NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Drake_Fury wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Drake_Fury wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

The best teams on battlefield use.group tactics and mics.

Which is why I pointed at battlefield being an exception.

mrskinskull wrote: »

I love to leave area chat on and wander by the discussions.

Character build discussions, sales of items etc. Sometimes people will have questions, or need a hand with something and I just help out. The best part about area chat is that I don't always get to help before someone else offers.

I agree, helping the random people is fun. When I have time to lose I like to answer the questions I can. But then again, you can do the very same thing with text.

mrskinskull wrote: »

If you are the kind of person who can't tolerate other people being randomly rude or antagonizing, how would it be different with text chat?

People with soft skin would just have to turn two things off at the start of each game session.

I really don't know where you get that from my post. I never complained about anyone being rude or anything. Although hearing someone playing rap so loud the entire area hears it always gives me the urge to put on some very loud Dream Theater so that they hear what music really is...

Wanting to play with a guild has nothing to do with not wanting to play with other people. I meet people everyday and my friend list is always getting bigger. Wanting to play with a guild is more axed towards: I need to farm crypt of hearts and city of ash veteran on VR12+ to get some pieces of gear, and don't want to lose my time with a tank wearing full medium armor, a healer who can't stay out of red circles or a DPS who did not spend the required time to get some gear that fits his role or level.

I play with my friends because I know them. I know they won't rage quit after a few wipes. I know they know their jobs because I have seen them play. The hard instances require skill and cooperation, as well as gear. When I play with my friends, I know that they have what it takes, if I take a random group, I have no idea. Maybe they will be very good, maybe not.

As to how text chat would make it diferent about rude or antagonizing people, /ignore. I prefer by far having a line of text coming every 10 seconds that I can ignore, than having a guy repeat in my ear every 10 seconds, which I can't ignore. Gold spammers, I would add to ignore list so I know I wouldn't have to deal with them again.

I think you replied without even reading the post I made, because seriously, the first time I read your reply, if it wasn't about the battlefield reference, I would've thought you replied to the wrong person...

I have people who try to send me text messages in battlefield. Text is too slow and ends up aggravating the rest of the voice chat using team. I know the same thing will happen in dungeons or PvP here.

No,

If you are willing to cherry pick your typed ignores in text chat, you could do the same exact thing in voice chat.

Or leave voice area chat and just listen to your group or guild.

Ignoring people on an ala carte basis can already be done in voice chat so why waste all that dev revenue just so you can type ignore rather than press the ignore option?

What ignore option? You mean the one of the console? The one limited to what, 30 people? The one that could for some people be aleready full when they start playing ESO? Nah, really, an mmo needs an ingame unlimited ignore feature.

About Battlefield, you seem to not understand the difference between an mmo and a shooter, and even less the difference between "middle of action" and "standing in town". Of course comms in a shooter need to be in real time, and it's the same in dungeons, as to why I would never say to remove the voice chat, as bad as it can be, it's still very useful. This isn't a game where you have a 15 minute game, and then you start another, with all different people for another 15 min, and so on.

Money put in good communication is money well spent. It's money that will ensure longevity, it will ensure that players will stay longer, as we can all see that most, if not all, reviews about the game state the communications as a flaw. Also, the devs who are working on UI are not the same team who are working on your new content, they're different teams, just like how the graphic designs team is not the same as the combat mechanics team. And so the time spent on making text a possibility will not delay the coming of expansions, because it can be done in parallel. The money they would pay to UI devs is all going to be returned by players coming back or staying longer than they do now.

Another thing, why would I want to leave area chat? It's the only way to know what's going on outside my group. If I leave it, I don't see, and it's aleready bad that it's not covering the whole area, but it wouldn't work, waaaaay too many people who would start talking over each other, like it is aleready teh case in populated towns, but worse. With text, it's not a problem, because everything is clear, you have the name of the guy, and what he said, not a mix of 10 voices which you must then try to figure out which of the 4 names on your screen goes with which voice...

