"Collectible trophies can no longer be banked or traded to your other characters"

Fissh · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

One of the devs came in another thread and said that they were looking at loot tables to make sure that you could get the trophies from something at any level. So you guys can get your panties out of a bunch.

Yes, they did an audit. BUT, let's do the nix hound for example, DSA has TWO level appropriate. ...Two....farm the is just stupid. No panty wads here, reality. If you don't know, then you don't know.

Zershar_Vemod · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

Are you freaking kidding me!?

Well can we have a damn bank tab then for all this crap then? I'm forced to use one of my alts to store all of these things. Are all my trophies for my main stuck on that alt now....?

Why does this even bother ZOS?

Fissh · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Do you really want to grind DRAGONSTAR ARENA for kagouti and nix hounds when others can farm Stonefalls? In what universe is this fair?

After the age of 6, my reasoning skills progressed past "it's fair" being the conclusion of my consideration. This is my first MMORPG and one thing I had to learn right away was that there are changes ... inherent to the genre ... so protesting any particular change is pointless. Maybe it will change later (back, or to something new). Maybe it won't.

I'm lucky enough NOT to be OCD enough to "have" to do everything, so I get to choose.

I hate grinding, so if that's the only way to "get" something, I will shudder and then move on to the things that are fun for me.

My literal answer to any question of where would I grind is - no - I don't grind/wouldn't grind.

On a slightly more deep level - Would I fight critters of my level in general than ones where I was over-leveled? - yes, fighting challenging opponents is more fun for me than a walk.

So you are just here to pass judgment, not opinions.....gotcha....moving on.

Milktray · August 2015

I don't care

I just sell or delete mine, until they give me a house to put them in they are just taking up space

Donum-Dei · August 2015

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

I really dont care if I can bank or trade them- All I want is just for them to be fixed so we can either-
1) 'Use' them or
2) Be credited it for them in some other way so I can remove them from inventory.
This I would just be happy with..

^ (Exactly)

Note: At this point and any point they are still useless.

WandaMey · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

DanniBoi wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

I really dont care if I can bank or trade them- All I want is just for them to be fixed so we can either-
1) 'Use' them or
2) Be credited it for them in some other way so I can remove them from inventory.
This I would just be happy with..

^ (Exactly)

Note: At this point and any point they are still useless.

the topic is only about monster drop trophies, not dungeon trophies, also it would be fun that they'd troll these ones too.
(--look for popcorn--)

Phinix1 · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

WandaMey wrote: »

DanniBoi wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

I really dont care if I can bank or trade them- All I want is just for them to be fixed so we can either-
1) 'Use' them or
2) Be credited it for them in some other way so I can remove them from inventory.
This I would just be happy with..

^ (Exactly)

Note: At this point and any point they are still useless.

the topic is only about monster drop trophies, not dungeon trophies, also it would be fun that they'd troll these ones too.
(--look for popcorn--)

Guess all your work on DoIKeepItForAlts and mine on TrophyHunters was for naught, eh?

But hey, the journey. Or something.

UrQuan · August 2015

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

One of the devs came in another thread and said that they were looking at loot tables to make sure that you could get the trophies from something at any level. So you guys can get your panties out of a bunch.

They said that they had done an audit to make sure that at any level you can get any monster trophy. That means that they think you already can. Most likely they just checked the game code to see if monsters of the appropriate level exist somewhere in the code. For all we know that might mean that in order to get the collectable for monster X you have to do one particular vet dungeon over and over because the only place you'll be able to get it is from a couple of adds in one particular boss fight. Or maybe there's a single instance somewhere that you can only get to when you're on one particular stage of a quest, and that's where you have to try to grind for the trophy you're looking for.

I asked for them to publish a list of locations showing where a character of any level in any alliance can go for each of the trophies so that we can see if their audit was actually reasonable. So far silence.

For the record, I've only been trying for any of the collectable achievements on my main, and I haven't farmed for any of them (although I will eventually). Any that have dropped for an alt have been transferred to my main for him to use, and if I already have that one on my main it just gets vendored. If there are places where my main can reasonably farm for each of the remaining ones, then that's OK for me. If there's only one place to go for a given collectable, and there are only a couple of mobs there, or they respawn really slowly, or it's in a group dungeon or something, then that's not OK in the slightest.

WandaMey · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

Phinix1 wrote: »

WandaMey wrote: »

the topic is only about monster drop trophies, not dungeon trophies, also it would be fun that they'd troll these ones too.
(--look for popcorn--)

Guess all your work on DoIKeepItForAlts and mine on TrophyHunters was for naught, eh?

But hey, the journey. Or something.

You might have guessed that you're only half as pissed as I am.
And, i'm not that angry at the hundred+ hour "lost", but at the frontier that is crossed here.
Even f2p lighten this kind of grind when they add content, i've never seen that this way around. And on a b2p where I thought I would have fun and not have to see things like a chore or something.

