Best Advice for people rolling Magicka NB's for IC

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2015

JDar wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

LoL NBs posting here. DKs admitted they were top dogs back in the day

except they really weren't.

Agreed. The old "top dog" DKs relied heavily on people suiciding into flappy flaps and standing in banners. Ultimate gain rate probably needed to be adjusted slightly, that is about it.

Too late. Dk officially dead class

Huh. I'm actually leveling a dragonknight right now because I'm tired of getting killed so much so easily. Which will happen if you are a magicka nightblade soloing and you make a mistake.

I think a lot of people will find the class is not for them but continue to play it anyway because "hey it's the new meta right? And the real problem is that ZoS should nerf ________(insert effective ability here)________" lol

That's the real reason I started this thread. I don't want my main toon's class to get nerfed because things get out of control balance-wise. We waited so long for our class' abilities and passives to be coherent and fully functional.

Personally I am looking forward to enjoying a little coherent and fully functional game play as I hope many others are! Besides if everyone is enjoying coherent and fully functional game play then why would they change a thing, I'd call that PERFECT.

Lava_Croft · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Bring me more of these fresh Nightblades please.

Well rolling new characters does come with an adaptation period, no doubt. Proficiency and automation do take a bit of time.

But those who can't adapt and be at least competent within a week or two were probably never that good on their main char anyway. Once I complete a week's worth of dueling on my NB and find a build I'm happy with, I don't think you'll find me such an easy adversary to run into in the streets of IC

A good Sorcerer is most likely also a good Nightblade. The two have a lot in common.

And I'm sure 1.7 brings its own equivalent of Dawnbreaker of Smiting.

PainfulFAFA · August 2015

None of these cloaks are gonna get past these defense runes.

JDar · August 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

None of these cloaks are gonna get past these defense runes.

Exactly, and people are always saying, "well how do I encounter invisitability?"

Ghostbane · August 2015

JDar wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

None of these cloaks are gonna get past these defense runes.

Exactly, and people are always saying, "well how do I encounter invisitability?"

/bucketsplash

olsborg · August 2015

Im fairly sure, zos will mess the game up more in a future patch, when they see how cloak is used and how good it will be in IC, they will nerf that too, then they will nerf resource/regens for combat, then nbs and sorcs are stuck with an overly nerfed escape ability with barely half their sustain prethispatchofnerf and the game will be "so much fun"

Soulac · August 2015

olsborg wrote: »

Im fairly sure, zos will mess the game up more in a future patch, when they see how cloak is used and how good it will be in IC, they will nerf that too, then they will nerf resource/regens for combat, then nbs and sorcs are stuck with an overly nerfed escape ability with barely half their sustain prethispatchofnerf and the game will be "so much fun"

Most mobs in IC break cloak and don't lose aggro if you use it.
You can't cloak next to bosses either and most of the ground is covered in Caltrops.
Cloak is strong, but easily countered. Unlike Bolt Escape it doesn't work in over 90% of all cases.

Derra · August 2015

Erondil wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Let them all run nightblades.
It's much easier to kill those than these annoying BoL spamming Templars and DK tanks doing basically nothing.

Those DK and Temp tanks are doing precisely that, nothing. They carry next to 0 threat.

If they outnumber you, you just ignore the big lumbering buffoons and pick easier targets. If you outnumber them, you just have to be patient and pummel them for 30" while they spam heals and block and then collect your TV stones easy peasy.

I call those tanks "Tel Var donors". They just give and give until they got nothing left to give, then you just ignore them :P

True they do nothing thats why I prefer all the NB rerolls. The only thing those new magicka nb noobs will do, is feeding my AP.

I won´t feed you. Promise

tinythinker · August 2015

I've had a magicka NB for a while (last fall) but hardly ever play it. I don't see it being much better off with IC (since I will still be the one playing it), but I won't *not* play it/play it even less just because a bunch of people reroll to whatever they think is going to be easy.

