Open access to the Imperial City is dumb

TheBull

What happened to warring for the heart of Tamriel?

Fizzlewizzle

Disagree - Open access is great

I'm not much of a PvP guy, but when there is (Payed) dlc, especially when it is deemed necessary for leveling, it would be nice to access it without restrictions.

Having to go and PvP to see and explore (or craft inside, do dungeons or picking my nose in a corner while getting beaten to death by the whole daedric army) the Imperial city seems stupid to me.

Dyride

Agree - Open access is dumb

Yes. Totally agree.

You can sum it up by asking, what is the purpose going forward for the rest of Cyrodiil if IC is open access?

No longer needed for PVE buffs.

No worthy adversaries if Tel Var stones become the currency du jour, forcing people into the Imperial City.

Imperial City was supposed to be the heart of Cyrodiil, the prize worth fighting for. What made the rest of Cyrodiil feel alive.

Now it will be overrun by large groups from all factions at the same time, reducing the likelihood we leave our lagging past behind us.

Please ZOS, make it so you have to AT LEAST control 2 home keeps. Or 2 home keeps and one from the opposition.

Better yet, have another campaign where you have to control 4 of the 6 Emperor ring forts for access. This would make emperor pushes more interesting and also I feel keep the population limited within IC on a contested server because each faction can quickly push in either direction to get inside but will have to fight hard to maintain access.

Keep one campaign with open access just so we can see how crazy it gets.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

Thanks for reading.

hammayolettuce

Agree - Open access is dumb

Instead of making it no keeps and everyone gets access who pays for IC, or having no access if you lose both imperial keeps; It should be if both of your gates are open then you have no access to the IC. This way it makes scrolls that much more valuable and pushes away from wanting emps to wanting scrolls.

Also with scoring changes coming scrolls will be even more sought after.

DisgracefulMind

Agree - Open access is dumb

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Instead of making it no keeps and everyone gets access who pays for IC, or having no access if you lose both imperial keeps; It should be if both of your gates are open then you have no access to the IC. This way it makes scrolls that much more valuable and pushes away from wanting emps to wanting scrolls.

Also with scoring changes coming scrolls will be even more sought after.

This is exactly what I think. It also encourages PvP to thrive on in open world Cyrodiil and not just IC

manny254

Agree - Open access is dumb

RIP Cyrodiil if this goes through like this.

I think its funny that alot of non pvp players think it is good idea. Hate to break it to you, but this means there will be no hiding from the players that can destroy you.

ToRelax

Agree - Open access is dumb

Taking out a mechanic made to balance populations because of population imbalance, this is just absurd.
When a faction actually needs access to IC for gear etc., they will be able to, any faction would be able to achieve a lot more in Cyrodiil if most people actually cared about it.
And no one needs to buy a DLC if they don't wanna play it lol. Was clearly stated actually, if you don't want to play IC, fine, then you just wait a few months for Orsinium. For after how they "balance" the new gear sets you can bet no one's gonna need those anymore after the next DLC comes out.

OdinForge

Agree - Open access is dumb

I don't see a point in bothering with Cyrodiil keep activities anymore. They removed the former emp buffs, AP won't be as useful. A nice motivation to not flood the city 24/7, would have been to fight for your home keeps or to cut access to enemy factions.

Now it's just going to be everything about Azura Star NA, crammed into the city (all the lag, zerging and ganking at sewers). So PvE players can have their unlimited access without having to PvP, so the only PvP content period gets gutted.

ESO..

TheBull

Agree - Open access is dumb

manny254 wrote: »

RIP Cyrodiil if this goes through like this.

I think its funny that alot of non pvp players think it is good idea. Hate to break it to you, but this means there will be no hiding from the players that can destroy you.

This.

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OdinForge wrote: »

I don't see a point in bothering with Cyrodiil keep activities anymore. They removed the former emp buffs, AP won't be as useful. A nice motivation to not flood the city 24/7, would have been to fight for your home keeps or to cut access to enemy factions. .

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Pchela

Agree - Open access is dumb

And I quote a random nord last in davons watch: do you think there will ever be peace in cyrodiil?

Ofc because it will be bloody EMPTY.

