Draehl wrote: »

I agree and have said several times it should take 5-6 light attacks to proc, but using the projectile should re-start the original skill buff also. It makes it a little weaker, but gives significantly better combat flow.

5-6 would be perfect as it would be up every time you went to refresh cripple, letting the core of the rotation become:

cripple --> light attack/funnel weave x6 --> merciless resolve --> repeat

Sound good, tough 4 lm should stay in a pvp perspective, doubt anyone will use it anyhow in pvp but maybe with molag keena someone might think it worthwile.

imo

Just make it a long term buff. And it's poor design having to refresh it after using the proc, with time still on the buff.

Totally agree with OP. The same issue appeared already during 1.6 PTS testing. The double click is clunky and effectively halves the DPS.

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

23 k uncrit hits on players is unappealing for you? lol

I actually, really love the skill. I run it as a healer in pvp. Light attack weave with my resto staff as I spam springs, then spot an enemy at or below 75% health....BAM! 1-shot from the healer! Also used it to kill gankers, when I have it up and they try to jump the healer in the back!

As others have stated though, even with the number of light attacks decreased to 4, the skill will not be used for anything more than its 8% dmg buff because of the cast time it takes to launch it and reapply the buff.

Cast and reapply takes me about 1.8-2.5 sec. for 20-30K dmg given its clunkyness. In the same time, I can cast 3 funnel health weaves for 25-35K dmg!

Agreed, its a bit of a hassle that you have to reuse the grim focus right after your arrow is shot, again. Makes the using and refreshing of this a bit clunky.

Personally I'd rather they just made it grant Major Brutality and whatever the equivalent spell damage increase is and forget the silly spectral arrow. It is really hard to get the shot off smoothly in a rotation so I just use it for the stamina and minor buff... either that or have it fire off the spectral arrow automatically after the 4th light attack.

I prefer an auto-proc-mechanic. To activate the proc is more annoying than recast the buff in my opinion.

Kerioko wrote: »

I run a magicka NB and my current primary dps rotation involves the core funnel cripple rotation. The only twist is every time I refresh entropy, I fire off merciless resolve and refresh it (get great use of the might of the guild passive) and it works pretty well in my rotation.

I really like the new change of having it only take 4 light attacks to proc, however, having to recast the ability to allow it to proc again makes using it after every 4th light attack weave an actual dps loss over the way I use it above.

Right now it seems that a majority of the people that use this skill only slot it for the 8% damage buff, and hardly every use the actual damage skill from it!

I think this skill would work a lot better if firing the arrow automatically refreshed the 20 second timer, instead of canceling the skill!

I think this is a good idea. They should also do the same for molten/igneous weapons, if you do a heavy inside the 8 second buff it refreshes. So boring recasting buffs for any class.

This would be a great quality of life improvement. It is currently hard to tell if the double click had worked or been badly timed, and because of the nature of the skill there is not much opportunity to practice with it on normal mobs.

ChefZero wrote: »

I prefer an auto-proc-mechanic. To activate the proc is more annoying than recast the buff in my opinion.

Would it then be optimal to recast immediately after it procs? This could give an interesting choice between casting once every 20 seconds for the buff and one proc per cast, or recasting after the automatic proc to maximise damage.

This is a spike ability and would be OP if it was any easier to implement. Paired with Fear and a Soul harvest into The Arrow you are hitting for 20k without a crit........

To keep it from being OP, I would be happy if it went back to 7 light attacks to proc if it would just reapply the buff upon cast. This would make it useful in a PVE rotation as it would proc at about the same time you want to reapply cripple (every 7-8 sec).

As far as PVP goes, the 4 light attacks still won't cause the ability to get more use from magicka NB's as we don't have the skill slots for it, and most magicka NB's run duel wield on offensive bar for extra damage, meaning we won't want to light attack.

Typical magicka NB already has 8 slots that are pretty mandatory and the other two are full of competition:

4 to maximize cloak:
1- cripple for speed buff, debuff
2 - purge to cleanse piercing mark (and other dots that seem to still pull us out of cloak)
3 - concealed weapon for the stealth speed boost
4 - cloak itself

4 for heals, buffs, and defense:
1 - harness magicka for shield
2 - healing ward for self heal
3 - sap or entropy for major sorcery (and might of the guild when applicable)
4 - fear as our only hard CC (maybe agony now that it is instant)

The other two slots are usually taken up by 2 of the following:
1 - piercing mark - debuff and heal
2 - prox. detonation - burst and AOE
3 - destructive touch - knockback with flame staff
4 - unmorphed ambush - gap closer
5 - double take - defense and mobility
6 - shade - for teleport

If you run destro/resto I can see it possibly getting a little use, but I think the fact you have to take that extra second to reapply it will still cause it to not be used in PVP, when there are other skills more useful for those slots! Like someone said above, you can weave funnel health or concealed weapon a few times to get the same damage in the same amount of time it takes to cause the arrow and reapply the buff!