Don't you see the numbers decreasing every day? Don't you have ghost guilds since more than 50% of the players left? Well I have 4 of them, and that's because my 5th one is brand new, otherwise I'm sure they would all be like this.

Your solution for not hearing annoying people is cutting all communication outside the group... How am I supposed to think you are not trolling when you say stuff like that? I've stated it a lot of times, and I keep doing it, communication the THE most important thing in an mmo. I have no intention of cutting any communication. In fact I want more, I want to be able to see proximity chat, area wide chat, guild chat and party chat ALL AT THE SAME TIME so I can pick the discussion I'm part of or participate in 2 or 3 different conversations at the same time. Talking to group chat but knowing when people on guild prepare a raid, or if someone wants to buy something I own in a guild where I don't normally chat since it's just there to sell and buy stuff.

This is all basic, in every mmo. Some even go larger than that and have region chat, covering 3-4 areas. It has only benefits. The only Cons you can come up with are the spam and the time it takes to type, which are non-issues because when you use text, it's normally while you have time to do it. I would give everything to have quiet towns with just a list of text in the corner of my screen, which I can scroll and find only the info that interests me and skip what doesn't... Right now if someone "spams" voice chat, I hear him again and again, if it's just a line of text I end up not seeing it anymore because I don't pay attention to reapeated lines if they're not what I'm looking for. The guy reapeating in my ears though, prevents me from clearly hearing what others would say that would really interest me.

<player1> Hey, I'm looking for a DPS for vet daily
<groupplayerX(in group chat)> I'm still looking for a tank, know any?
<player2> Selling Imperial motif 30k
<player3> Anybody wants to group? lvl 18
<player4> Hey player1, i'm interested!
<me(in group chat)> Hold on
<player2> Selling Imperial motif 30k
<player2> Selling Imperial motif 30k
<me (in guild chat1)> Any tank for vet daily?
<player1> Sorry player4, we just filled ; ;
<player2> Selling Imperial motif 30k
<player4> allright np, have fun!
<guildmemberY (in guild chat)> Sure i'll go
<player5> Yo player3, need a tank?
<player2> Selling Imperial motif 30k
<me(in group chat)> Got 1, invite guildmemberY
<groupplayerX(in group chat)> awesome!
<player2> Selling imperial motif 30k

See here, even though player2 really wants to sell his motif, you can clearly follow all 5 converations without a fuss. It's also very easy not to pay attention to player2's message, since it repeats so much that you can easily filter it out with your eyes. Now if everyone was talking instead, this could become very messy... Also i'm sure more people would see this text than people who would hear it, since most people just turn off area voice chat the minute they log on.

Then it seems that you've chosen the wrong platform.
Xbox does off muting of an unlimited number of people.
If Ps4 doesn't....complain to Sony

Text chat window is on PC...it's not coming to Xbox one and PS4 based on what was shared

Perhaps other text forms of communication are up for consideration but "text chat" is already on all consoles outside of the game.

It is what it is

Starlightz85 wrote: »

I've been playing about a month now, but haven't touched the game in days since one particular thing made me lose all desire to play. It was a horrible experience that made me realize this is the most inferior MMO on the market where getting a dungeon group together is concerned. My hope is that there is something I overlooked.

Basically I went to do my first group dungeon after reaching level 12. I went to group finder and it put me in queue. After queue was done I get paired with 3 other players. Here are where the issues begin:

