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Yes, women play games.
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usrevenge✭✭✭eh, most women who play games are still playing casual games. yes, gaming is much more popular with women now but still it's almost all the mobile.
a better infographic would be demographic of gamers, not just people who play games every once in a while.1 -
OneWhomWaits✭✭✭lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.7 -
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I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.Edited by Rosveen on August 28, 2015 9:43PM1 -
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I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.
Smells like a poll is cooking. Do it, do it, do it!0 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »http://www.dailydot.com/geek/adult-women-largest-gaming-demographic/
Sadly, the article doesn't really get into MMOs but as my guild is about a 50-50 men/women split I'd say it's pretty safe to bet a LOT of us "girls" play this game. You MIGHT want to start paying attention to that ZOS. Just sayin'.
Intriguing last couple statements. What do you want Zeni to do exactly?
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Forum polls are mostly meaningless anyway. We're just a sliver of the population.Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.
Smells like a poll is cooking. Do it, do it, do it!5 -
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✭ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?
"You gotta love a woman who can complain even with her jaw wired shut." - Doc Cottle (Battlestar Galactica)
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Forum polls are mostly meaningless anyway. We're just a sliver of the population.Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.
Smells like a poll is cooking. Do it, do it, do it!
Yeah they're not as accurate as some would like to assume, however someone has made one recently! lol.
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✭✭✭✭✭firstdecan wrote: »QueenCandy wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?
Typical Clueless male response. This is from a moderator no less. Sigh. I'm 48, been gaming for decades. I've encountered other females from the beginning online. I see silly male responses of shock and surprise over women gaming. We just roll our eyes. The misogynist attitudes is no big surprise either since I've seen every type of response since 1993.
I applaud the OP for creating this thread!!
Could you maybe not mischaracterize the dev's post? Like he's literally asking if there's something they're not doing right. I'm quite certain there isn't a soul on the dev team who thinks women don't play games, as that's half the target demographic for this series.
Agreed. Lambert was asking for some addressable specifics, and this entire thread is just a circular discussion about girl power in its various forms (I'm not judging, just stating).
The one addressable response was about the gender imbalance of the main characters in the main story, which potentially is an issue ZoS can address with their storylines in future DLCs. I think it will be hard for them though, because varying people will have strong opinions if they read issues of social justice into the story.
If there's two or more women, some people will imply lesbian subtext meant to cater to introverted young men.
If there's no women, some people will imply a glass ceiling exists in Tamriel's adventuring community.
If there's one woman, some people will imply she's just the token female thrown in for female gamers.
It's a no win situation.
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a no-win situation or that it will be hard for the devs to have an NPC base with wide representation. Honestly outside the main quest, it's an incredibly mixed cast of characters.Both candidates to become the new Mane are women
Lady Cinnabar is a Redguard woman and one of the most influential academics in the lore
Captain Kaleen is a Redguard woman and a fantastically complex character (one of my fave flawed heroes)
There's at least one quest per alliance featuring a same-sex couple
There's loads of side-characters that casually mention their same-sex wife or husband
They also address loads of social issues (social justice issues?) related to slavery, arranged marriages, gambling and drug issues, racism, cultural genocide, colonialism, and more. As someone who's done every quest and kept an eye out for this sort of thing, I have to say I'm quite impressed with the flagrant disregard for the previous industry standard of being noncontroversial. About the only thing they don't do is write about real-world oppressed groups, and that's actually much appreciated because I usually don't want to be reminded of the struggles I face iRL when playing a game. I especially don't want said stories told by people who haven't experienced it for themselves and lack the nuanced perspective needed to treat it appropriately. So at least for me, they've been doing a fantastic job so far.
Honestly if they just keep doing what they're doing I'll be a happy camper. Keep giving us lots of diverse NPC's, diversity in most of the key roles, and solid writing that isn't hackneyed and isn't pandering. Best example that really hit home for me was this one storyline in Reaper's March.Some Khajiit was looking for his future husband. They were supposed to be working towards earning enough money to open their own tavern, but one of them wanted to try to earn it all at once with a quick bit of gambling instead. The local crime-boss was actually running a secret slave trade, however, tricking people into betting away their savings and their freedom for the chance to "win big". It was a fantastic story and at no point was the main characters' orientation the focus of the plot. They were just regular people caught in the consequences of their foibles, and that was a remarkably refreshing thing to see.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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RizaHawkeye✭✭✭✭Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
Forum polls are mostly meaningless anyway. We're just a sliver of the population.Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.
