hit the DK 5 times then and he is out of Stamina,

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Not sure why they didn't just nerf the skill/passive that allowed DK's to perma-block.

Exactly which skill and passive is this?

How are they able to regen that much stam? I thought they had a passive that grants resources when activating an ultimate which they gained from blocking?

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

How are they able to regen that much stam? I thought they had a passive that grants resources when activating an ultimate which they gained from blocking?

What DKs use to regen so much stam is using regen drinks, but know it won't regen if they block which is kind of problematic.

Counts for other similar builds too, but since it's like almost the only viable build (for mag builds) for DKs they get struck the hardest. Other classes have other options to go as magicka build, without depending that much on blocking.

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Please ZOS just fix block casting, don't nerf all blocking. Block Casting has been a problem since beta, and is the root of so many messed up things in the game.

Why can't they see this?

same reason one of them is currently using the worst sorc skill for pvp (Liquid Lightning) and spamming it like it is actually gonna hurt someone LOL

block casting would be fine if it did reduced damage, does anyone actually object to that

Auricle wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

same reason one of them is currently using the worst sorc skill for pvp (Liquid Lightning) and spamming it like it is actually gonna hurt someone LOL

Maybe they just think it's pretty..?

I feel pretty.


Oh so pretty.

Darnathian wrote: »

Omg will you all please leave dk's alone. Block casting is not a problem. When was the last time you died to a dk. Unbelievable.

Block Casting is the reason DKs got all the nerfs. Rather than just fixing block casting, they decided to nerf a bunch of abilities that were made more powerful... by block casting.

xylena wrote: »

i have 2 characters on live and they are both dks, one magic one stam... i don't want dks nerfed, i don't care if people perma block cast... i want damage output reduced while blocking, because the problem remains that there's no tradeoff between blocking and damage... you get the same spell power on 1h/s that you do on destro staff, except you can keep block up a good 90% of the time taking very little damage and not even worrying about the green bar since pots, CP, and engine guardian have it covered... give it a couple months and you'll see light armor 1h/s facerollers all over the place again, and all the stamina regen nerf will have done is frustrate inexperienced pve tanks

it makes no sense and ruins my immersion that people are able to hit just as hard with their shield up as their shield down

PS the dk passive "elder dragon" that gives 5% health regen per dragon ability slotted is hands down the WORST passive in the game, and now magicka sorcs are getting 10% health regen and 20% stam regen just for having hardened ward on their bar PLEASE REVERT IMMEDIATELY

I got to admit it kinda ruins my immersion too. But we can have both; we could nerf block casting damage by say 75% and also keep the new no stamina regen while casting thing so tanking can be fun and thrilling rather than dull and boring.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom , can we have both or is it too much to ask to have no stamina regen while blocking and also reduce the damage of any abilities used while blocking by something reasonable like 75%?

ZOS is ruining the game by listening to poor scrubs who arent able to play properly and instead of thinking how they can get better they go to the forum and complain, because of that crap we lost awesome an fun things like:
Dynamic Ulti Reg
AoE Caps
Camps
Ground Oils
Softcaps
Elemental wall
but hey instead we got more zergs + champion system

the removal of all dat stuff ruined my immersion aswell, ugly scales haha

xylena wrote: »

still don't understand why the block change targets stamina regen, as opposed to reducing damage output while blocking... that's always been the issue in pvp, not block duration

because its extremly simple to drop blocking for the fraction of a second to be out of the dmg reduction window - wich would mean you would have to apply a long duration window of reduction after blocking wich would primarily hinder those player who play as intended and use blocking situational and not permanently...

Tankqull wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

still don't understand why the block change targets stamina regen, as opposed to reducing damage output while blocking... that's always been the issue in pvp, not block duration

because its extremly simple to drop blocking for the fraction of a second to be out of the dmg reduction window - wich would mean you would have to apply a long duration window of reduction after blocking wich would primarily hinder those player who play as intended and use blocking situational and not permanently...

thats the exact point- it turns block into a situational event. you have to choose normal DPS output or higher survivibility but not both. i have played games with similar mechanics and it can be detrimental to choose poorly between one and the other. i use block situationally while tanking for the most part (yes i have had to use it as a crutch once), and the stamina regen modication does leaps and bounds more harm than a damage reduction while blocking would. if i block for a split second i am out of regen for at least 2 seconds (unless things have changed). that means i may now have to readjust my attributes, change out my current tank skill bars (perhaps completely), change my gear, and relearn tanking as if it were day one (especially if i have to level up and practice with brand new skills), because stamina regen can no longer be as reliably counted on. its worse when there is more than one mob, since if i intend to block one or all, i block them all. it could add up.

the damage reduction essentially FORCES you to drop the shield in order to DPS. now this shouldn't effect taunt, since they uses "force taunt" mechanics, so on the bosses people say require shields be up at all times, they can have at it. they just need to be aware that shields up means DPS down, and that will effect the entire unit with the reduced DPS and change the flow of the event. it may in fact produce a challenge of knowing when is best to drop shields for DPS abilities. it would be the same concept of knowing when to light/heavy attack or use an ability. the only difference is shield up/down replaces light/heavy attack. they may even be forced to pick and choose which ability is for shields up and which are for down. if i have debuffs, i may use them with shields up ignoring their damage potential; if i have a dot i clearly want to make sure to use it shields down.

there is thoroughly no need to extend the damage reduction beyond the point of dropping the shield. if the damage with shields up is reduced enough, you will HAVE to have the shield down at some point to have any effect in combat actions. if you go after any one with shields up, even to just distract them in PVP and you are only putting out (for example) 25% of your maximum damage potential, then at some point you will have to drop the shield to DPS at normal rates, or die from losing stamina to players getting beaten with your foam bat of weakness, while they are operating at maximum damage potential. the system self regulates itself by requiring shields to come down to produce maximum results, as opposed to players just nullifying the effects through gear stacking, ability changes, etc. with the damage reduction large enough, players will ahve to decide if the best course of action is to attack, or guard.

i really don't see the regen modification working like they intend it to. it doesn't seem like a well thought idea and a lot of work invested in an idea, that really just seems like an overall waste of time. they even said in their propaganda nonsense show, that 50% liked it while 50% didn't like it, so its a good idea.... i mean if 51% say its a good idea to jump in the deepest part of the grand canyon without a parachute.... well who is ZoS to argue.... *shrugs*

honestly, its done. they aren't going to change anything so i really don't know that there is a point in this discussion anyways.