I expected us to be taken to the dungeon and a healer to be in the party. So after the queue, I see a message that the party leader must queue us for a dungeon. Okay, so we waited and waited and nothing. After about 3 minutes I get a teleport notice asking me if I want to be taken to where party leader is. It takes me to Vulkul Guard. Now I can see the life bars of all party members in top left. To my confusion and bewilderment it showed our PSN IDs and not our character names. Seriously?? That makes no sense and breaks immersion. I hate my PSN name and would change it if Sony provided that option. Every MMO I have ever played, even on console, shows your character name, not your PSN ID, Curse ID, or whatever other ID that is not character name. The issues get worse. After being teleported to same place as party leader, I'm standing there for at least 5 minutes waiting for party leader to queue us up, then all of a sudden one of the other non-leader party members says on mic "Are you guys coming?" I'm confused not understanding what he is saying because we are here and just waiting on leader. I don't have a mic to reply to him. Then after a few more minutes of waiting I check map and see that one of us is at the dungeon location. That's when I discover you have to manually go to the dungeon and that there's a free teleport option. If so then why in the world did it say party leader has to queue us for dungeon if we have to walk there manually. That's not queuing, that's going there and entering like you would any solo dungeon. So myself and one other member are now in the dungeon and we end up waiting a good 15 minutes before the others figure out what I figured out about having to travel to dungeon. Eventually once we're all there, it turns out no one is a healer. After making it to first boss, one person left, and we went outside the dungeon to try and find a healer. But lo and behold there is no in-game text chat to shout for a healer, so LFM healer is out of the question. You have to hope a person standing near the dungeon happens to be a healer and invite them. After inviting someone it turns out they are not a healer. So we tried advancing without one, but could not beat the first boss. We came close on one attempt. We had to leave and repair twice and a few of us decided to abandon because the repair costs were crazy. Just 2 or 3 attempts of the boss and gear is already halfway down in durability. The whole thing was a nightmare and an hour wasted. I haven't touched the game since. If there's a way to solve this issue, I'll continue playing. Otherwise I'll be moving on.

Is there a way to display character name instead of PSN ID? What does it show for computer players?
Is there a way to find a healer besides hoping one just happens to be standing around outside of a dungeon?

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Drake_Fury wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Drake_Fury wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

The best teams on battlefield use.group tactics and mics.

Which is why I pointed at battlefield being an exception.

mrskinskull wrote: »

I love to leave area chat on and wander by the discussions.

Character build discussions, sales of items etc. Sometimes people will have questions, or need a hand with something and I just help out. The best part about area chat is that I don't always get to help before someone else offers.

I agree, helping the random people is fun. When I have time to lose I like to answer the questions I can. But then again, you can do the very same thing with text.

mrskinskull wrote: »

If you are the kind of person who can't tolerate other people being randomly rude or antagonizing, how would it be different with text chat?

People with soft skin would just have to turn two things off at the start of each game session.

I really don't know where you get that from my post. I never complained about anyone being rude or anything. Although hearing someone playing rap so loud the entire area hears it always gives me the urge to put on some very loud Dream Theater so that they hear what music really is...

Wanting to play with a guild has nothing to do with not wanting to play with other people. I meet people everyday and my friend list is always getting bigger. Wanting to play with a guild is more axed towards: I need to farm crypt of hearts and city of ash veteran on VR12+ to get some pieces of gear, and don't want to lose my time with a tank wearing full medium armor, a healer who can't stay out of red circles or a DPS who did not spend the required time to get some gear that fits his role or level.

I play with my friends because I know them. I know they won't rage quit after a few wipes. I know they know their jobs because I have seen them play. The hard instances require skill and cooperation, as well as gear. When I play with my friends, I know that they have what it takes, if I take a random group, I have no idea. Maybe they will be very good, maybe not.

As to how text chat would make it diferent about rude or antagonizing people, /ignore. I prefer by far having a line of text coming every 10 seconds that I can ignore, than having a guy repeat in my ear every 10 seconds, which I can't ignore. Gold spammers, I would add to ignore list so I know I wouldn't have to deal with them again.

I think you replied without even reading the post I made, because seriously, the first time I read your reply, if it wasn't about the battlefield reference, I would've thought you replied to the wrong person...

I have people who try to send me text messages in battlefield. Text is too slow and ends up aggravating the rest of the voice chat using team. I know the same thing will happen in dungeons or PvP here.

No,

If you are willing to cherry pick your typed ignores in text chat, you could do the same exact thing in voice chat.

Or leave voice area chat and just listen to your group or guild.

Ignoring people on an ala carte basis can already be done in voice chat so why waste all that dev revenue just so you can type ignore rather than press the ignore option?

