He´s bashing you, you said he is.
Why do you bash his group mates? I don´t understand it, sorry.
Fluff and you got some serious problems you need to talk about it seems, but this thread is not the right location for it.
Reacting like this seems pretty childish..
Kind of like those same people jumping all over anyone who says exploiting is bad?
Kind of the people pointing out that damning exploit while defending nirn with the same breath is kinda bigot to begin with.
You and the Nirn again. What is so difficult about the differences for you to grasp?
On one hand you have a player using an armor trait that does what it was designed to do and was admittedly over tweaked to be too powerful. Let's even make a stretch and say it is bugged despite being pointed out that this isn't the case by the devs. Ok. Using Nirnhoned is no different than using Dawnbreaker of Smiting, or Damage shields since all of them are benefiting from bugs right now that make them more powerful than they are intended.
On the other hand you have a player that is benefiting from buffs that were designed to be either set bonuses or cost abilities slots without actually spending those ability slots or sets by purposefully breaking game mechanics (no need for details). He gets these benefits while sacrificing absolutely nothing.
The continue to lump these two together either shows extreme bias on your part for one reason or another or extreme stupidity. I'll let you decided which because I'm on the fence at this point.
He´s bashing you, you said he is.
Why do you bash his group mates? I don´t understand it, sorry.
Fluff and you got some serious problems you need to talk about it seems, but this thread is not the right location for it.
Reacting like this seems pretty childish..
Kind of like those same people jumping all over anyone who says exploiting is bad?
Kind of the people pointing out that damning exploit while defending nirn with the same breath is kinda bigot to begin with.
You and the Nirn again. What is so difficult about the differences for you to grasp?
On one hand you have a player using an armor trait that does what it was designed to do and was admittedly over tweaked to be too powerful. Let's even make a stretch and say it is bugged despite being pointed out that this isn't the case by the devs. Ok. Using Nirnhoned is no different than using Dawnbreaker of Smiting, or Damage shields since all of them are benefiting from bugs right now that make them more powerful than they are intended.
On the other hand you have a player that is benefiting from buffs that were designed to be either set bonuses or cost abilities slots without actually spending those ability slots or sets by purposefully breaking game mechanics (no need for details). He gets these benefits while sacrificing absolutely nothing.
The continue to lump these two together either shows extreme bias on your part for one reason or another or extreme stupidity. I'll let you decided which because I'm on the fence at this point.
You know what bothers me about that kind of nirn reasoning since the beginning of the discussion? The wording when they changed nirn on the pts in the patchnotes.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1566503#Comment_1566503
Just go to traits and nirnhoned. This was the original change. The patchnotes clearly indicate that they though nirn was working like reinforced for armor pieces (people complained bc it was and was worthless compared to reinforced). WITH this changed they changed nirnhoned to work the way it does now - modifying all resistance of the character. Nothing in the patchnotes leads to indicate this change at all. So yeah there you have it. I consider nirn a bug to this day.
He´s bashing you, you said he is.
Why do you bash his group mates? I don´t understand it, sorry.
Fluff and you got some serious problems you need to talk about it seems, but this thread is not the right location for it.
Reacting like this seems pretty childish..
Kind of like those same people jumping all over anyone who says exploiting is bad?
Kind of the people pointing out that damning exploit while defending nirn with the same breath is kinda bigot to begin with.
You and the Nirn again. What is so difficult about the differences for you to grasp?
On one hand you have a player using an armor trait that does what it was designed to do and was admittedly over tweaked to be too powerful. Let's even make a stretch and say it is bugged despite being pointed out that this isn't the case by the devs. Ok. Using Nirnhoned is no different than using Dawnbreaker of Smiting, or Damage shields since all of them are benefiting from bugs right now that make them more powerful than they are intended.
On the other hand you have a player that is benefiting from buffs that were designed to be either set bonuses or cost abilities slots without actually spending those ability slots or sets by purposefully breaking game mechanics (no need for details). He gets these benefits while sacrificing absolutely nothing.
The continue to lump these two together either shows extreme bias on your part for one reason or another or extreme stupidity. I'll let you decided which because I'm on the fence at this point.
