Drinks or Food?

cerrudo33 · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

They don't need a buff, they just need to be usable in tandem with food then all is well...

Would make provisioning a truly useful master craft at that point and worth tracking down all the recipes and mats

Thymos · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

UrQuan wrote: »

Um guys, this is a necro'd thread that is over a year old. In the time since then the system has been changed so that there are no longer softcaps. That change alone, let alone any other things that have changed in the meantime, means that any results of the poll are going to be invalid, because who knows whether any of the people who voted over a year ago would vote differently today with the system so different.

And we instruct people on how to use the search function, but get upset when someone does and makes a post without realizing how old the thread really is.

UrQuan · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

Thymos wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Um guys, this is a necro'd thread that is over a year old. In the time since then the system has been changed so that there are no longer softcaps. That change alone, let alone any other things that have changed in the meantime, means that any results of the poll are going to be invalid, because who knows whether any of the people who voted over a year ago would vote differently today with the system so different.

And we instruct people on how to use the search function, but get upset when someone does and makes a post without realizing how old the thread really is.

OK, 2 things here:

The search function is great, as long as the thread it brings up isn't old enough to no longer be relevant
The guy who necro'd this thread knew it was a necro that was over a year old (he commented on that in his post), it's the subsequent posters who obviously didn't notice that and were posting and voting in the poll as if this particular poll was still valid

Sheesh...

Thymos · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

Not sure why you think the OP is no longer relevant. Seems relevant now as it did then.

It's merely polling people's opinions on the matter. Other posters brought up the ideas of soft caps.

The guy who necro'd this thread also felt that this thread was still relevant.

This thread is still valid, and just saying it's invalid doesn't really make it so in an open forum. There is a report function, and if you truly feel this is an invalid discussion, then feel free to use it.

Kammakazi · August 2015

If I want to be an *** who can never be caught, I'll use drinks.

MikeB · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

Drinks are useless.

Gidorick · August 2015

At one point I could have sworn they were going to allow food and drink to stack. Too bad that never happened

Acrolas · August 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

At one point I could have sworn they were going to allow food and drink to stack. Too bad that never happened

Food/drink stacking was something they suggested from the beginning of the revision, something most people liked, and the one thing from their list they decided not to do.

Somewhere, there's a forum bard singing, 'that was the day positive feedback died.'

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/119265/provisioning-revamp/p1

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

WebBull wrote: »

Drink for regen in PvP.

Yea with how pvp is you die before the recovery can even work.

SirAndy · August 2015

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

Drinks or Food?

Yes!

Timeetyo · August 2015

Drink for improved sustainability

Drink for now add I'm a tank. Likely will switch to food next patch

newtinmpls · August 2015

Yes I know this is a necro (was a necro)

Don't care.

Young people nowadays - no stamina.

Anyway I go back and forth between food or drink depending on how things are going. I tend more toward food at higher levels (the 1-shotting is worse) but it's a trend not a certainty.

Moonshadow66 · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

Gidorick wrote: »

At one point I could have sworn they were going to allow food and drink to stack. Too bad that never happened

So I'm not alone with this, I could have sworn, too..
I vaguely remember testing it after a certain update but it didn't work, and still doesn't. That's really too bad.

Moonshadow66 · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

starkerealm wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Um guys, this is a necro'd thread that is over a year old. In the time since then the system has been changed so that there are no longer softcaps. That change alone, let alone any other things that have changed in the meantime, means that any results of the poll are going to be invalid, because who knows whether any of the people who voted over a year ago would vote differently today with the system so different.

The first warning was seeing Neravarine1138 and his Guar avatar.

Hehe, I'm smiling about how you used the word "warning" in this sentence

Inactive Account · August 2015

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I can't vote because there's no "Depends on the situation" option.

If I'm in a group, I'll sooner use drink buffs before food buffs. Especially if there's a rather good healer in the group.

Similar point for me..... it Depends.

It Depends on what build I am currently using....

What gear I have on, and their set bonuses.
What enchants I have on my gear and weapons.
If I am in PvP or PvE

UrQuan · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

Thymos wrote: »

Not sure why you think the OP is no longer relevant. Seems relevant now as it did then.

It's merely polling people's opinions on the matter. Other posters brought up the ideas of soft caps.

The guy who necro'd this thread also felt that this thread was still relevant.

This thread is still valid, and just saying it's invalid doesn't really make it so in an open forum. There is a report function, and if you truly feel this is an invalid discussion, then feel free to use it.

It's no longer valid because people voted on it based on a system that has fundamentally changed in the intervening year+, and some (impossible to know how many) of those votes over a year ago were based on game mechanics that no longer exist (such as soft caps to regeneration) - some of which were specifically changed by ZOS in order to make drinks more attractive. A brand new poll on the topic would be relevant. If everyone who voted on this poll over a year ago was able to go back and edit their votes based on the differences in gameplay it would be relevant.

As it is, this thread is effectively combining the results of 2 different questions. It's a little like if you were to ask a bunch of lenders in the early 1980s (when mortgage rates were 17-18%) if they thought rates would go up or down in the next 5 years, and then asking the same question today, and combining the results of the 2 polls to try to come up with a picture of which way it's going now. It's fundamentally flawed.

