Just want to say I hope something is done about this too because I don't want to go back to Magicka everything it makes the game less diverse.

How is stamina aoe dps compared to magicka on pts?

Alcast wrote: »

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

I knew it'd be less than on Live, but I didn't expect that drastic differences.

Sharpened Mace on live should "only" be providing a 10-15% difference.

I'd be curious about what gear you were wearing, since many of the current sets are now pretty bad on PTS.


5x Hunding's, 5x Ravager & 2x Nerien'eth/Kena will probably end up being the way to go

Same as on live, 5x Hundings, 5x Ravager, 2x Master Dagger (Sharpened)

Scyantific wrote: »

I call BS. I main a Sorc and even I know that magicka Sorcs have the worst sustained DPS out of all the classes.

Please check your facts.

dude, just lol, I dont even know where to begin to tell you how wrong you are..

Still 2x sharpened daggers and not maces were over-reducing the armor of the enemy on live. Even worse offenders were the sharpened maces that tests demonstrated that one sharpened mace reduced enemy armor by 70%.

Changing from another trait to 2x sharpened weapons (not maces) equated to a 10-14% DPS increase on live even before calculating the loss of the DPS of the previous weapons (precise, weighted etc).

Atm 1 sharpend weapon adds 4% extra damage against high armored targets on PTS and factoring in the loss of the previous trait it is around 2% DPS increase.

Seems to be working accordingly. However, tooltip numbers of separate stamina abilities have to be reconsidered.

On live I am at 100% Penetration+Camo and doing around 21k+ on Manti with 400 CP. Now Sharpened fix, camo 2x nerf, ravager nerf puts stam dps around 13-16k, this is ridiculous compared to Magicka classes which easily pull 18-25k (and Sorc 30k+)

Its just sad that Stamina only could compete due to Sharpened bug ><

Also, reason why stamina was good because it was stronger in AoE, which now also got crippled

will its also ridiculous the other way around, seeing right now on live stam templars doing 25-30k dps with one button, while magicka almost cant reach that, so im happy with the upcoming changes, it was about time

Faulgor wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

ragespell wrote: »

Or am I THAT bad!?!

kena gives you 6xx more spell dmg, the apprentice after the change gives you spell dmg on a value like warrior for stamina builds does so you´ll get around 1+k more spell dmg than now. wich is a significant increase.

but those numbers clearly indicate that there are some significant errors still existing within their resistence/penetration calculation. otherwise magica with lower tooltip values on all abilities than stamina can´t come out on top...

Can somebody explain why this Overload build is specific to magicka sorcs?
You'd think stamina sorcs would do more damage with overload because you can stack weapon damage much higher than spell damage.

its not magica sorc specific but
you are lacking pierce as a stamina class (sth broken as allways^^ - i´m waiting for the moment they get that *** working properly^^) and as spell dmg itemization (apprentice now adds spell dmg like warrior) and sets like ravage decreased in their efficiency the weapon- over spelldmg advantage has been significantly lessend. thus magica dmg has an advantage currently wich makes magica sorcs stronger than stamina sorcs in this regard.

omfgitsbatman wrote: »

It's really hard to read this post in any other way besides: "My class isn't on top of the DPS charts anymore because of bugs and exploits. Nerf the others please."

It's really hard to have a solid balance discussion when everytime someone posts suggestions gets this kind of answer.

ok, now i have to join the conversation.

About overload(PvE):
1. Its just that good as your team. (Easy rotation lol...)
2. If it lasts in a single DPS fight before the execute-phase your DPS is decrease a huge amount vs other classes. (build)
3. You have zero effect while blocking (blockcasting isn't possible). You offer maximum offensive for fragile playstyle.
4. Its usefull for every singleDPS fight that takes less time than 60 sec to the execute phase. (max 120sec for a fullfight)
5. The damage is to huge if it is up.

the solution would be, nerf overload but increase some other skills (stormatronach) from the Mage to keep him alive to compare with other classes. Make it possible for pets to procc undaunted sets (neriens aeth, Deadroth set, scaterling mage) also for make petbuilds more interessting for the players.
Dont forget as a successfull PvE-DPS-Mage like as a petmage or as an overload mage you have to have 2 toggle-skills on every skillbar.

altogether its not easy to make him even to other classes, but to come back to the original theme here:

Staminafixes
are incoming for the next patch and its a fact, that the peoples who use it as they main resource got hit hard by that. AoE atm on live is unbeatable for any magica class if you compare vs stamina steeltornado, scorched earth... with the fixes they are pretty even now on the PTS. Singletarget is an other story and for me (unexpierenced Stamina player) it feels a little bit to weak. maybe its about less collection about new stamina sets, maybe there are new builds, that i dont discovered atm but the fact that you get no more staminareg while blocking and the cd on ravanger.... i dont know..