You know what bothers me about that kind of nirn reasoning since the beginning of the discussion? The wording when they changed nirn on the pts in the patchnotes.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1566503#Comment_1566503
Just go to traits and nirnhoned. This was the original change. The patchnotes clearly indicate that they though nirn was working like reinforced for armor pieces (people complained bc it was and was worthless compared to reinforced). WITH this changed they changed nirnhoned to work the way it does now - modifying all resistance of the character. Nothing in the patchnotes leads to indicate this change at all. So yeah there you have it. I consider nirn a bug to this day.
That was the exact argument I gave back in the day too and I agree with you. I even posted that same thing to Huntlar and Xsorus when they kept reiterating it wasn't a bug. Then either Jessica or Gina came in and supported one of them and said no, it is not a bug, it is working as intended but is too strong. That's when I just gave up that line of thought and rolled with it.
So I see your point and agree with it, but I'm going to take ZoS's official stance on the matter and bug or not the point I made above still stands. Using an ability as it was intended (even a bugged ability yes) is not even in the same league as purposefully breaking things in an unintended way in order to gain an advantage over others.
LegendaryMage wrote: »@Ezareth don't bother dealing with these people, they're just a bunch of angry small scale guildies who collectively might be a decent group in Cyrodiil compared to random groups, but once you take away their 'toys' (like fluff is doing in the video) they're individually not capable of doing anything important really.
Really low blow, from someone with an ego so big he's selling T-shirts
LegendaryMage wrote: »@Ezareth don't bother dealing with these people, they're just a bunch of angry small scale guildies who collectively might be a decent group in Cyrodiil compared to random groups, but once you take away their 'toys' (like fluff is doing in the video) they're individually not capable of doing anything important really.
Really low blow, from someone with an ego so big he's selling T-shirts
How many Legendary Mage videos does it take to fill the entire front page of this forum? I mean, if someone just went ahead and bumped all he posted within a two week range you could probably fill the entire two first pages.
Edit: I just realized the guy even has his own forum named after himself.. "The Legendary Community". Jeeeez.

LegendaryMage wrote: »@Ezareth don't bother dealing with these people, they're just a bunch of angry small scale guildies who collectively might be a decent group in Cyrodiil compared to random groups, but once you take away their 'toys' (like fluff is doing in the video) they're individually not capable of doing anything important really.
Really low blow, from someone with an ego so big he's selling T-shirts
How many Legendary Mage videos does it take to fill the entire front page of this forum? I mean, if someone just went ahead and bumped all he posted within a two week range you could probably fill the entire two first pages.
Edit: I just realized the guy even has his own forum named after himself.. "The Legendary Community". Jeeeez.
I still can't believe those shirts gotta be a joke right?

They are going to be selling by the thousands nowLegendaryMage wrote: »@Ezareth don't bother dealing with these people, they're just a bunch of angry small scale guildies who collectively might be a decent group in Cyrodiil compared to random groups, but once you take away their 'toys' (like fluff is doing in the video) they're individually not capable of doing anything important really.
Really low blow, from someone with an ego so big he's selling T-shirts
How many Legendary Mage videos does it take to fill the entire front page of this forum? I mean, if someone just went ahead and bumped all he posted within a two week range you could probably fill the entire two first pages.
Edit: I just realized the guy even has his own forum named after himself.. "The Legendary Community". Jeeeez.
I still can't believe those shirts gotta be a joke right?
Given that @LegendaryMage isn't brave enough to post his reply here and he chose to message it instead, I will post it on his behalf:.Alright, excuse me but I gotta clear up this 'Arena and LM's reputation is dying' BS.
First of all, the 10+ guildies are the DC ones who collectively left recently. And my 'reputation' has never mattered to me, I've allowed people like fluffy to bash me in gchat countless of times before, or people similar like him. Never took it to heart, never will.Still don't, but you're talking about our guild now, so:
2nd of all, Arena has more members than ever before, care to join back and see for yourself?
3rd, we have more people having fun at duel spot than EVER before. There are no more problematic people or exploiters who will mess things up for people who DO want to have fun.