Smells like a poll is cooking. Do it, do it, do it!
Yeah they're not as accurate as some would like to assume, however someone has made one recently! lol.
And @Rosveen is right: that poll's as pointless as this thread.
I'm female. So what? Why does gender matter? I play games, my friends play games.
Girls play games. Nothing to see here.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
The heroes during times of war, are nothing but mass murderers during times of peace.
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Learn to play, or resign to become one of pieces that is meant to be sacrificed.
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Me too, if we decide to go away from what Elder Scrolls armors look like, I want a Borat swimsuit armor for my Nord.I wouldn't object to more revealing armor choices for male characters. It's only fair.
PS : there is still no point to this thread, right ?Edited by melianos on August 28, 2015 10:15PM0 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?
Are you referring to the OP or to one of the comments? If you are referring to my OP, I posted it because too often it is CLEAR that MMOs (including this one) are still being geared to a young male audience. Look at the Five Companions. Only ONE woman among them and she's a busty blonde. Oh and of course Tharn is always pointing out how dumb she is. Granted, he's disdainful of the rest of them as well but he saves most of his "you're clearly an idiot" schtick for Lyris. In the animated trailers for this game, which look pretty awesome, there is ONE female character. And, ironically, she shows plenty of cleavage and upper thigh..while you make most of the actual armor available in the game stuff a nun would wear and have actually REMOVED some of the PRETTIER light armor.
The issue of character customization, which is huge with all players but I might argue is ESPECIALLY dear to female players as a general (though not ironclad) rule continues to be largely ignored. Ditto player housing. Female players often want a more immersive world, which means there needs to be more to it than JUST killing things (as much fun as that is!) but this, like every other MMO on the market, is almost the sole focus.
You made us an astonishingly gorgeous world...but you don't let us "live" in it yet. There is so little we can interact with aside from mobs. So what I'm saying is that your devs need to start giving some serious thought to what female gamers might like to have instead of just trying to knock off what has traditionally already "sold" and just doing it with better graphics. We womenfolk are demanding. We want more. And we're happy to pay for it when you make us happy.
THAT was my point.
EDIT: And after scanning through some of the comments now...no, there was no question involved. The article was meant as a "heads up" for ZOS. And as a subject for discussion.
Hmmk, where to begin.
First I agree the "busty blonde" stereotype is so yawn/lame. I do think that appeals to a certain segment of the male population of whatever age. Whatever the case her looks didn't bother me much as I just thought of her as a "Viking chick."
As I just click through the dialog because I have no interest in quests, I didn't notice Tharn pointing out how dumb she is. If that was the case it is unfortunate.
Re. the trailer, if you mean that elf girl, I think the artist(s) aren't very good at depicting females. She seems to be drawn by a male who wants his female to look a little male. The 1.5 forum graphic was probably the worst-- she looked entirely like a transvestite.
Cleavage and upper thigh-- yes, that appeals to men of most ages. It's not new. You see it everywhere else in ads, TV, movies, mags. And women snap it up just as much-- wanting to look that way despite the fact it hurts them and young girls. Do I think it's not good-- yes. But it sells so that's why it's marketed that way. And women snap it up...
I would like prettier armor, but pretty in an elegantly modest way, without expanses of midriff showing or bewbs or butt busting out of every crevice.
Character customization: I would like way more hairstyles, eyebrows, and even hair colors and eye colors to choose from. I guess I'm more drawn to faces as I don't see much to improve on the bodies.
Player housing-- I just don't get it. What does it mean? Maybe I want it-- I don't know.
I don't feel a great need to "live" in the game. It's nice to know it's there to play, but do I find the community all that wonderful all the time? Not really. Granted, I'm in it for PvP, so that community is probably the worst to "immerse" oneself in..