The extra smile when I loot these thing? will be gone (especially if the same char get the same one twice), the extra frustration when I spend 700 worms + for one only 1 blue fish : already there, knowing the changes to come.

The result of this : is me gladly following my extra smiles to other skies. I suppose the auction house wont miss my perfect roes, but mine + the ones of all casual players who feel like I do, maybe that'll push plvlers to buy the xp pots with crowns? Is that the point? that or crown trophies like they did with motifs?

And if they changed this just for the "logic" behind the system, why don't they tell us if the drop rates have been adjusted consequently?
If achievements must be given to the char who "deserves" it, why not making recipes and books fragments character bound too?
At the same time if they could just make having alts completely useless and lose a potential great source of income from the very supported "let me buy extra char with crown" request , why would they stop from shooting themsleves in the foot?

Kavatchian · August 2015

Can I just request that the Trophy items don't take up space in your inventory? I think the fact that you can use that space to carry something more important is the main reason folks delete them or store them in their banks. I store all my trophies so not really looking forward to something wasting my inventory space.

WandaMey · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

Kavatchian wrote: »

Can I just request that the Trophy items don't take up space in your inventory? I think the fact that you can use that space to carry something more important is the main reason folks delete them or store them in their banks. I store all my trophies so not really looking forward to something wasting my inventory space.

dude, you're supposed to eat them. we're talking about monster trophies here.

edit, sorry, you might have never seen one in monthes, knowing the drop rates.

newtinmpls · August 2015

Milktray wrote: »

I just sell or delete mine, until they give me a house to put them in they are just taking up space

I would totally love a hours.

I miss the Morrowind modded houses where I had multiple "display dummies" to put different suits of armor on

KiraTsukasa · August 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

One of the devs came in another thread and said that they were looking at loot tables to make sure that you could get the trophies from something at any level. So you guys can get your panties out of a bunch.

They said that they had done an audit to make sure that at any level you can get any monster trophy. That means that they think you already can. Most likely they just checked the game code to see if monsters of the appropriate level exist somewhere in the code. For all we know that might mean that in order to get the collectable for monster X you have to do one particular vet dungeon over and over because the only place you'll be able to get it is from a couple of adds in one particular boss fight. Or maybe there's a single instance somewhere that you can only get to when you're on one particular stage of a quest, and that's where you have to try to grind for the trophy you're looking for.

I asked for them to publish a list of locations showing where a character of any level in any alliance can go for each of the trophies so that we can see if their audit was actually reasonable. So far silence.

For the record, I've only been trying for any of the collectable achievements on my main, and I haven't farmed for any of them (although I will eventually). Any that have dropped for an alt have been transferred to my main for him to use, and if I already have that one on my main it just gets vendored. If there are places where my main can reasonably farm for each of the remaining ones, then that's OK for me. If there's only one place to go for a given collectable, and there are only a couple of mobs there, or they respawn really slowly, or it's in a group dungeon or something, then that's not OK in the slightest.

As long as it's available, then you can get it. If you have to go through things over and over again in order to get it, is that not the definition of farming it? If it's too much work for you, then don't do it. I doubt someone is holding a gun to your head telling you to farm for achievements. It's a game. It's not a life or death struggle.

UrQuan · August 2015

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

One of the devs came in another thread and said that they were looking at loot tables to make sure that you could get the trophies from something at any level. So you guys can get your panties out of a bunch.

They said that they had done an audit to make sure that at any level you can get any monster trophy. That means that they think you already can. Most likely they just checked the game code to see if monsters of the appropriate level exist somewhere in the code. For all we know that might mean that in order to get the collectable for monster X you have to do one particular vet dungeon over and over because the only place you'll be able to get it is from a couple of adds in one particular boss fight. Or maybe there's a single instance somewhere that you can only get to when you're on one particular stage of a quest, and that's where you have to try to grind for the trophy you're looking for.

I asked for them to publish a list of locations showing where a character of any level in any alliance can go for each of the trophies so that we can see if their audit was actually reasonable. So far silence.

For the record, I've only been trying for any of the collectable achievements on my main, and I haven't farmed for any of them (although I will eventually). Any that have dropped for an alt have been transferred to my main for him to use, and if I already have that one on my main it just gets vendored. If there are places where my main can reasonably farm for each of the remaining ones, then that's OK for me. If there's only one place to go for a given collectable, and there are only a couple of mobs there, or they respawn really slowly, or it's in a group dungeon or something, then that's not OK in the slightest.

As long as it's available, then you can get it. If you have to go through things over and over again in order to get it, is that not the definition of farming it? If it's too much work for you, then don't do it. I doubt someone is holding a gun to your head telling you to farm for achievements. It's a game. It's not a life or death struggle.