4th, YOU were a useless officer and I don't know why I ever agreed to make you one, you literally never did anything good for the guild, except talk smack like now without even having a clue what you're talking about.
5th. You have absolutely no clue who I am, what I do and why I behave like I do. I'm not tolerating *** and never will. I don't use exploits and never will. I never used any sorc bugs in any of my videos, and the last few clips I have recorded with DB of smiting are the last ones I'm gonna post these days because I'm switching back to other stuff that's considered 'white-hat', regardless of whether it's a good decision or not. And you will see that in the videos.
6th, If I ever made ANY mistakes (remember, I consult with people before I do anything, I never did anything without TALKING with other people about it first) I am truly sorry about it. Man enough for you now Sublime?
Response to follow.
3. Glad to hear it. I'd be having fun too if only average or subpar members were left. From what I can see, a vast majority of the decentexploiting players left for Misericorde.
Given that @LegendaryMage isn't brave enough to post his reply here and he chose to message it instead, I will post it on his behalf:.Alright, excuse me but I gotta clear up this 'Arena and LM's reputation is dying' BS.
First of all, the 10+ guildies are the DC ones who collectively left recently. And my 'reputation' has never mattered to me, I've allowed people like fluffy to bash me in gchat countless of times before, or people similar like him. Never took it to heart, never will.Still don't, but you're talking about our guild now, so:
2nd of all, Arena has more members than ever before, care to join back and see for yourself?
3rd, we have more people having fun at duel spot than EVER before. There are no more problematic people or exploiters who will mess things up for people who DO want to have fun.
4th, YOU were a useless officer and I don't know why I ever agreed to make you one, you literally never did anything good for the guild, except talk smack like now without even having a clue what you're talking about.
5th. You have absolutely no clue who I am, what I do and why I behave like I do. I'm not tolerating *** and never will. I don't use exploits and never will. I never used any sorc bugs in any of my videos, and the last few clips I have recorded with DB of smiting are the last ones I'm gonna post these days because I'm switching back to other stuff that's considered 'white-hat', regardless of whether it's a good decision or not. And you will see that in the videos.
6th, If I ever made ANY mistakes (remember, I consult with people before I do anything, I never did anything without TALKING with other people about it first) I am truly sorry about it. Man enough for you now Sublime?
Response to follow.
3. Glad to hear it. I'd be having fun too if only average or subpar members were left. From what I can see, a vast majority of the decentexploiting players left for Misericorde.
Fixed it for ya:) np
LegendaryMage wrote: »@Ezareth don't bother dealing with these people, they're just a bunch of angry small scale guildies who collectively might be a decent group in Cyrodiil compared to random groups, but once you take away their 'toys' (like fluff is doing in the video) they're individually not capable of doing anything important really.
Really low blow, from someone with an ego so big he's selling T-shirts
T3hOwnage69 wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »@Ezareth don't bother dealing with these people, they're just a bunch of angry small scale guildies who collectively might be a decent group in Cyrodiil compared to random groups, but once you take away their 'toys' (like fluff is doing in the video) they're individually not capable of doing anything important really.
Really low blow, from someone with an ego so big he's selling T-shirts
lol somebody is in need for a airplane ticket to see his virtual girlfriend
no was not aimed at you unless ur seeing dating a brazilian aswellT3hOwnage69 wrote: »LegendaryMage wrote: »@Ezareth don't bother dealing with these people, they're just a bunch of angry small scale guildies who collectively might be a decent group in Cyrodiil compared to random groups, but once you take away their 'toys' (like fluff is doing in the video) they're individually not capable of doing anything important really.
Really low blow, from someone with an ego so big he's selling T-shirts
lol somebody is in need for a airplane ticket to see his virtual girlfriend
If that was aimed at me, I didn't catch the joke
Given that @LegendaryMage isn't brave enough to post his reply here and he chose to message it instead, I will post it on his behalf:.Alright, excuse me but I gotta clear up this 'Arena and LM's reputation is dying' BS.