Lastly, the issue I've found worst about this game is the mentality, attitude, and language of some (too many) male players who think nothing of uttering or typing things that degrade women. It's like, maybe they would say/do that kind of thing with their ghetto friends or in some dank place they paid some wretched creature to endure it; but don't say/do that vile crap in a game where people of all ages and genders are playing.
If it's not something your mom, grandma, or sister would want to hear-- it's not appropriate. Learn it. It'll serve you well in real life too, where you can get pounded into the turf both literally and figuratively.
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Edited by k2blader on August 28, 2015 10:17PMDisabling the grass may improve performance.2 -
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Lastly, the issue I've found worst about this game is the mentality, attitude, and language of some (too many) male players who think nothing of uttering or typing things that degrade women. It's like, maybe they would say/do that kind of thing with their ghetto friends or in some dank place they paid some wretched creature to endure it; but don't say/do that vile crap in a game where people of all ages and genders are playing.
If it's not something your mom, grandma, or sister would want to hear-- it's not appropriate. Learn it. It'll serve you well in real life too, where you can get pounded into the turf both literally and figuratively.
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THIS. Exactly. Been online since the early 90's and one thing that has only gotten worse is the language of a lot of male players. It's not just kids or teen males either. I have heard things like, "Go back to the kitchen and make me a sandwich", A (male appendage) would go great in your mouth" etc. Nevermind that children or playing, nevermind that someone's sister, daughter, granddaughter, grandmother etc is playing! It's as if they lose ALL humanity, all sense of decency and spew the most vile language.
The worst thing is, they seem confused when someone calls them out on it. They actually don't seem to KNOW talking about your private parts is not something we want to ever hear about. If you hate females fine, but why talk about it in global chat around other people? Why talk like you are in a fraternity? it's as if some men forget the OTHER gender ALSO are reading the chat too! It's like they completely lack any type of sense and were raised by apes. It never fails to amaze me.
Sadly, the men that ARE gentlemen and apologize for the ones who aren't, have been very few in all the decades I've been on the internet. There is an excellent article written called, "The Rise and Fall of the Internet A-hole". It is solely about males who have become more and more bold about degrading women online and being perfectly fine with it.
Sorry to go off topic a bit. Thanks for that reply.
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QueenCandy✭✭✭RizaHawkeye wrote: »Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
Forum polls are mostly meaningless anyway. We're just a sliver of the population.Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.
Smells like a poll is cooking. Do it, do it, do it!
Yeah they're not as accurate as some would like to assume, however someone has made one recently! lol.
And @Rosveen is right: that poll's as pointless as this thread.
I'm female. So what? Why does gender matter? I play games, my friends play games.
Girls play games. Nothing to see here.
Agree 100% When I talk to other female gamers, our gender doesn't matter whatsoever. It's just not a big deal. When it comes to guys, they almost always make remarks. Either it's "women don't play games" or "OMG, a woman gamer???"
I'm like....wow, you are like decades behind the times. Please come into the 21st century. We have ALREADY been here.1 -
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It's a joke. 99% of people don't mean these comments seriously, almost all of us are friends or guildmates with women. You're the first person I met who completely missed it. I can understand if you feel these remarks are unnecessary and annoying, but please don't think anyone is actually surprised to see a woman on the internet, least of all the developers. We have well-known female community members, guide writers and wiki contributors, experienced PvPers, streamers, ZOS developers responsible for major game systems. It's very, very rare to find someone genuinely surprised that women play MMOs.QueenCandy wrote: »RizaHawkeye wrote: »Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
Forum polls are mostly meaningless anyway. We're just a sliver of the population.Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.
Smells like a poll is cooking. Do it, do it, do it!
Yeah they're not as accurate as some would like to assume, however someone has made one recently! lol.
And @Rosveen is right: that poll's as pointless as this thread.
I'm female. So what? Why does gender matter? I play games, my friends play games.
Girls play games. Nothing to see here.
Agree 100% When I talk to other female gamers, our gender doesn't matter whatsoever. It's just not a big deal. When it comes to guys, they almost always make remarks. Either it's "women don't play games" or "OMG, a woman gamer???"