Roselle · August 2015

I am still formulating a plan to be the most annoying player in IC.

Soulac · August 2015

Roselle wrote: »

I am still formulating a plan to be the most annoying player in IC.

First step: master shadow image
Second step: done

Roselle · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Roselle wrote: »

I am still formulating a plan to be the most annoying player in IC.

First step: master shadow image
Second step: done

I think I'm going to be even more annoying than a NB.

Crown · August 2015

krim wrote: »

There really wasnt one thing that NBs were bad at. I always felt like the outcry was way overblown by people who just dont understand why they died.

The challenge in this - as in any game is you have people who will strategize and min/max, and then you have the other 98% of the population. NBs were always "ok" at everything, though it took a great player to make a great NB. Other classes all had an "easy-mode" to be pretty good, whereas NBs had to put more effort into it.

@krim Regarding other games, we're not playing anything else right now. We'll probably mess around with CU when it comes out.

Poxheart · August 2015

krim wrote: »

My only character is a NB, but i have tried many builds out. If you really look at it the NB was the most well rounded class prior to 1.6 even with all the proclaimed things that didnt work.

In 1.5 NBs could
1. High dps in pve
2. 1v1 duels
3. Gank from stealth in 1 to 2 hits
4. 1vX and sustain

There really wasnt one thing that NBs were bad at. I always felt like the outcry was way overblown by people who just dont understand why they died. My NB always felt coherent and fully functional to me no matter what style or build i was playing. There really is only one valid argument and that was the whole stamina build issue but that goes for every class. Its hard to be effective outside of ganking when blocking, dodging, and breaking free all cost stamina. I still believe that all that could have been worked out with minor tweaks and fixes using 1.5 mechanics.

This is the truth. NBs in 1.5 were so much better. The people complaining were the ones who weren't willing to play to the strengths available to the class & wanted it redesigned. I do not enjoy my NB nearly as much now as I did in 1.5...

Ishammael · August 2015

Poxheart wrote: »

krim wrote: »

My only character is a NB, but i have tried many builds out. If you really look at it the NB was the most well rounded class prior to 1.6 even with all the proclaimed things that didnt work.

In 1.5 NBs could
1. High dps in pve
2. 1v1 duels
3. Gank from stealth in 1 to 2 hits
4. 1vX and sustain

There really wasnt one thing that NBs were bad at. I always felt like the outcry was way overblown by people who just dont understand why they died. My NB always felt coherent and fully functional to me no matter what style or build i was playing. There really is only one valid argument and that was the whole stamina build issue but that goes for every class. Its hard to be effective outside of ganking when blocking, dodging, and breaking free all cost stamina. I still believe that all that could have been worked out with minor tweaks and fixes using 1.5 mechanics.

This is the truth. NBs in 1.5 were so much better. The people complaining were the ones who weren't willing to play to the strengths available to the class & wanted it redesigned. I do not enjoy my NB nearly as much now as I did in 1.5...

Ain't this the truth. While I don't play NB the same can easily be said of my DK -- way more enjoyable in 1.5. Also, two of the night blades I played with most, Tikijim and Drako, never really stayed with the game post 1.6 because they didn't like the changes.

Etaniel · August 2015

Ishammael wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

krim wrote: »

My only character is a NB, but i have tried many builds out. If you really look at it the NB was the most well rounded class prior to 1.6 even with all the proclaimed things that didnt work.

In 1.5 NBs could
1. High dps in pve
2. 1v1 duels
3. Gank from stealth in 1 to 2 hits
4. 1vX and sustain

There really wasnt one thing that NBs were bad at. I always felt like the outcry was way overblown by people who just dont understand why they died. My NB always felt coherent and fully functional to me no matter what style or build i was playing. There really is only one valid argument and that was the whole stamina build issue but that goes for every class. Its hard to be effective outside of ganking when blocking, dodging, and breaking free all cost stamina. I still believe that all that could have been worked out with minor tweaks and fixes using 1.5 mechanics.