So if there's exactly one place you can go, and it's the last fight of a group dungeon, and it only involves maybe 2 of that creature you'd consider that acceptable? You really do have a problem with ever acknowledging that anything that doesn't matter to you might actually matter to other people, don't you?

Phinix1 · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

WandaMey wrote: »

You might have guessed that you're only half as pissed as I am.

I feel you.

This game is quickly turning into World of Elder Korean Grind Cash Shop Craft. Limited.

I get the feeling there are like one or two guys at ZOS that everyone is afraid to question that reliably come up with TERRIBLE ideas and forcibly insert them into everything, because their ego is the center of the universe.

I hope that is the case anyway. That way maybe the rest of the company will grow a pair and stand up to them and reclaim this great game before it is too late, before the only people that remain are the handful of PVP sociopaths that botted their way to glory, before they make gear lootable in PVP as well, and provide an ESO-sponsored grind bot on the cash shop!

WandaMey · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

Phinix1 wrote: »

This game is quickly turning into World of Elder Korean Grind Cash Shop Craft. Limited.

At least f2p have the decency to be clear about what they sell.

Use time or money : time for people who like to achieve things by themselves or are poor like no job, or money for those who enjoy instant fun or lack time because job(s)
And i'm perfectly fine with this.

But when it comes to give time AND money, i'm out.
This update, it's combining the worst of two worlds.

Idk why i'm still checking these topics anyway, they gave their infos. Hoping that they'll update us on a change of mind just sticks this in my head :
"Don't you know I still believe
That you will be here
And give me a sign
Hit me baby one more time"

Tolmos · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

What would even be the point of this? There is no point, really. What an odd change this would be. It neither hurts my character, nor helps my character, nor improves upon the gameplay of myself or anyone around me. It would serve a single purpose: to annoy me. That's it; it's sole function as a feature, and only source of value at all, would be to antagonize the person behind the keyboard.

What a strange proposition.

NovaMarx · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

Phinix1 wrote: »

I swear, the past six months have been like watching the devs sit around a table with troll masks on snickering about who can come up with the worst, most customer-infuriating idea to one-up the last one.

I am convinced they WANT to p^%& us off at this point.

QFT. It really feels like it's change for the sake of change.

There are soooo many things that need work in the game. Why make a petty change like this, which may ultimately effect so many players (and not in a good way)?

Fissh · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

One of the devs came in another thread and said that they were looking at loot tables to make sure that you could get the trophies from something at any level. So you guys can get your panties out of a bunch.

They said that they had done an audit to make sure that at any level you can get any monster trophy. That means that they think you already can. Most likely they just checked the game code to see if monsters of the appropriate level exist somewhere in the code. For all we know that might mean that in order to get the collectable for monster X you have to do one particular vet dungeon over and over because the only place you'll be able to get it is from a couple of adds in one particular boss fight. Or maybe there's a single instance somewhere that you can only get to when you're on one particular stage of a quest, and that's where you have to try to grind for the trophy you're looking for.

I asked for them to publish a list of locations showing where a character of any level in any alliance can go for each of the trophies so that we can see if their audit was actually reasonable. So far silence.

For the record, I've only been trying for any of the collectable achievements on my main, and I haven't farmed for any of them (although I will eventually). Any that have dropped for an alt have been transferred to my main for him to use, and if I already have that one on my main it just gets vendored. If there are places where my main can reasonably farm for each of the remaining ones, then that's OK for me. If there's only one place to go for a given collectable, and there are only a couple of mobs there, or they respawn really slowly, or it's in a group dungeon or something, then that's not OK in the slightest.

As long as it's available, then you can get it. If you have to go through things over and over again in order to get it, is that not the definition of farming it? If it's too much work for you, then don't do it. I doubt someone is holding a gun to your head telling you to farm for achievements. It's a game. It's not a life or death struggle.

Sure we can choose not to do it. But why make something unobtainable without the use of mindless farming. The current method allows you to work toward this by "playing as you want". The marriage of being able to play the character you want AND work towards these dyes and achievements ALREADY makes sense. Making it NOT MAKE sense, why do this? The logic is simple.

Fissh · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

Would love to see more people voting on this. ESO Grind 2015 is real. Lets stop at least a little bit of it.
Did you know fact: the trophy vaults drop the new VR16 gear with a potential TRAINING TRAIT?
ZOS, please pick up on the fact that grinding to the extreme is for gold farmers, not players.

Aneima · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

I would love to know the reason behind this change. Gear can be used between alts. The bank can be used by all our alts. But no...not trophies. With all the bugs and quirks in this game....this is what they are working on? Whoever came up with this idea lacks vision and shouldn't be making video games.

Fruitmass · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We’d like to provide a little insight and clarification on the upcoming changes to collectibles.