I'm like....wow, you are like decades behind the times. Please come into the 21st century. We have ALREADY been here.Edited by Rosveen on August 29, 2015 12:01AM5 -
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It's a joke. 99% of people don't mean these comments seriously, almost all of us are friends or guildmates with women. You're the first person I met who completely missed it. I can understand if you feel these remarks are unnecessary and annoying, but please don't think anyone is actually surprised to see a woman on the internet, least of all the developers. We have well-known female community members, guide writers and wiki contributors, experienced PvPers, streamers, ZOS developers responsible for major game systems. Everyone knows women play ESO.QueenCandy wrote: »RizaHawkeye wrote: »Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
Forum polls are mostly meaningless anyway. We're just a sliver of the population.Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.
Smells like a poll is cooking. Do it, do it, do it!
Yeah they're not as accurate as some would like to assume, however someone has made one recently! lol.
And @Rosveen is right: that poll's as pointless as this thread.
I'm female. So what? Why does gender matter? I play games, my friends play games.
Girls play games. Nothing to see here.
Agree 100% When I talk to other female gamers, our gender doesn't matter whatsoever. It's just not a big deal. When it comes to guys, they almost always make remarks. Either it's "women don't play games" or "OMG, a woman gamer???"
I'm like....wow, you are like decades behind the times. Please come into the 21st century. We have ALREADY been here.
I honestly get more surprised remarks when people find out that I am a girl.. because I play a male character.Edited by Pchela on August 28, 2015 11:56PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭QueenCandy wrote: »Which in itself is another male that has not one single clue. I don't know how else to get that across....
I'm female.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis2 -
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✭QueenCandy wrote: »RizaHawkeye wrote: »Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
Forum polls are mostly meaningless anyway. We're just a sliver of the population.Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.
Smells like a poll is cooking. Do it, do it, do it!
Yeah they're not as accurate as some would like to assume, however someone has made one recently! lol.
And @Rosveen is right: that poll's as pointless as this thread.
I'm female. So what? Why does gender matter? I play games, my friends play games.
Girls play games. Nothing to see here.
Agree 100% When I talk to other female gamers, our gender doesn't matter whatsoever. It's just not a big deal. When it comes to guys, they almost always make remarks. Either it's "women don't play games" or "OMG, a woman gamer???"
I'm like....wow, you are like decades behind the times. Please come into the 21st century. We have ALREADY been here.
Stop trying to generalize and prejudge me.
Seriously, stop it.
I run a guild myself, I am male, and guess what...On a given night I've usually got more female players online than males. Have I ever stopped and commented on this...yeah, I think it's fantastic. Does make me sexist because I've commented on it?
You're doing exactly what you're complaining about. I don't prejudge women who play games. Why not? Because it really doesn't matter that much to me either way. They're my friends, we kill stuff and have fun together. I chat with them on TS and I don't continually point them to the cooking fire, never have.
If you are running into people like that, maybe you should reevaluate what portion of the population you're hanging out with.
If you want to highlight a game that isn't paying attention or marginalizing female gamers, go look at Lineage or something. Last time I saw that game 99% of female armors included a visible thong and other stupidly skimpy parts. You won't find that here. With the exception of a very few armor types there is barely any skin visible at all and most of the folks I've heard complain about that are women. At the end of the day not all men are troglodyte meat-heads who are looking for every excuse to *** and eye-*** pixelated characters in games. (Do they exist...surely. Go look at most of the mods for Skyrim or any other Bethesda game.) My point is that you don't find it here, and most of the folks I hang out with are very respectful and happy to have our female gamer friends around.
So seriously, go somewhere else with your sweeping generalizations.
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Grunim✭✭✭✭✭MaximumAttackG wrote: »The thing I find funny is most people arent surprised females play games, its that females think they are unique in doing so and and believe people are shocked to see them in mmos, the reality is noone cares except the virgins who flock to girl gamers in elden root as if they are celebrities giving out autographs, its pathetic really.
I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. But I'm a woman who feels by now people should not be surprised that women play games and I am a woman who doesn't think I am unique in doing so by any means. That is sort of the point most of the women have made in this thread.
Perhaps that's what you meant to say, but your wording made it sound like you were saying something entirely different.
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RizaHawkeye✭✭✭✭QueenCandy wrote: »RizaHawkeye wrote: »Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
Forum polls are mostly meaningless anyway. We're just a sliver of the population.Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.