First of all, the 10+ guildies are the DC ones who collectively left recently. And my 'reputation' has never mattered to me, I've allowed people like fluffy to bash me in gchat countless of times before, or people similar like him. Never took it to heart, never will.Still don't, but you're talking about our guild now, so:
2nd of all, Arena has more members than ever before, care to join back and see for yourself?
3rd, we have more people having fun at duel spot than EVER before. There are no more problematic people or exploiters who will mess things up for people who DO want to have fun.
4th, YOU were a useless officer and I don't know why I ever agreed to make you one, you literally never did anything good for the guild, except talk smack like now without even having a clue what you're talking about.
5th. You have absolutely no clue who I am, what I do and why I behave like I do. I'm not tolerating *** and never will. I don't use exploits and never will. I never used any sorc bugs in any of my videos, and the last few clips I have recorded with DB of smiting are the last ones I'm gonna post these days because I'm switching back to other stuff that's considered 'white-hat', regardless of whether it's a good decision or not. And you will see that in the videos.
6th, If I ever made ANY mistakes (remember, I consult with people before I do anything, I never did anything without TALKING with other people about it first) I am truly sorry about it. Man enough for you now Sublime?
Response to follow.
3. Glad to hear it. I'd be having fun too if only average or subpar members were left. From what I can see, a vast majority of the decentexploiting players left for Misericorde.
Fixed it for ya:) np

Also, who the fuck is Sublime? I'm Lastobeth.
mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Also, who the fuck is Sublime? I'm Lastobeth.
I still believe Sublime is responsible for all this mess. I'll have a quiet word with him on TS tonight and settle this.
I don't normally type anything of substance in these threads (I just crack some jokes like the one above), but I'm really dismayed at what's happening here. It has degenerated to nothing more than petty name calling from both sides now
If sense can't prevail, if bridges are burned and can't be repaired then at least let it stop here and save whatever is left of this fractured dueling community.
Somewhere among this shambles there was a pretty cool video to see too
PS: Btw, if anyone of you has ever spoken to Sublime that guy is more neutral than Switzerland, which makes it a double joke because he actually is from Switzerland.
Fluffy_Fr0zR wrote: »
Not that i want to put myself as a white knight here, but " more than petty name calling from both sides now " (which i guess states Mage and me), do you see me getting personal or anything anywhere?
I have kept myself far from the discussion id say
All the memes/banter etc isnt coming from my side.
T3hOwnage69 wrote: »no was not aimed at you unless ur seeing dating a brazilian aswell
LegendaryMage wrote: »T3hOwnage69 wrote: »no was not aimed at you unless ur seeing dating a brazilian aswell
Oh so now we're gonna move on from insulting me personally to insulting people dear to me, what's next on the menu, my dog/cat/parrot?
Anyway, if you're gonna be so low and lame to make such assumptions with regards to my freaking financial situation (lol), I'll tell you like it is just to humor you.
So I've been living alone and paying for my own stuff (basically 'working') since I was 18, almost 25 now (less than a week to go, 1st September) and I have a place on my own name. I've been playing this game for a long time now and if you're invested into something significantly (let's say a hobby) and you can also profit off of it, then why not do it?
There's nothing better than having a hobby that can also pay you every now and then, lots of players do that all the time. You got a problem with all those people streaming and accepting donations too? Maybe you just have a problem with yourself being a simple plain nobody who's unable to do any of that on his/her own.
This is not a personal insult to you, there's nothing bad about being a 'nobody' such as yourself.
Fluffy_Fr0zR wrote: »didnt you say youre out of the discussion? like, for good? like ... more than once ?
AbraXuSeXile wrote: »Things are very heated here lets start a discussion to cool things down
So... whats the best dueling guild?
LegendaryMage wrote: »Fluffy_Fr0zR wrote: »didnt you say youre out of the discussion? like, for good? like ... more than once ?
I check the thread sometimes to entertain myself and don't reply if it's directed to me. But I won't let people insult other people who have nothing to do with this. Don't insult anyone else and you'll never see me here again. You can bash me as much as you want, it's totally unimportant to me, but when they bash other people then it becomes more important and I won't put up with that.