What ignore option? You mean the one of the console? The one limited to what, 30 people? The one that could for some people be aleready full when they start playing ESO? Nah, really, an mmo needs an ingame unlimited ignore feature.

About Battlefield, you seem to not understand the difference between an mmo and a shooter, and even less the difference between "middle of action" and "standing in town". Of course comms in a shooter need to be in real time, and it's the same in dungeons, as to why I would never say to remove the voice chat, as bad as it can be, it's still very useful. This isn't a game where you have a 15 minute game, and then you start another, with all different people for another 15 min, and so on.

Money put in good communication is money well spent. It's money that will ensure longevity, it will ensure that players will stay longer, as we can all see that most, if not all, reviews about the game state the communications as a flaw. Also, the devs who are working on UI are not the same team who are working on your new content, they're different teams, just like how the graphic designs team is not the same as the combat mechanics team. And so the time spent on making text a possibility will not delay the coming of expansions, because it can be done in parallel. The money they would pay to UI devs is all going to be returned by players coming back or staying longer than they do now.

Another thing, why would I want to leave area chat? It's the only way to know what's going on outside my group. If I leave it, I don't see, and it's aleready bad that it's not covering the whole area, but it wouldn't work, waaaaay too many people who would start talking over each other, like it is aleready teh case in populated towns, but worse. With text, it's not a problem, because everything is clear, you have the name of the guy, and what he said, not a mix of 10 voices which you must then try to figure out which of the 4 names on your screen goes with which voice...

Don't you see the numbers decreasing every day? Don't you have ghost guilds since more than 50% of the players left? Well I have 4 of them, and that's because my 5th one is brand new, otherwise I'm sure they would all be like this.

Your solution for not hearing annoying people is cutting all communication outside the group... How am I supposed to think you are not trolling when you say stuff like that? I've stated it a lot of times, and I keep doing it, communication the THE most important thing in an mmo. I have no intention of cutting any communication. In fact I want more, I want to be able to see proximity chat, area wide chat, guild chat and party chat ALL AT THE SAME TIME so I can pick the discussion I'm part of or participate in 2 or 3 different conversations at the same time. Talking to group chat but knowing when people on guild prepare a raid, or if someone wants to buy something I own in a guild where I don't normally chat since it's just there to sell and buy stuff.

This is all basic, in every mmo. Some even go larger than that and have region chat, covering 3-4 areas. It has only benefits. The only Cons you can come up with are the spam and the time it takes to type, which are non-issues because when you use text, it's normally while you have time to do it. I would give everything to have quiet towns with just a list of text in the corner of my screen, which I can scroll and find only the info that interests me and skip what doesn't... Right now if someone "spams" voice chat, I hear him again and again, if it's just a line of text I end up not seeing it anymore because I don't pay attention to reapeated lines if they're not what I'm looking for. The guy reapeating in my ears though, prevents me from clearly hearing what others would say that would really interest me.

<player1> Hey, I'm looking for a DPS for vet daily
<groupplayerX(in group chat)> I'm still looking for a tank, know any?
<player2> Selling Imperial motif 30k
<player3> Anybody wants to group? lvl 18
<player4> Hey player1, i'm interested!
<me(in group chat)> Hold on
<player2> Selling Imperial motif 30k
<player2> Selling Imperial motif 30k
<me (in guild chat1)> Any tank for vet daily?
<player1> Sorry player4, we just filled ; ;
<player2> Selling Imperial motif 30k
<player4> allright np, have fun!
<guildmemberY (in guild chat)> Sure i'll go
<player5> Yo player3, need a tank?
<player2> Selling Imperial motif 30k
<me(in group chat)> Got 1, invite guildmemberY
<groupplayerX(in group chat)> awesome!
<player2> Selling imperial motif 30k

See here, even though player2 really wants to sell his motif, you can clearly follow all 5 converations without a fuss. It's also very easy not to pay attention to player2's message, since it repeats so much that you can easily filter it out with your eyes. Now if everyone was talking instead, this could become very messy... Also i'm sure more people would see this text than people who would hear it, since most people just turn off area voice chat the minute they log on.