Smells like a poll is cooking. Do it, do it, do it!
Yeah they're not as accurate as some would like to assume, however someone has made one recently! lol.
And @Rosveen is right: that poll's as pointless as this thread.
I'm female. So what? Why does gender matter? I play games, my friends play games.
Girls play games. Nothing to see here.
Agree 100% When I talk to other female gamers, our gender doesn't matter whatsoever. It's just not a big deal. When it comes to guys, they almost always make remarks. Either it's "women don't play games" or "OMG, a woman gamer???"
I'm like....wow, you are like decades behind the times. Please come into the 21st century. We have ALREADY been here.
If you are running into people like that, maybe you should reevaluate what portion of the population you're hanging out with.
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Get this. Really.
I've met a number of cool guys this game and others. If gender becomes an issue, it's usually in the form of a joke. If they tease me, I tease them right back. If they get give me grief, they get grief. I've met women that are cool, too. Several of them are my friends. And I've met women who I've blocked or otherwise avoided.
It's not about gender, it's about people and personalities. If you don't like the person, then don't run with them. Hang with someone else.
And if you meet one of those guys who says, "Girls don't play games," just tell them: "Yeah, we make them."
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It's a joke. 99% of people don't mean these comments seriously, almost all of us are friends or guildmates with women. You're the first person I met who completely missed it. I can understand if you feel these remarks are unnecessary and annoying, but please don't think anyone is actually surprised to see a woman on the internet, least of all the developers. We have well-known female community members, guide writers and wiki contributors, experienced PvPers, streamers, ZOS developers responsible for major game systems. Everyone knows women play ESO.QueenCandy wrote: »RizaHawkeye wrote: »Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
Forum polls are mostly meaningless anyway. We're just a sliver of the population.Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.
Smells like a poll is cooking. Do it, do it, do it!
Yeah they're not as accurate as some would like to assume, however someone has made one recently! lol.
And @Rosveen is right: that poll's as pointless as this thread.
I'm female. So what? Why does gender matter? I play games, my friends play games.
Girls play games. Nothing to see here.
Agree 100% When I talk to other female gamers, our gender doesn't matter whatsoever. It's just not a big deal. When it comes to guys, they almost always make remarks. Either it's "women don't play games" or "OMG, a woman gamer???"
I'm like....wow, you are like decades behind the times. Please come into the 21st century. We have ALREADY been here.
I honestly get more surprised remarks when people find out that I am a girl.. because I play a male character.
That happens to me as well when I'm playing a male character and usually the guy who is surprised by that is playing a female character. I have had some fun asking various guys over the years why it's OK for them to play women but why are they surprised that a lady is playing a male character. It's led to some really interesting conversations and I've heard my share of sputtering responses to that.
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QueenCandy✭✭✭eh, most women who play games are still playing casual games. yes, gaming is much more popular with women now but still it's almost all the mobile.
a better infographic would be demographic of gamers, not just people who play games every once in a while.
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QueenCandy✭✭✭OneWhomWaits wrote: »The generalizations are so weird.
More cat mounts and pets? yuck. I'll take a pass on that. If I want armor that exposes some skin I can craft it. We do have options there.
I can't for a second believe the gamer split is anywhere near 50/50. Girls are usually Guys In Real Life - the ones I run into anyways. There are women, but I feel like we are closer to 10-20% of our world.
Most folks have no idea I am a girl. I do not use my mic. I tried that a few times and the response was vulgar, childish, and just unwanted.
I just want to play the game and have fun. Not watch you do pushups to dry hump another naked player on the ground.
I used to play on consoles and tried using the mic on the controller. When it became apparent I was a woman, the things that the men folks said was inappropriate and repulsive.
I know for a fact that women play but a lot are playing as male characters to avoid harrassment.