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Senaxu wrote: »

ok, now i have to join the conversation.

About overload(PvE):
1. Its just that good as your team. (Easy rotation lol...)
2. If it lasts in a single DPS fight before the execute-phase your DPS is decrease a huge amount vs other classes. (build)
3. You have zero effect while blocking (blockcasting isn't possible). You offer maximum offensive for fragile playstyle.
4. Its usefull for every singleDPS fight that takes less time than 60 sec to the execute phase. (max 120sec for a fullfight)
5. The damage is to huge if it is up.

the solution would be, nerf overload but increase some other skills (stormatronach) from the Mage to keep him alive to compare with other classes. Make it possible for pets to procc undaunted sets (neriens aeth, Deadroth set, scaterling mage) also for make petbuilds more interessting for the players.
Dont forget as a successfull PvE-DPS-Mage like as a petmage or as an overload mage you have to have 2 toggle-skills on every skillbar.

altogether its not easy to make him even to other classes, but to come back to the original theme here:

Staminafixes
are incoming for the next patch and its a fact, that the peoples who use it as they main resource got hit hard by that. AoE atm on live is unbeatable for any magica class if you compare vs stamina steeltornado, scorched earth... with the fixes they are pretty even now on the PTS. Singletarget is an other story and for me (unexpierenced Stamina player) it feels a little bit to weak. maybe its about less collection about new stamina sets, maybe there are new builds, that i dont discovered atm but the fact that you get no more staminareg while blocking and the cd on ravanger.... i dont know..

Overload is too good for PvE but nothing special for PvP. Attronach is okayish is PvE but terrible for PvP since it can be CC and killed, which is atrocious for an ultimate.

The solution is a) buff attronach b) nerf overload base damage but add bonus damage against players so it's not left in a weaker spot than it is now.

If you just straight nerf Overload, all Sorc ultimates will be useless for PvP.

As I said I'm not the best sorc dps around, but why we must rely on ultimates (being it overload or whatever) to have a decent dps?
I suppose other classes haven't this problem, they ALWAYS do an high dps(I'm just assuming, don't really know if it is so)

Robbmrp wrote: »

So how is this any different than live with some players having little CP grouping with others that have a ton? Or were you testing with template characters all with the same amount of CP points?

We all have around 400 CP

ragespell wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Senaxu wrote: »

ok, now i have to join the conversation.

About overload(PvE):
1. Its just that good as your team. (Easy rotation lol...)
2. If it lasts in a single DPS fight before the execute-phase your DPS is decrease a huge amount vs other classes. (build)
3. You have zero effect while blocking (blockcasting isn't possible). You offer maximum offensive for fragile playstyle.
4. Its usefull for every singleDPS fight that takes less time than 60 sec to the execute phase. (max 120sec for a fullfight)
5. The damage is to huge if it is up.

the solution would be, nerf overload but increase some other skills (stormatronach) from the Mage to keep him alive to compare with other classes. Make it possible for pets to procc undaunted sets (neriens aeth, Deadroth set, scaterling mage) also for make petbuilds more interessting for the players.
Dont forget as a successfull PvE-DPS-Mage like as a petmage or as an overload mage you have to have 2 toggle-skills on every skillbar.

altogether its not easy to make him even to other classes, but to come back to the original theme here:

Staminafixes
are incoming for the next patch and its a fact, that the peoples who use it as they main resource got hit hard by that. AoE atm on live is unbeatable for any magica class if you compare vs stamina steeltornado, scorched earth... with the fixes they are pretty even now on the PTS. Singletarget is an other story and for me (unexpierenced Stamina player) it feels a little bit to weak. maybe its about less collection about new stamina sets, maybe there are new builds, that i dont discovered atm but the fact that you get no more staminareg while blocking and the cd on ravanger.... i dont know..

Overload is too good for PvE but nothing special for PvP. Attronach is okayish is PvE but terrible for PvP since it can be CC and killed, which is atrocious for an ultimate.

The solution is a) buff attronach b) nerf overload base damage but add bonus damage against players so it's not left in a weaker spot than it is now.

If you just straight nerf Overload, all Sorc ultimates will be useless for PvP.