This is the truth. NBs in 1.5 were so much better. The people complaining were the ones who weren't willing to play to the strengths available to the class & wanted it redesigned. I do not enjoy my NB nearly as much now as I did in 1.5...

Ain't this the truth. While I don't play NB the same can easily be said of my DK -- way more enjoyable in 1.5. Also, two of the night blades I played with most, Tikijim and Drako, never really stayed with the game post 1.6 because they didn't like the changes.

The game changed in so many *** ways, everytime it was because of casuals crying, and ZOS's incompetence in differentiating valid arguments from generic whining.
Prime example flap flap nerf because of people who made 100% ranged builds and expected to be efficient against everything

Talcyndl · August 2015

Jules wrote: »

Why be a DK with no escape, no reliable class gap closer, no range and thus forced into melee where you can't permablock---- when you can freely weave in and out of combat with cloak as a magicka nb?

God I hope ZOS realizes how the current system (spammable shields with bolt or cloak) is going to play out in 1.7.

I know...there's little reason to believe they have a clue.

But hey, I remembered my old level 3 NB last night and he's now level 7 after an hour or so of collecting skyshards. Wonder how Blackwater will be with a few hundred Champion Points?

Shaggygaming · August 2015

Guilty. I leveled NB 1 to vr14 last week and did all the quest in EP. It was brutal but it was the only character I didn't have at max level.

OdinForge · August 2015

Crown wrote: »

A lot of people seem to be missing the most significant counter to stealth: Caltrops.

I've been playing PTS quite a bit and just about every time I'm about to round a corner, a quick caltrops ensures that there's nothing hiding there. If there is, the half second of surprise means I get my rotation off first, and I have yet to find any class that lives more than 3.2 seconds unless blocking, or 4.6 seconds if it's a templar spamming breath.

Etaniel wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

krim wrote: »

My only character is a NB, but i have tried many builds out. If you really look at it the NB was the most well rounded class prior to 1.6 even with all the proclaimed things that didnt work.

In 1.5 NBs could
1. High dps in pve
2. 1v1 duels
3. Gank from stealth in 1 to 2 hits
4. 1vX and sustain

There really wasnt one thing that NBs were bad at. I always felt like the outcry was way overblown by people who just dont understand why they died. My NB always felt coherent and fully functional to me no matter what style or build i was playing. There really is only one valid argument and that was the whole stamina build issue but that goes for every class. Its hard to be effective outside of ganking when blocking, dodging, and breaking free all cost stamina. I still believe that all that could have been worked out with minor tweaks and fixes using 1.5 mechanics.

This is the truth. NBs in 1.5 were so much better. The people complaining were the ones who weren't willing to play to the strengths available to the class & wanted it redesigned. I do not enjoy my NB nearly as much now as I did in 1.5...

Ain't this the truth. While I don't play NB the same can easily be said of my DK -- way more enjoyable in 1.5. Also, two of the night blades I played with most, Tikijim and Drako, never really stayed with the game post 1.6 because they didn't like the changes.

The game changed in so many *** ways, everytime it was because of casuals crying, and ZOS's incompetence in differentiating valid arguments from generic whining.
Prime example flap flap nerf because of people who made 100% ranged builds and expected to be efficient against everything

It's funny to think that back in the day, sparks from DW pretty much entirely negated the DK class and meta for almost the entire year leading up to the 1.6 patch. If these people trying to spam snipe all day would have just looked outside the box to use skills available to them.

Master_Kas · August 2015

OdinForge wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

A lot of people seem to be missing the most significant counter to stealth: Caltrops.

I've been playing PTS quite a bit and just about every time I'm about to round a corner, a quick caltrops ensures that there's nothing hiding there. If there is, the half second of surprise means I get my rotation off first, and I have yet to find any class that lives more than 3.2 seconds unless blocking, or 4.6 seconds if it's a templar spamming breath.

