JamilaRaj wrote: »

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

I'm not much of a PvP guy, but when there is (Payed) dlc, especially when it is deemed necessary for leveling, it would be nice to access it without restrictions.

It would be nice if ZOS stopped subjugating game mechanics to it's business model.

Huh? Aren't they doing the opposite? Aren't they potentially leaving money on the table by making the DLC unappealing to players who are PvE oriented? I am not planning on buying this any time soon.

This DLC shows integrity as they have prioritized adding something new to the game over uncontroversial easy money.

Aquanova wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Psst, you can buy the new gear once enough people start farming it.

Unless it's $Free.99, No thanks I'll go farm my own.

I thought you don't have that much time... In any case anyone who thinks open access is a good idea doesn't pvp much, especially during primetime

@ZOS_RichLambert

So you see where this is going.... When you talked about this being a patch for pvpr's it's almost looking like lip service now.

1. All access to IC causing Cyrodiil proper to lose meaning, we kinda been waiting for this for over a year.
2. AP value stripped
3. Questionable gear compared to dungeon gear

Come on man. What gives?

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

I'm not much of a PvP guy, but when there is (Payed) dlc, especially when it is deemed necessary for leveling, it would be nice to access it without restrictions.

It would be nice if ZOS stopped subjugating game mechanics to it's business model.

Huh? Aren't they doing the opposite? Aren't they potentially leaving money on the table by making the DLC unappealing to players who are PvE oriented? I am not planning on buying this any time soon.

This DLC shows integrity as they have prioritized adding something new to the game over uncontroversial easy money.

It has nothing to with players being either PvP or PvE oriented. ZOS can not make universally appealing DLC for players with mutually exclusive demands. It might try, I am even inclined to say it will try at some point (once some corporate zombie realizes making one DLC is cheaper than making two and they will have no more DLCs stashed away), but will end up with thoroughly, universally unappealing DLC that will sell only to a degree to which it will contain e.g. ridiculously OP gear (hardly uncontroversial easy money).
The point is, however, that the IC had been concieved in the compulsory subscription era, $15 for the whole game, no matter what parts one liked or disliked. Then ZOS switched to P2W and realized that some players might be irked by paying for something they would have sort of random access to. That it could lose them and their money. And so they decided to dumb it down, for everyone else and, ironically, even those irked players.

Aquanova wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

I have to applaud ZOS's decision to have open access, and it has nothing to do with "whiny pve", it has to do with being practicle! I work a 10hr shift, 6 days a week, with only a 3 to 4hr window a night to play. I want access to the new dropped sets and crafted ones when my time allows! Not when my faction gains access to it, which may or may not be while I'm on. I and many others don't have time to play for 1 or 2 hours just to try and capture a keep and maybe gain access to IC. This is just my personal reasons why open access is a good idea. I'm sure ZOS'S considered other factors as well like, would no open access encourage buff server's.Good job ZOS! glad to see these forums that have a lot of disinformation, bias and straight up manipulation in them don't always dictate your decisions.

If you don't have enough time to play this game perhaps you should find one that caters to your schedule instead of lauding ZOS for dumbing it down for the rest of us. May I suggest:

@eventide03b14a_ESO I don't have to find one that caters to my schedule. They made the choice already brainiac! If you don't like it why don't you go find one that caters to your "no life" existence! Real adults work for a living, pay bills, pay for their own games and subscriptions. Not sure your old enough to grasp that. The "dumbing down" you speak of would have only created buff server's where not only would there be no AvAvA in IC, but also the rest of Cyrodiil. Would you prefer that instead?

They won't have buff servers anymore because the buffs don't leave Cyrodiil. If you didn't make uniformed comments before doing research you'd know that. I'm not sure why you assume I don't have a job, but even so, I still manage to find time to log into the game and not totally suck at it. Like I said in my previous post I think you should maybe find a game that is more your speed. Maybe a mobile app so you can play on your break? I suggest:

Sanct16 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Limiting access to IC will just lead to new buff campaigns where PvErs can do PvE in IC without getting interrupted.

This is why uninformed people shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions. Buffs no longer carry outside Cyrodiil. So basically your whole argument is null and void. Thanks for playing though.

I really didn't think that the easy argument I posted could be missunderstood by anyone. Since you decided to be an arrogant prick, let me add: This is why stupid people shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions.

What I mean (thought it would be obvious....) is that limiting access to IC would give players a HUGE incentive to completly cap a certain campaign in the night/morning in order to farm in IC without getting interrupted. It might be true that there wouldn't be much defence left in Cyrodiil but the fact that their faction has nothing will demotivate most pugs/make them move to other campaigns where their faction has more keeps. Especially if that happens for several days/weeks in a row. People don't have that much Home Campaign pride that they stay on a certain campaign no matter what. Most people will always go to the campaign where there faction wins thus creating "buff servers".

Do you need more explanation or did you understand what I mean?

I don't think you understand what "buff server" means.

I do think open access is dumb...it would be really nice to know that the fighting in Cyrodil was going towards a greater cause. It would completely add something to the game's meta that I believe is severely lacking.

However, I do still have faith in ZOS to fix any uselessness that Cyrodil becomes. I believe that if / when Cyrodil pvp dies down to the point that it's a ghost town...they will do something to get people back in there. They wouldn't want such a vast zone that they spent hundreds if not thousands of hours working on to go to waste. The only problem is that, there is no telling how long the turn around on this process would be (if it was required). Only time will tell.

if the IC turns out to be good I will come back and try it.