As I said I'm not the best sorc dps around, but why we must rely on ultimates (being it overload or whatever) to have a decent dps?
I suppose other classes haven't this problem, they ALWAYS do an high dps(I'm just assuming, don't really know if it is so)

You are assuming wrong, DKs also rely on banner for DPS increase.

Plus my suggestion actually reduces the overall Sorc DPS and the dependency on Overload. If you can achieve similar DPS with Attro as with Overload and that DPS is nerfed sufficiently to be inline with most other classes of same CP-level, then we are all good.

ragespell wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ragespell wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Senaxu wrote: »

ok, now i have to join the conversation.

About overload(PvE):
1. Its just that good as your team. (Easy rotation lol...)
2. If it lasts in a single DPS fight before the execute-phase your DPS is decrease a huge amount vs other classes. (build)
3. You have zero effect while blocking (blockcasting isn't possible). You offer maximum offensive for fragile playstyle.
4. Its usefull for every singleDPS fight that takes less time than 60 sec to the execute phase. (max 120sec for a fullfight)
5. The damage is to huge if it is up.

the solution would be, nerf overload but increase some other skills (stormatronach) from the Mage to keep him alive to compare with other classes. Make it possible for pets to procc undaunted sets (neriens aeth, Deadroth set, scaterling mage) also for make petbuilds more interessting for the players.
Dont forget as a successfull PvE-DPS-Mage like as a petmage or as an overload mage you have to have 2 toggle-skills on every skillbar.

altogether its not easy to make him even to other classes, but to come back to the original theme here:

Staminafixes
are incoming for the next patch and its a fact, that the peoples who use it as they main resource got hit hard by that. AoE atm on live is unbeatable for any magica class if you compare vs stamina steeltornado, scorched earth... with the fixes they are pretty even now on the PTS. Singletarget is an other story and for me (unexpierenced Stamina player) it feels a little bit to weak. maybe its about less collection about new stamina sets, maybe there are new builds, that i dont discovered atm but the fact that you get no more staminareg while blocking and the cd on ravanger.... i dont know..

Overload is too good for PvE but nothing special for PvP. Attronach is okayish is PvE but terrible for PvP since it can be CC and killed, which is atrocious for an ultimate.

The solution is a) buff attronach b) nerf overload base damage but add bonus damage against players so it's not left in a weaker spot than it is now.

If you just straight nerf Overload, all Sorc ultimates will be useless for PvP.

As I said I'm not the best sorc dps around, but why we must rely on ultimates (being it overload or whatever) to have a decent dps?
I suppose other classes haven't this problem, they ALWAYS do an high dps(I'm just assuming, don't really know if it is so)

You are assuming wrong, DKs also rely on banner for DPS increase.

Plus my suggestion actually reduces the overall Sorc DPS and the dependency on Overload. If you can achieve similar DPS with Attro as with Overload and that DPS is nerfed sufficiently to be inline with most other classes of same CP-level, then we are all good.

But I think we DON'T have the same dps as the other classes if we don't count ultimate. If you nerf our ultimates dps, as you seem to imply, we won't stand a chance against other classes dps

But why wouldn't you count ultimate as part of your DPS, that doesn't make sense. Every DPS uses ultimates.

If Sorc has lower DPS without ultimate but this balances out with other classes once the ultimate drops then it's still balanced.

They just have to nerf it enough to be competitive without being over the top with the nerf. It sounds simple to me.

But seriously I've been crying on the forums since PTS went up. The stam classes took a large hit from several angles (WW, blocking, rolling, Ravager, sharp maces*, camo hunter*, caltrops). It looks more and more like the pendulum is swinging back to magic builds as they offer plenty high dps and much more survivability with the blocking and rolling changes. If we go back to the 1.3 - 1.5 days of all magic builds (gdamn baby face masks), then I will be ready but this is bad news for the game.

#1.6Forever!

In my point of view, yes we can have equal or slightly better dps than any other classes...BUT 1 fight every run

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Sorry to hear about this. Stamina users will just have to adapt.

^^^ LOL.

IC Theme = Adapt or Reroll, but don't reroll too much they will make a penalty for that too. 33% increased character creation time and quest completion time with 33% reduced xp.

@EricWrobel ESO+ membership isn't fun anymore, all you do is pay $15 a month and get 10% increased XP and crowns to spend, BORING!!!. You should fix this too... Let subscribers get stm regen while blocking that would be fun. It's not P2W it's a convenience.

#Vote4EricWrobelFun
Killing ESO 1 inexplicable nerf at a time.