PvE - RIP Stamina classes in PvE Trials/Arena

F7sus4 · August 2015

chongguang wrote: »

Sorcerer can hit 35K? Surpass all the biggest stamina competitors ? Why the newest VDSA EU team still made up of 4 Templars in live ?
I think you should prepare some screen catches as proof before you want to post something real unbelievable.

So where's that LOL button, again?

Glantir · August 2015

Instant wrote: »

Obviously overload is quite useless in dsa. At least in most situations.
Watch the video and see a sorc doing 31k dps on manti on live. Considering how much that overload build got buffed on pts i think 35k is a reasonable assumption.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN08Xygc39I

Sorry for German ^^
Was macht denn Segen von Jone/Jode?

Amazing dmg, my liquid lightning doesnt make 2,6k dmg

ragespell · August 2015

As I said before, in this thread have spoken much better sorc than me.

But I want to point out that sorc can achive that great dps once every 333 seconds in combat (the time to gain 1000 ultimates point).
At the speed that some group destroy dungeons, that means you are lucky if you have 1000 ultimates for a boss every run, to spam overload.

Am I missing something?

Xantaria · August 2015

I will definitely stay on my Stamina DK and make it work. There are some possibilities ...

I mean I don't really have a choice. I will always in every game just play one character forever. Can't even stay for an hour on a character that is not my main.

RammAss · August 2015

The new metagame is to play magica and sorc is the best by a mile. There is nothing any1 can do about it. Its done! Stamina builds are going to extinct just like the dinosaurs. You can adopt to the changing climate or end up just like they did.

Senaxu · August 2015

ragespell wrote: »

As I said before, in this thread have spoken much better sorc than me.

But I want to point out that sorc can achive that great dps once every 333 seconds in combat (the time to gain 1000 ultimates point).
At the speed that some group destroy dungeons, that means you are lucky if you have 1000 ultimates for a boss every run, to spam overload.

Am I missing something?

Absolutely true! You have an enorm burst with a huge cooldown. so if you want more sustain DPS over multiple fights you have to play an other build on sorc than overload.

@RammAss i wish you best of luck. would be nice if you give us a little feedback the next few weeks how it going.

Jeckll · August 2015

RammAss wrote: »

The new metagame is to play magica and sorc is the best by a mile. There is nothing any1 can do about it. Its done! Stamina builds are going to extinct just like the dinosaurs. You can adopt to the changing climate or end up just like they did.

@ZOS_GinaBruno I know people asked for it before, but never before did I feel the need to press that ancient LOL-Button that shared the same fate as the dinosaurs did...

Maybe you can find the Source Code of those LOL-Buttons in Mosquitos preserved in amber and if some of the code is missing, complete it with FarmVille Code...

Senaxu · August 2015

Jeckll wrote: »

RammAss wrote: »

The new metagame is to play magica and sorc is the best by a mile. There is nothing any1 can do about it. Its done! Stamina builds are going to extinct just like the dinosaurs. You can adopt to the changing climate or end up just like they did.

@ZOS_GinaBruno I know people asked for it before, but never before did I feel the need to press that ancient LOL-Button that shared the same fate as the dinosaurs did...

Maybe you can find the Source Code of those LOL-Buttons in Mosquitos preserved in amber and if some of the code is missing, complete it with FarmVille Code...

maybe we should request the "made my day" button.

ragespell · August 2015

Senaxu wrote: »

ragespell wrote: »

As I said before, in this thread have spoken much better sorc than me.

But I want to point out that sorc can achive that great dps once every 333 seconds in combat (the time to gain 1000 ultimates point).
At the speed that some group destroy dungeons, that means you are lucky if you have 1000 ultimates for a boss every run, to spam overload.

Am I missing something?

Absolutely true! You have an enorm burst with a huge cooldown. so if you want more sustain DPS over multiple fights you have to play an other build on sorc than overload.

May I ask you if there is a sorc build who can do 15-18k or more ST damage without overload?
Because those are the numbers that other classes post in chat every pull

Senaxu · August 2015

ragespell wrote: »

Senaxu wrote: »

ragespell wrote: »

As I said before, in this thread have spoken much better sorc than me.

But I want to point out that sorc can achive that great dps once every 333 seconds in combat (the time to gain 1000 ultimates point).
At the speed that some group destroy dungeons, that means you are lucky if you have 1000 ultimates for a boss every run, to spam overload.

Am I missing something?

Absolutely true! You have an enorm burst with a huge cooldown. so if you want more sustain DPS over multiple fights you have to play an other build on sorc than overload.

May I ask you if there is a sorc build who can do 15-18k or more ST damage without overload?
Because those are the numbers that other classes post in chat every pull

There is. It makes no sense to release it 1 week before the update but i'll definitely release it after it.

Leon119 · August 2015

F7sus4 wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Any idea what mag nb's are pulling? Seems like they might be a good option too.

With properly built and piloted Magicka NB you can reach an average of 22k DPS on Mantikora (2.0.x). In 2.1.x, it's gonna be better.

any idea what the proper build in order to pull that dps is ?

Springt-Über-Zwerge · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Senaxu wrote: »

ok, now i have to join the conversation.

About overload(PvE):
1. Its just that good as your team. (Easy rotation lol...)
2. If it lasts in a single DPS fight before the execute-phase your DPS is decrease a huge amount vs other classes. (build)
3. You have zero effect while blocking (blockcasting isn't possible). You offer maximum offensive for fragile playstyle.
4. Its usefull for every singleDPS fight that takes less time than 60 sec to the execute phase. (max 120sec for a fullfight)
5. The damage is to huge if it is up.

the solution would be, nerf overload but increase some other skills (stormatronach) from the Mage to keep him alive to compare with other classes. Make it possible for pets to procc undaunted sets (neriens aeth, Deadroth set, scaterling mage) also for make petbuilds more interessting for the players.
Dont forget as a successfull PvE-DPS-Mage like as a petmage or as an overload mage you have to have 2 toggle-skills on every skillbar.

altogether its not easy to make him even to other classes, but to come back to the original theme here:

Staminafixes
are incoming for the next patch and its a fact, that the peoples who use it as they main resource got hit hard by that. AoE atm on live is unbeatable for any magica class if you compare vs stamina steeltornado, scorched earth... with the fixes they are pretty even now on the PTS. Singletarget is an other story and for me (unexpierenced Stamina player) it feels a little bit to weak. maybe its about less collection about new stamina sets, maybe there are new builds, that i dont discovered atm but the fact that you get no more staminareg while blocking and the cd on ravanger.... i dont know..

Overload is too good for PvE but nothing special for PvP. Attronach is okayish is PvE but terrible for PvP since it can be CC and killed, which is atrocious for an ultimate.

The solution is a) buff attronach b) nerf overload base damage but add bonus damage against players so it's not left in a weaker spot than it is now.

If you just straight nerf Overload, all Sorc ultimates will be useless for PvP.

Oh guess how many templar ultimates I use in pvp xD