Etaniel wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

krim wrote: »

My only character is a NB, but i have tried many builds out. If you really look at it the NB was the most well rounded class prior to 1.6 even with all the proclaimed things that didnt work.

In 1.5 NBs could
1. High dps in pve
2. 1v1 duels
3. Gank from stealth in 1 to 2 hits
4. 1vX and sustain

There really wasnt one thing that NBs were bad at. I always felt like the outcry was way overblown by people who just dont understand why they died. My NB always felt coherent and fully functional to me no matter what style or build i was playing. There really is only one valid argument and that was the whole stamina build issue but that goes for every class. Its hard to be effective outside of ganking when blocking, dodging, and breaking free all cost stamina. I still believe that all that could have been worked out with minor tweaks and fixes using 1.5 mechanics.

This is the truth. NBs in 1.5 were so much better. The people complaining were the ones who weren't willing to play to the strengths available to the class & wanted it redesigned. I do not enjoy my NB nearly as much now as I did in 1.5...

Ain't this the truth. While I don't play NB the same can easily be said of my DK -- way more enjoyable in 1.5. Also, two of the night blades I played with most, Tikijim and Drako, never really stayed with the game post 1.6 because they didn't like the changes.

The game changed in so many *** ways, everytime it was because of casuals crying, and ZOS's incompetence in differentiating valid arguments from generic whining.
Prime example flap flap nerf because of people who made 100% ranged builds and expected to be efficient against everything

It's funny to think that back in the day, sparks from DW pretty much entirely negated the DK class and meta for almost the entire year leading up to the 1.6 patch. If these people trying to spam snipe all day would have just looked outside the box to use skills available to them.

Oh how I miss sparks. Used it on my magicka melee NB with DW + resto just for all the DK's. Would've worked wonders these days

krim · August 2015

Crown wrote: »

krim wrote: »

There really wasnt one thing that NBs were bad at. I always felt like the outcry was way overblown by people who just dont understand why they died.

The challenge in this - as in any game is you have people who will strategize and min/max, and then you have the other 98% of the population. NBs were always "ok" at everything, though it took a great player to make a great NB. Other classes all had an "easy-mode" to be pretty good, whereas NBs had to put more effort into it.

@krim Regarding other games, we're not playing anything else right now. We'll probably mess around with CU when it comes out.

@Crown See i believe that goes for every class. What i liked about 1.5 was that yes every class could do pretty much the same things. But they all added something different to the fight and actually had crazy synergy. My ideal 4 man group would be a nb, dk, temp, sorc. A group like that with players at the top of their class in the right scenarios is crazy fun.

krim · August 2015

Poxheart wrote: »

krim wrote: »

My only character is a NB, but i have tried many builds out. If you really look at it the NB was the most well rounded class prior to 1.6 even with all the proclaimed things that didnt work.

In 1.5 NBs could
1. High dps in pve
2. 1v1 duels
3. Gank from stealth in 1 to 2 hits
4. 1vX and sustain

There really wasnt one thing that NBs were bad at. I always felt like the outcry was way overblown by people who just dont understand why they died. My NB always felt coherent and fully functional to me no matter what style or build i was playing. There really is only one valid argument and that was the whole stamina build issue but that goes for every class. Its hard to be effective outside of ganking when blocking, dodging, and breaking free all cost stamina. I still believe that all that could have been worked out with minor tweaks and fixes using 1.5 mechanics.

This is the truth. NBs in 1.5 were so much better. The people complaining were the ones who weren't willing to play to the strengths available to the class & wanted it redesigned. I do not enjoy my NB nearly as much now as I did in 1.5...

This is probably the key problem. The people playing NBs wanted to play as a ganker. Which really is playing to its strengths but not always for cyrodiil.

k2blader · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

The combo is strong as long as you fight someone who doesn't react at all.
Lotus Fan triggers a global cooldown, fear does and the ultimate usage as well.
If your enemy doesn't do something in three seconds he deserves to die.
Stun breaks are not always delayed, it's not a special fear side-abilitiy, so he could break free and easily block or dodge your ultimate at least, same for the arrow.

