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EDIT: No Its not the over load exploit.....sadly
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✭✭Alright @ZOS_RyanRuzich , I tested it now on PTS and Live to compare.
I tested on Magelight, Bound Armor, Unstable Familiar and Fire Rune.
Magelight and Bound Armor work the same in all cases. On Live I can activate them on a bar without having them slotted as described in my first post. On PTS, I was not able to replicate this.
I could not activate Unstable Familiar without having it slotted on both servers.
On Live, I can "toggle" the aim mode of Fire Rune and from then on treat it as a toggle - meaning, I can klick the button once, then swap bar and klick it again before the bars are changed, I am then still in aim mode and able to use the Fire Rune on the other bar, where I don't have it slotted.
On PTS, I am able to stay in aim mode, but my (trivial) attempt to actually place the rune without having it slotted, is cancelled instantly. I used that as an assurance that the results for instant toggles were indeed because of a system change, not because of my own failure.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »@OGLezard @ToRelax @Ezareth
Thanks for the steps
On the current PTS build (2.1.2.1200714), given the steps supplied *and* our internal reproduction steps, we failed to reproduce the exploit. Would you be willing to test and see if you can still get the exploit to happen on PTS, and if so, if you had to adjust your procedure to do so? If you do need different steps, could you PM them to me in addition to posting up your results here? Video in addition to the procedure can be helpful if you have the means to gather it
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✭irony
Just nerf the DMG outbut from Overload by 200% so noone will use it and you should be fine.
Problem solved
over and out
/irnoy
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OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭@ZOS_RyanRuzich I am able to replicate this exploit all day long with no issues on live........ I can do it just from muscle memory..... without even thinking about it. PTS.......doesnt work.....
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NOW, can you guys get rid of the mist form exploit that people are using on live (cant say who but will send videos if you wish) that allows them to mitigate 97.5% damage without ever using mist form.......
Incase I have not said it, thank you!!!!!!! I love seeing exploits finally being fixed!! Keep up this pace!0 -
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✭DeanTheCat wrote: »I wonder, if fixing this exploit is not possible by "Conventional" means, how about adding a 0.5 second cast time to Magelight and Bound Armor? These abilities are not likely to be toggled/cast while in combat, and they are usually done out of combat before entering battle, where skills having a cast time does not matter. Thus a cast time will have little to no effect on the actual legitimate usage of the abilities in combat, while preventing the Overload bar exploit.
There may be some complaints from people who toggle Magelight for the Might of the Guild empower bonus, but wasn't that removed in 2.1 to stop massive snipe damage? Therefore, there would be no reason to toggle a Magelight in combat. Please correct me if I'm wrong regarding the relationship between MotG and Magelight.
@DeanTheCat you cant do it no more on pts
I will continue to try, but so far it is impossible
irony
Just nerf the DMG outbut from Overload by 200% so noone will use it and you should be fine.
Problem solved
over and out
/irnoy
@BuggeX the exploit is no longer possible by traditional means which is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!! Lets see if those who needed this junk to be decent can figure out another way :P sorry to those who relied heavily on this exploit (and others) to be good. Guess you have to l2p normal now huh Edited by OGLezard on August 24, 2015 12:17PM0 -
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NOW, can you guys get rid of the mist form exploit that people are using on live (cant say who but will send videos if you wish) that allows them to mitigate 97.5% damage without ever using mist form.......
@OGLezard - If you, or anyone else, has reproduction steps, we'd be happy to take a look.... but it appears a slight global cooldown was added to the power overload change states that was enough to prevent you from toggling magelight on.
@Ezareth - Just to clarify, no global cooldown was added as it was a pure code fix. If you're seeing "hitching" or something else, could you make a video or reproduction steps so that we can investigate?Ryan Ruzich
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Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »
NOW, can you guys get rid of the mist form exploit that people are using on live (cant say who but will send videos if you wish) that allows them to mitigate 97.5% damage without ever using mist form.......
@OGLezard - If you, or anyone else, has reproduction steps, we'd be happy to take a look.... but it appears a slight global cooldown was added to the power overload change states that was enough to prevent you from toggling magelight on.
@Ezareth - Just to clarify, no global cooldown was added as it was a pure code fix. If you're seeing "hitching" or something else, could you make a video or reproduction steps so that we can investigate?
@ZOS_RyanRuzich
That is good to hear. It seemed on live the power overload cycle was much more "smooth" or that I could cycle it on and then cast without waiting. On test it almost seems as though the power overload toggle is treated as a "cast" with a GCD with a slight wait before I could cast a spell. It could just be in my head however and I'm glad to hear you guys were able to fix this one the right way.
Ohh and while I have your attention I should mention I discovered that the 1H + Shield passive "Deflect Bolts" is only providing 14% Bonus mitigation on projectiles (exactly) instead of 15% like the tooltip reads.
Great work and way to step it up on fixing these bugs on this patch!Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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ZOS_RyanRuzich✭✭✭Ohh and while I have your attention I should mention I discovered that the 1H + Shield passive "Deflect Bolts" is only providing 14% Bonus mitigation on projectiles (exactly) instead of 15% like the tooltip reads.
@Ezareth
We'll look into it and try to reproduce. Given the timing..it will probably have to be fixed in an incremental and not with the Imperial City update. No promises on timing either way, but we'll verify it, and if it's an issue, get it in the queue.
Ryan Ruzich
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Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ZOS_RyanRuzich wrote: »Ohh and while I have your attention I should mention I discovered that the 1H + Shield passive "Deflect Bolts" is only providing 14% Bonus mitigation on projectiles (exactly) instead of 15% like the tooltip reads.
@Ezareth
We'll look into it and try to reproduce. Given the timing..it will probably have to be fixed in an incremental and not with the Imperial City update. No promises on timing either way, but we'll verify it, and if it's an issue, get it in the queue.
@ZOS_RyanRuzich
FYI: for some reason when you tag our names we don't get a notification.. Must be a bug or feature in the vanilla forum code.
Here is my test data showing the bug that should easily demonstrate the deflect bolts issue:
All block increasing modifiers are multiplicative with the base 50% block percentage and are *additive* with each other.
Base Projectile attack unblocked on player with 1hand and shield : 1386
Block with Sword and Shield (20% Sword and Board + 14%Deflect Bolt passives) :457
(67% Mitigation = 50% * (20%+14%)
Block with Sword and Shield with Defensive Stance Slotted - (20% + 14% + 8% Defensive Stance): 402
(71% Mitigation = 50% * (20%+14%+8%)
Block with Sword and Shield with Defensive Stance Slotted wearing Cyrodiil's Ward 5PC (Same Armor values as previous set equipped) - (20% + 14% + 8% + 12% Cyrodiil's Ward): 319
(77% Mitigation = 50% * (20% + 14% + 8% + 12%)
You can easily identify by these numbers that Deflect bolts (2/2) is providing 14% instead of 15% as it reads. I didn't test with 1/2 in the passive but that is likely bugged as well since it reads as 8% for the first point instead of 7%.
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✭@ZOS_RyanRuzich I am able to replicate this exploit all day long with no issues on live........ I can do it just from muscle memory..... without even thinking about it. PTS.......doesnt work.....
NOW, can you guys get rid of the mist form exploit that people are using on live (cant say who but will send videos if you wish) that allows them to mitigate 97.5% damage without ever using mist form.......
Incase I have not said it, thank you!!!!!!! I love seeing exploits finally being fixed!! Keep up this pace!
This needs a hotfix ASAP. We shouldn't have to wait for a DLC 4 months away for something like this one.NA Server - Kildair0