Stikato

Agree - Open access is dumb

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Dru1076

I don't like pvp and I hate you!

Actually....i don't hate anybody

If IC was free...making people earn it would make sense. But asking people to pay for something they've then got earn in game is bit of a big ask.

Not that I am really worried, because this is the PVP players turn to get some love.

Scyantific

Agree - Open access is dumb

Free access is dumb and just catering to the whiny PvE crowd because they're the red-headed stepchild this time around.

Also open access essentially means that this is where all the gank squads are going to be at, so enjoy your "open access!"

And besides, given that they're not looking to reduce the number of campaigns (quite the opposite in fact), eventually it'll settle down where each faction has one IC campaign, with the occasional LOLROFLSTOMP journey into another faction's "Imp City Campaign."

Sanct16

Disagree - Open access is great

Limiting access to IC will just lead to new buff campaigns where PvErs can do PvE in IC without getting interrupted.

Dru1076

I don't like pvp and I hate you!

Scyantific wrote: »

Free access is dumb and just catering to the whiny PvE crowd because they're the red-headed stepchild this time around.

Also open access essentially means that this is where all the gank squads are going to be at, so enjoy your "open access!"

And besides, given that they're not looking to reduce the number of campaigns (quite the opposite in fact), eventually it'll settle down where each faction has one IC campaign, with the occasional LOLROFLSTOMP journey into another faction's "Imp City Campaign."

I guess its none of my business, since I am just a "PVE whiner", but its not going to be a gankfest because of open access. It's going to be a gankfest because as far as I can tell its intentionally designed to be a gankfest.

Btw...i don't really dislike PVP either... But there are certainly aspects I find unappealing. It would have been a shame if no one used that third option, though, after the OP went to the trouble of including it.

And I am pleased the PVP players get a big update aimed at them, because its been a long time coming.

Asuryan11

Disagree - Open access is great

With the population imbalance I am fine with open access.

Aquanova

Disagree - Open access is great

I have to applaud ZOS's decision to have open access, and it has nothing to do with "whiny pve", it has to do with being practicle! I work a 10hr shift, 6 days a week, with only a 3 to 4hr window a night to play. I want access to the new dropped sets and crafted ones when my time allows! Not when my faction gains access to it, which may or may not be while I'm on. I and many others don't have time to play for 1 or 2 hours just to try and capture a keep and maybe gain access to IC. This is just my personal reasons why open access is a good idea. I'm sure ZOS'S considered other factors as well like, would no open access encourage buff server's.Good job ZOS! glad to see these forums that have a lot of disinformation, bias and straight up manipulation in them don't always dictate your decisions.

Scyantific

Agree - Open access is dumb

Psst, you can buy the new gear once enough people start farming it.

Jules

Agree - Open access is dumb

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Instead of making it no keeps and everyone gets access who pays for IC, or having no access if you lose both imperial keeps; It should be if both of your gates are open then you have no access to the IC. This way it makes scrolls that much more valuable and pushes away from wanting emps to wanting scrolls.

Also with scoring changes coming scrolls will be even more sought after.

This.

Aquanova

Disagree - Open access is great

Scyantific wrote: »

Psst, you can buy the new gear once enough people start farming it.

Unless it's $Free.99, No thanks I'll go farm my own.

Joy_Division

Agree - Open access is dumb

As if Cyrodiil wasn't just about pointless before.

On the bright side, it does mean a steady stream of TV stones from those people who would rather skip PvP.

Iyas

Disagree - Open access is great

Sanct16 wrote: »

Limiting access to IC will just lead to new buff campaigns where PvErs can do PvE in IC without getting interrupted.

Agree

Derra

Disagree - Open access is great

Iyas wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Limiting access to IC will just lead to new buff campaigns where PvErs can do PvE in IC without getting interrupted.