Currently, collectible trophies work differently for those obtained via fishing versus those obtained via monster kills. Fishing trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon item pick-up, whereas monster-kill trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon use. This difference was resulting in a high volume of bug reports and feedback in which players thought the collectible trophies were broken. That combined with the availability being limited by level-range prompted us to make the system more intuitive and uniform. That’s where the upcoming changes come in.

So what do those changes consist of? Here’s a short list:
All collectible trophies will now grant the associated achievement when the item is first looted.

Monster trophies will always drop off appropriate level monsters for your character. A game-wide audit was done to make sure that no matter what level you are, there is always a place you can go to work on collecting the trophy you are looking for.

Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character.

We hope that helps clarify the changes. Please let us know if you have any questions!

@Aneima. This was the official response given regarding changes to collectables.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/204673/collectables-and-the-upcomming-changes/p2

Psychobunni · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

Immersion Cultists once again making the game difficult for everyone normal is my guess to the "why", complaints that each little pixel TOON is supposed to do every single thing on their own.

Because being normal, and just not sharing it across their account, and earning it themselves for each pixel is too compromising....MUST FORCE IMMERSION ON EVERYONE!

Just like a cult, do it my way or youre wrong!

SirAndy · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

Fissh wrote: »

Collectible trophies can no longer be banked or traded to your other characters

Fissh · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

SirAndy wrote: »

Fissh wrote: »

Collectible trophies can no longer be banked or traded to your other characters

Summary

Phinix1 · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We’d like to provide a little insight and clarification on the upcoming changes to collectibles.

Currently, collectible trophies work differently for those obtained via fishing versus those obtained via monster kills. Fishing trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon item pick-up, whereas monster-kill trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon use. This difference was resulting in a high volume of bug reports and feedback in which players thought the collectible trophies were broken. That combined with the availability being limited by level-range prompted us to make the system more intuitive and uniform. That’s where the upcoming changes come in.

So what do those changes consist of? Here’s a short list:
All collectible trophies will now grant the associated achievement when the item is first looted.

Monster trophies will always drop off appropriate level monsters for your character. A game-wide audit was done to make sure that no matter what level you are, there is always a place you can go to work on collecting the trophy you are looking for.

Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character.

We hope that helps clarify the changes. Please let us know if you have any questions!

So maybe I am just burnt out at this point, but what I read from that was:

People complain for months about blatant macro botting, no response.
People complain for months about botting/grinding CP with no cap and no catchup with extremely limited "we'll look into it" or basically no response.
People macro botting/grinding instant respawns ruining what's left of the economy for months with no response.
People voicing concern for over a month about corpse looting being foisted on an Elder Scrolls game with no response.
Etc...

But this issue is causing US to get too many support tickets, so we'll fix THAT which isn't broken, and causes more inconvenience for players who may not want to have ANOTHER mindless grind on each character specifically when the system of just getting things as they come as you level alts and sending them to your main worked fine, and even had addons written specifically to help track progress.

I get it though. Priorities.

Also I seriously doubt they were getting inundated with tickets on this. If so a canned reply seems simple enough. What I think they have been getting support tickets on are problems like with Fleshy Symbiont where the trophies AREN'T DROPPING, which is a REAL issue, not that people can't figure out what "already added to your collection" means.

Lylith · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

Phinix1 wrote: »

I swear, the past six months have been like watching the devs sit around a table with troll masks on snickering about who can come up with the worst, most customer-infuriating idea to one-up the last one.

I am convinced they WANT to p^%& us off at this point.

certainly seems that way, sometimes.

obsessively, (or is it maliciously?), 'fixing' what isn't broken.

Fissh · August 2015

Why? For the past YEAR I have enjoyed the casual hunt while revisiting content on Alts.

Going for one more effort on attention to this. @ZOS_RichLambert, don't let this happen please.

Merlin13KAGL · August 2015

First, I despise polls where Other is not an option. It's narrowminded to think the options you choose are the the only possibilities there are.

/soapbox

On to the topic, if it's an item intended to be found in order to get an achievement, then you should have to find it, not borrow the extra from your older brother or sister.

It's the difference between wrestling an alligator and keeping a tooth as proof, vs buying one at the local souvenir shop.

What I would like to see is the ability to click on the item under the achievement and have the description come up, without having to have the item in your inventory. This is for the monster trophies.

If regarding 'quest reward' trophies, they should be added to your collection just like anything else and accessible from the characters that have earned them.

Neither should take up inventory space.

Darlgon · August 2015

I have the achievement, so this is irrelevant to me.

Hard choice which one I wanted to click more because:

1 I DONT CARE. It was handy, but also annoying that I could have a level 3 AD char with fish from Stonefalls in his achievement, but also kinda cool. In some ways, it would seem more fair for it to only apply to the char that earned it.

2 Once one char gets the achievement, it unlocks the color for all. Which brings me back to number one.