they were trying to eliminate.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Asinine. They provide their own "work around" for the very thing they were trying to eliminate.
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Anazasi✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can no long simply travel to a player you can no longer solo move from one campaign to another. The group mechanic has always been the issue though. You will need to address this sooner than later because it will remain broken till you solve this matter.0 -
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✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »We have been working on getting the ability to have multiple characters on accounts from different Alliances allowed to play in the same Campaign, but no ETA on when that will go live.
Bad idea, this is part of the problem, being able to switch factions in a campaign because you want to join the winning team or to emp farm is just bad, to me this defeats the whole spirit of three faction warfare, no faction pride, no drive to support a faction, I hope you take a long slow look at this before acting upon it.0 -
krim✭✭✭✭✭Working on the ability to have multiple chars from different Alliances in the same campaign. That seems like a really hard thing to do. So hard there is no ETA because you have to strip the game down again and change all of its mechanics to do it right. So while you working on it @ZOS_BrianWheeler maybe you can fire yourself from the company and whoevers idea it was for 1.6 and beyond so things can actually be done right. You devs over there truly have no idea what the game needs and lack any type of long term vision. imo2 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭kevlarto_ESO wrote: »ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »We have been working on getting the ability to have multiple characters on accounts from different Alliances allowed to play in the same Campaign, but no ETA on when that will go live.kevlarto_ESO wrote: »Bad idea, this is part of the problem, being able to switch factions in a campaign because you want to join the winning team or to emp farm is just bad, to me this defeats the whole spirit of three faction warfare, no faction pride, no drive to support a faction, I hope you take a long slow look at this before acting upon it.
I don't want to encourage cheaters but the truth is I really really don't care about faction pride. I'll fight for or with my friends more than anything else, and it's so frustrating to not be able to take AD character to meet up with someone in a campaign because EP character was there two weeks ago.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis1 -
Starshadw✭✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »In the upcoming Imperial City patch we have disabled the ability to use “Jump to Group leader” in PVP Zones however we have not disabled the ability to queue with group mates via the Campaign Queue’ing system. This means if player A is assigned to Haderus and player B is assigned to Chillrend and they are grouped, they can queue to join the others Home assignment. They cannot join each other’s Guest assignment however. A lot of feedback and concerns have been mentioned about getting stuck in a campaign that you might not want to be in, and this change is partially to address that.
This... is incredibly disheartening. One of the issues many of us hoped you were fixing is the ability ofpeople to travel from campaign to campaign willy-nilly. Yet your response here makes it obvious that you haven't solved this problem at all.
This:We have been working on getting the ability to have multiple characters on accounts from different Alliances allowed to play in the same Campaign, but no ETA on when that will go live.
is also disheartening. A player should NOT be able to play their AD, EP and DC characters in the same campaign or travel to that campaign. Ever. It promotes cheating and exploiting. Spying is just the tip of the iceberg. Just a few nights ago, we had two players who logged onto their AD characters, removed a DC scroll from an AD keep and ran it all the way back into DC territory, whereupon they switched to their DC characters and placed the scroll in a DC keep. We have players who will switch to another faction character, then help their friends get into keeps. The list goes on and on. If your AD character is in a particular campaign, then your EP character and/or DC character should NOT be able to be in that same campaign.
This single thread has utterly annihilated a lot of the hope I had that we were finally getting some changes that would help improve PvP. It's just... so disappointing.
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sounds like not getting AP on your ... 'secondary' members of a campaign would not be a solution.
I really don't like cheaters and I really understand the need for improving PvP.
And I really want to play with my friends on ... overlapping campaigns. Anyone have any suggestions?Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It would be nice if the choice of campaign was actually a meaningful choice with actual consequences other than the *** rewards you get.1 -
Starshadw✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »And I really want to play with my friends on ... overlapping campaigns. Anyone have any suggestions?
The most obvious one is that people who want to PvP together should choose the same campaign. It surely can't be that hard to talk to the people you want to PvP with and say "Hey, let's decide on a campaign."
Even worse - it doesn't look like even the supposed changes made it into the game. Last night, we tested it, and as soon as you were in a group, you could solo teleport into a campaign (Home, Guest or neither) using the Alliance War window.