Agree

Pretty much this. As much as i don´t like it - with esos campaign system it´s the only way to get it working. If the choice of campaign was permanent and you couldn´t campaign hop i´d agree with the other side of the argument.

aco5712

Agree - Open access is dumb

Cyrodiil becomes barren for about a month while people farm TV, levels or more. This could be there plan to get rid of zergs..... make them all split up in the IC.... if they do

Etaniel

Agree - Open access is dumb

With open access, everything the PvErs hate about PvP will be up 100% of the time. Everyone will flood the city, the big lag trains will come in there too, because that's where the AP farm will be, no one will be able to farm tel var stones, because there will be so many players around you trying to achieve the same. Gankers will have permanent access to the city, it will be useless to hunt them down to kill them, they'll be back in one minute.

Don't forget the fact that inside the city, you have instant respawn 20 meters away, it's going to be even worse than forward camps in regards to fighting the same people over and over. The districts are going to be unplayable because of this.

The whole point of having gated access is to cope with population imbalance. For everyone dealing with a enemy painted campaign, there will be less people gate camping you, because most of them will be in the city, so you'll have an easier time to reclaim your keeps.

People inside the city will be able to quest and farm stones, but they'll have a little tension because they'll never know if a ganker is around or not, whereas if it's open to all, you'll be fighting people at every corner anyways, no suspense.

Gated access means being able to kick people out of the city by hunting them down! Anyone who played in darkness falls in DAoC will agree that it was a really fun part.

Levo18

Disagree - Open access is great

Aquanova wrote: »

I have to applaud ZOS's decision to have open access, and it has nothing to do with "whiny pve", it has to do with being practicle! I work a 10hr shift, 6 days a week, with only a 3 to 4hr window a night to play. I want access to the new dropped sets and crafted ones when my time allows! Not when my faction gains access to it, which may or may not be while I'm on. I and many others don't have time to play for 1 or 2 hours just to try and capture a keep and maybe gain access to IC. This is just my personal reasons why open access is a good idea. I'm sure ZOS'S considered other factors as well like, would no open access encourage buff server's.Good job ZOS! glad to see these forums that have a lot of disinformation, bias and straight up manipulation in them don't always dictate your decisions.

Agree 100% i wont keep up the eso+ sub if i cant have Access to MY purchase when I want it and not require others to hold keeps so i can enjoy MY purchase

Etaniel

Agree - Open access is dumb

Levo18 wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

I have to applaud ZOS's decision to have open access, and it has nothing to do with "whiny pve", it has to do with being practicle! I work a 10hr shift, 6 days a week, with only a 3 to 4hr window a night to play. I want access to the new dropped sets and crafted ones when my time allows! Not when my faction gains access to it, which may or may not be while I'm on. I and many others don't have time to play for 1 or 2 hours just to try and capture a keep and maybe gain access to IC. This is just my personal reasons why open access is a good idea. I'm sure ZOS'S considered other factors as well like, would no open access encourage buff server's.Good job ZOS! glad to see these forums that have a lot of disinformation, bias and straight up manipulation in them don't always dictate your decisions.

Agree 100% i wont keep up the eso+ sub if i cant have Access to my purchase when I want it and not require others to hold keeps so i can enjoy MY purchase

@Levo18
Don't you realise that you wont be able to enjoy your purchase?

Levo18

Disagree - Open access is great

@Etaniel
Why Not? I dont mind to fight zergs its the Same in cyrodiil. Gankers? Im almost in stealth all the time too (NB). Lag? Never experienced one even if we take a keep and 30+ players are at the flag there is only a sound lag and minor fps issues (im on console) so as long as i have Access to IC 24/7 i will enjoy myself dont worry

Nifty2g

Disagree - Open access is great

It's perfectly fine, ZOS need to stress test it

Etaniel

Agree - Open access is dumb

Levo18 wrote: »

@Etaniel
Why Not? I dont mind to fight zergs its the Same in cyrodiil. Gankers? Im almost in stealth all the time too (NB). Lag? Never experienced one even if we take a keep and 30+ players are at the flag there is only a sound lag and minor fps issues (im on console) so as long as i have Access to IC 24/7 i will enjoy myself dont worry

Fair enough, you enjoy zerg fights. Lucky you for not having to deal with lag !

IxSTALKERxI

Agree - Open access is dumb

This is a war. If you want imperial city go buy some siege and help your faction take control of the map. The last thing we need is to lose every keep on the map and both scrolls because the whole faction is inside imperial city instead of contributing to the alliance war.