Not sure if lotus fan breaks cloak, but teleport strike and Ambush doesn't, so against most targets it's more useful to stun them with Concealed Weapon and get some off balance dmg-increase.

Good thing that all those new NBs don't know anything about all those combinations or don't know how to use them effectively.
Shadow Image is the best escape mechanic in the game and barely any NB is using it correctly.

Oh man, so many easy points in 1.7.

Just a tip, never cloak next to a boss. Gonna be so funny to see all these NBs trying to escape.

Shadow image is the reason I'm excited about my alt NB. :-)

Poxheart · August 2015

krim wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

krim wrote: »

My only character is a NB, but i have tried many builds out. If you really look at it the NB was the most well rounded class prior to 1.6 even with all the proclaimed things that didnt work.

In 1.5 NBs could
1. High dps in pve
2. 1v1 duels
3. Gank from stealth in 1 to 2 hits
4. 1vX and sustain

There really wasnt one thing that NBs were bad at. I always felt like the outcry was way overblown by people who just dont understand why they died. My NB always felt coherent and fully functional to me no matter what style or build i was playing. There really is only one valid argument and that was the whole stamina build issue but that goes for every class. Its hard to be effective outside of ganking when blocking, dodging, and breaking free all cost stamina. I still believe that all that could have been worked out with minor tweaks and fixes using 1.5 mechanics.

This is the truth. NBs in 1.5 were so much better. The people complaining were the ones who weren't willing to play to the strengths available to the class & wanted it redesigned. I do not enjoy my NB nearly as much now as I did in 1.5...

This is probably the key problem. The people playing NBs wanted to play as a ganker. Which really is playing to its strengths but not always for cyrodiil.

That's the ironic thing. I played a purely gank spec maicka NB & it performed very well. It was the RP NBs that thought they should only wear medium armor & use daggers that QQd the loudest.

JDar · August 2015

That's the ironic thing. I played a purely gank spec maicka NB & it performed very well. It was the RP NBs that thought they should only wear medium armor & use daggers that QQd the loudest.

I'm glad you mentioned RP in regards to nightblades. Most people think of nightblades as a medium armor weapon class, but lorewise they were always more of a mage class, maybe more so even than sorcerers.

For instance, read the Oblivion class description from http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Nightblade_(Oblivion)

"They use melee based blades to further weaken their foes while they dispatch them with their powerful spells of Destruction magic...Claymores are not recommended."

And yet, most NB's are running around with big heavy 2H swords instead of quick light daggers. *shrug* I don't know what I expected though, all the TES games are basically one class: stealth archer.

CN_Daniel · August 2015

Our whole guild basically rolled a mana NB for this update :-) pew pew cloak pew pew cloak. Prepare for the all NB 24 warrior raid!!!

Soulac · August 2015

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Our whole guild basically rolled a mana NB for this update :-) pew pew cloak pew pew cloak. Prepare for the all NB 24 warrior raid!!!

Prepare for 24 Flare Raid.

Erock25 · August 2015

All these people saying Radiant Mage Light and Caltrops don't realize that as a Sorc and with the new super duper stam sorc passives .... I HAVE to slot Bound Armaments on two bars and stack my crap sorc abilities to boooooost my weapon damage! Ain't nobody got room for CALTROPS.

Beedles · August 2015

one NB to rule them ALL! OF COURSE People are rolling NB they are the gods of 1 shot macroing/animation canceling. come and get your free kills lol will be funny to hear all the people loosing their hard earned items to nb 1 shots lol its on pts now and will be there when live GL to those that choose not to be the new gods.

JDar · August 2015

Well I didn't complain to Nintendo when my bug-type pokemon got rekt. That's the game, some classes and builds are going to be weak to others. What do you want a class that is strong against everything else?