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DezIsDead✭✭✭✭Great we have heard your side of the story. Personally I'm happy there is still a work around. I have toons on multiple factions that I strictly PvP with. Not having this option and considering there is usually only two high pop campaigns means if there wasn't a work around I'd be stuck playing solo on a buff campaign (although those are pretty much gone). No one will be enp farming because wtf is the point of emo farming now? No former enp passive a so no need to get it on each of your toons. Idk why you guys are so adamant about removing this option. You really think people spy on zone chat? No no one cares on other alliances what the average group is doing. You really thing someone is like "hey get on your DC and tell me what their doing".Dez Is Dead vr16 AD Sorc
Rez Dez vr16 DC sorc
Aimer Cantentius VR16 DC NB AKA Needs Vigor
Vanreimus Comeback DC DK
Ihealedurmum VR8 AD temp
Unonti VR crafting sloot
Zoschasedawaymyfweinds EP Temp1 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »And I really want to play with my friends on ... overlapping campaigns. Anyone have any suggestions?The most obvious one is that people who want to PvP together should choose the same campaign. It surely can't be that hard to talk to the people you want to PvP with and say "Hey, let's decide on a campaign."
Problem is that we all have characters in all campaigns and we are NOT all in the exact same 5 guilds. So no, it's not that easy.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »In the upcoming Imperial City patch we have disabled the ability to use “Jump to Group leader” in PVP Zones however we have not disabled the ability to queue with group mates via the Campaign Queue’ing system. This means if player A is assigned to Haderus and player B is assigned to Chillrend and they are grouped, they can queue to join the others Home assignment. They cannot join each other’s Guest assignment however. A lot of feedback and concerns have been mentioned about getting stuck in a campaign that you might not want to be in, and this change is partially to address that.
This... is incredibly disheartening. One of the issues many of us hoped you were fixing is the ability ofpeople to travel from campaign to campaign willy-nilly. Yet your response here makes it obvious that you haven't solved this problem at all.
This:We have been working on getting the ability to have multiple characters on accounts from different Alliances allowed to play in the same Campaign, but no ETA on when that will go live.
is also disheartening. A player should NOT be able to play their AD, EP and DC characters in the same campaign or travel to that campaign. Ever. It promotes cheating and exploiting. Spying is just the tip of the iceberg. Just a few nights ago, we had two players who logged onto their AD characters, removed a DC scroll from an AD keep and ran it all the way back into DC territory, whereupon they switched to their DC characters and placed the scroll in a DC keep. We have players who will switch to another faction character, then help their friends get into keeps. The list goes on and on. If your AD character is in a particular campaign, then your EP character and/or DC character should NOT be able to be in that same campaign.
This single thread has utterly annihilated a lot of the hope I had that we were finally getting some changes that would help improve PvP. It's just... so disappointing.
Let me paint a picture for you.
I have a blue. She is homed on Azura'a.
I have a red. She is homed on Thorn.
What am I supposed to do when my blue guild plays on Thorn?
If you have it your way, I will have no choice but to play on my red.Edited by Joy_Division on September 2, 2015 12:10PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
Starshadw✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Let me paint a picture for you.
I have a blue. She is homed on Azura'a.
I have a red. She is homed on Thorn.
What am I supposed to do when my blue guild plays on Thorn?
If you have it your way, I will have no choice but to play on my red.
Why would you and your guild not ensure that the home/guest campaigns of everyone's blue characters matched? This is what continues to baffle me. If you're in a PvP guild, presumably it's because you want to group and PvP with the people in that guild. So why would you, or anyone else, have characters homed/guested on different campaigns than the ones the guild is homed/guested in?
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Why would you and your guild not ensure that the home/guest campaigns of everyone's blue characters matched? This is what continues to baffle me. If you're in a PvP guild, presumably it's because you want to group and PvP with the people in that guild. So why would you, or anyone else, have characters homed/guested on different campaigns than the ones the guild is homed/guested in?
Five guildsTenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Starshadw✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »Five guilds
I find it difficult to believe that all five guilds would be heavy PvP guilds. And then there's the issue of having multiple characters - by and large, most guilds (that aren't the mega trade guilds, etc) lean towards one faction or the other. So, PvP with that guild with whatever faction they lean towards, using the character you have of that faction.
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Akgurd✭✭✭Wow.... Thought it's gonna be less of jump ship crap and now you're trying to bring that back? Just wow...Aknight0