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It's a joke. 99% of people don't mean these comments seriously, almost all of us are friends or guildmates with women. You're the first person I met who completely missed it. I can understand if you feel these remarks are unnecessary and annoying, but please don't think anyone is actually surprised to see a woman on the internet, least of all the developers. We have well-known female community members, guide writers and wiki contributors, experienced PvPers, streamers, ZOS developers responsible for major game systems. It's very, very rare to find someone genuinely surprised that women play MMOs.QueenCandy wrote: »RizaHawkeye wrote: »Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
Forum polls are mostly meaningless anyway. We're just a sliver of the population.Riko_Futatabi wrote: »
I wouldn't go that far. "Most women" exist, though in this case it would probably be more useful to research "most female gamers" or better yet, "most female ESO players". It's just statistics. But as with all statistics, we need to be careful how these numbers were calculated and what purpose they can serve. Simply knowing that x% of ESO players are women doesn't tell us much about their expectations and playing habits.OneWhomWaits wrote: »lol. No end of folks who post generalizations.
I play 0 mobile games. I'd rather be gaming on a 60" screen than a 4.5" one.
Your assumptions just lack any basis and sound like made up "facts".
There is no "most women". No more than replacing those words with "most men".
There is just gamers and we sure do love to game. Reminds me of an incident I had at my local GameStop. Guy behind the counter ignored that I was the person who needed his help. He couldn't see that the female in front of him was actually his gaming customer.
Smells like a poll is cooking. Do it, do it, do it!
Yeah they're not as accurate as some would like to assume, however someone has made one recently! lol.
And @Rosveen is right: that poll's as pointless as this thread.
I'm female. So what? Why does gender matter? I play games, my friends play games.
Girls play games. Nothing to see here.
Agree 100% When I talk to other female gamers, our gender doesn't matter whatsoever. It's just not a big deal. When it comes to guys, they almost always make remarks. Either it's "women don't play games" or "OMG, a woman gamer???"
I'm like....wow, you are like decades behind the times. Please come into the 21st century. We have ALREADY been here.
I've been online since 1993, I Have INDEED come across males who are surprised to see females gaming. It is NOT a joke with some of them. You are not me, you haven't come across these people.
I have come across the people joking of course. Of course! Sadly, yes there are still some males who for inexplicable reason have the dreaded internet disease. You know, EOIMD..."Everyone Online is Male Disease"1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭QueenCandy wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?
What a Legend. How have you not been fired.
Agreed. What type of Moderator would react like that?
React by asking what specifically is causing an issue when someone says they need to pay attention to the fact that women play games? In what world is asking for clarification a bad thing? What would be the proper response in such a situation?Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭QueenCandy wrote: »WalkingNorth wrote: »QueenCandy wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?
Typical Clueless male response. This is from a moderator no less. Sigh. I'm 48, been gaming for decades. I've encountered other females from the beginning online. I see silly male responses of shock and surprise over women gaming
After trying to decide whether you are serious or trolling....
I'm not Rich Lambert, nor do I play him on TV, but I assume that as the Creative Director of ESO, he is asking OP for clarification regarding the statement "You MIGHT want to pay attention to that, ZOS".
Asking the OP for specifics is hardly clueless - nor are the following posts asking the same thing. And how is calling your fellow posters "typical clueless males" worse than misogyny?
I don't care who he is, his response could have been better.
Exactly how could it have been posed in a nice, prim and proper way? He prefaced it that he wasn't trying to be inflammatory. Reactions such as yours are why we have so much silence.
Whole thread was nonsense.If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!6 -
QueenCandy✭✭✭Psychobunni wrote: »QueenCandy wrote: »WalkingNorth wrote: »QueenCandy wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »Not trying to be inflammatory, but is there something specific this comment is supposed to address?
Typical Clueless male response. This is from a moderator no less. Sigh. I'm 48, been gaming for decades. I've encountered other females from the beginning online. I see silly male responses of shock and surprise over women gaming
After trying to decide whether you are serious or trolling....
I'm not Rich Lambert, nor do I play him on TV, but I assume that as the Creative Director of ESO, he is asking OP for clarification regarding the statement "You MIGHT want to pay attention to that, ZOS".
Asking the OP for specifics is hardly clueless - nor are the following posts asking the same thing. And how is calling your fellow posters "typical clueless males" worse than misogyny?
I don't care who he is, his response could have been better.
Exactly how could it have been posed in a nice, prim and proper way? He prefaced it that he wasn't trying to be inflammatory. Reactions such as yours are why we have so much silence.
Whole thread was nonsense.
I don't agree
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