Acrolas · August 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

As it is, this thread is effectively combining the results of 2 different questions. It's a little like if you were to ask a bunch of lenders in the early 1980s (when mortgage rates were 17-18%) if they thought rates would go up or down in the next 5 years, and then asking the same question today, and combining the results of the 2 polls to try to come up with a picture of which way it's going now. It's fundamentally flawed.

Not so much because of the question, though, but because of recency bias.

But food is always going to win this poll, even if drink were more competitive. Because you don't immediately see the effects of a drink the way you see the size of your bars increase when you eat food. For most people, that visual cue is enough to make food feel more satisfying than drink.

So basically they'll never be seen as equals and they should just stack already.

BuggeX · August 2015

Drink for improved sustainability

I prefer Drinks over Food.

I played Long time with Food in PVP, but somehow i find Drinks better

GreenSoup2HoT · August 2015

I use drink's at the moment, im a stam nb. I have so much weapon damage as it is, if i didn't use the drink i would have to wait an eternity to regen my resource's after a successful gank.

I use food time to time to experiment with damage but i always end up needing more recovery to re-engage.

Sausage · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

Im food guy myself, but arent they going to buff Drinks in IC or soon.

Thymos · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

UrQuan wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

Not sure why you think the OP is no longer relevant. Seems relevant now as it did then.

It's merely polling people's opinions on the matter. Other posters brought up the ideas of soft caps.

The guy who necro'd this thread also felt that this thread was still relevant.

This thread is still valid, and just saying it's invalid doesn't really make it so in an open forum. There is a report function, and if you truly feel this is an invalid discussion, then feel free to use it.

It's no longer valid because people voted on it based on a system that has fundamentally changed in the intervening year+, and some (impossible to know how many) of those votes over a year ago were based on game mechanics that no longer exist (such as soft caps to regeneration) - some of which were specifically changed by ZOS in order to make drinks more attractive. A brand new poll on the topic would be relevant. If everyone who voted on this poll over a year ago was able to go back and edit their votes based on the differences in gameplay it would be relevant.

As it is, this thread is effectively combining the results of 2 different questions. It's a little like if you were to ask a bunch of lenders in the early 1980s (when mortgage rates were 17-18%) if they thought rates would go up or down in the next 5 years, and then asking the same question today, and combining the results of the 2 polls to try to come up with a picture of which way it's going now. It's fundamentally flawed.

You're sure stopping it.

I think the results are pretty much the same today as they were before. Do you prefer the food buffs for bonus damage and such, or do you prefer the drink buffs for sustainability?

As for the exact numbers, I don't find them relevant to a simple question, regardless of mechanic changes. You would think that more people would've voted drink, because of the original soft-cap mechanic, as boosting the actual stat pools were a lot easier to do with gear and enchantments, while the regen was harder to get up as it was limited to some skills or set bonuses.

Ommy71 · August 2015

Food in pve, drink in pvp.

Preyfar · August 2015

Drink for improved sustainability

PVE = Food
PVP = Drink

ContraTempo · August 2015

When I have found drink useful was with a group that wanted to run through dungeons as fast as they could go. Fast recovery matters there. Otherwise, as the math shows, food of an equivalent level works out better for the length of time we will be in combat.

Muizer · August 2015

Drink for improved sustainability

Prefer drinks these days. Regen enchants got nerfed to bits a while ago, so if you want anything in that dept, it's got to be drinks.

Surragard · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

UrQuan wrote: »

Um guys, this is a necro'd thread that is over a year old. In the time since then the system has been changed so that there are no longer softcaps. That change alone, let alone any other things that have changed in the meantime, means that any results of the poll are going to be invalid, because who knows whether any of the people who voted over a year ago would vote differently today with the system so different.

You're ruining all the fun! Food is 1337!

Thymos · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

Muizer wrote: »

Prefer drinks these days. Regen enchants got nerfed to bits a while ago, so if you want anything in that dept, it's got to be drinks.

That was sad... but I do remember. We only get 3 jewelry slots, while we get 7 armor slots. Of course it is easier to get more max stats, vs. regen.

starkerealm · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

At one point I could have sworn they were going to allow food and drink to stack. Too bad that never happened

So I'm not alone with this, I could have sworn, too..
I vaguely remember testing it after a certain update but it didn't work, and still doesn't. That's really too bad.

Back before 1.6, they were testing the idea of allowing both food and drink buffs at the same time. I don't remember that ever making it to the PTS, and it got scrapped before going to live. Instead, they buffed the regen rate on the drinks substantially.

nimander99 · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

Food, followed by a swig of EXP potion to wash it down

"What's Dead may NEVER DIE!"

Hypertionb14_ESO · August 2015

Food for bonus damage and pools

when i made this topic, it was pretty much food for every purpose..

atm tho its Drink for Healers and tanks, Food for DPS..

with some exceptions of course.

in fact PvP sees Drinks being almost universally better for most uses save for Sorcs who want to max out their shields.