Then it seems that you've chosen the wrong platform.
Xbox does off muting of an unlimited number of people.
If Ps4 doesn't....complain to Sony

Text chat window is on PC...it's not coming to Xbox one and PS4 based on what was shared

Perhaps other text forms of communication are up for consideration but "text chat" is already on all consoles outside of the game.

It is what it is

Eshelmen wrote: »

Well it's not like they can't add it or don't know how too.

At some point down the road, regardless of what any one says,
a more efficient tool/way for communicating will have to be implemented. This is a no brainer.

What works for those now, may not and surely doesn't work for everyone.
Which cripples this mmos potential and future on consoles.

If you have X amount of players and only Y amount can fully utilize the game, you'll lose popularity very fast, due to lack of knowledge, community, and a lot more.
It's pretty simple to understand.

I mean, ZOS added some of the worst emotes Ive ever seen in mmos, period. None of them are very effective, other than yes or no. ZOS can't even add custom emotes? Come on, that's ridiculous.

They must update this and they must add easier ways to group up without waiting for guildies and they must add a better way of communicating trade,sales, invites and more, instead of having to spam the voice channel to get what you want.

Anyone who disagrees with me here is either stubborn, in denial or just trolling.
If you can honestly say that ESO on consoles does everything correctly in terms of setting up groups, dungeons, trades, sales, guild chat, then you are seriously misinformed on the true potential certain additions can bring to the game.

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Wow over a hundred voted no. Really people.

Ya to hell with the people who are disabled and cant use the current system huh?

Ive served and have major hearing loss due to multiple IED attacks. So the voice chat really doesnt work for me and others with similar disabilities.

mrskinskull wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Wow over a hundred voted no. Really people.

Ya to hell with the people who are disabled and cant use the current system huh?

Ive served and have major hearing loss due to multiple IED attacks. So the voice chat really doesnt work for me and others with similar disabilities.

Thanks for your service.

Playing on console s may be tough if you require text.

Text is simply not as popular with the console crowd as it is with the keyboard cowboys of the PC..

I would like to see you stay here on console, but through the favoring of a keyboard as an input device on PC, more games accommodate.

On console, mics and controllers are the mass market, and companies lose revenue when trying to implement a peripheral for a niche audience.

I really don't know why console game developers don't bother more with niche peripheral programing.

I mean everything was better with kinect, right? What all those smash hits the PlayStation move had?

Then their was that much game that came with a 200 *** controller, everyone bought that thing, huh?

I know many people play on PC so much they cant think of a keyboard in the same bargain bin as a kinect, but if a console product doesn't hit the mass market, I wouldn't hold out hope for kinect support.

Cheers.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

It's much easier to just talk to others on console.
Trying to add in another window and also require another peripherial isn't a logical approach when nothing is wrong with what exists.

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

It's much easier to just talk to others on console.
Trying to add in another window and also require another peripherial isn't a logical approach when nothing is wrong with what exists.

Nothing is wrong with what exists, except the fact that it doesnt work. There is no voice zone chat, and can not monitor and participate in multiple conversations simultaneously.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Wow over a hundred voted no. Really people.

Ya to hell with the people who are disabled and cant use the current system huh?

Ive served and have major hearing loss due to multiple IED attacks. So the voice chat really doesnt work for me and others with similar disabilities.

Thanks for your service.

Playing on console s may be tough if you require text.

Text is simply not as popular with the console crowd as it is with the keyboard cowboys of the PC..

I would like to see you stay here on console, but through the favoring of a keyboard as an input device on PC, more games accommodate.

On console, mics and controllers are the mass market, and companies lose revenue when trying to implement a peripheral for a niche audience.

I really don't know why console game developers don't bother more with niche peripheral programing.

I mean everything was better with kinect, right? What all those smash hits the PlayStation move had?

Then their was that much game that came with a 200 *** controller, everyone bought that thing, huh?

I know many people play on PC so much they cant think of a keyboard in the same bargain bin as a kinect, but if a console product doesn't hit the mass market, I wouldn't hold out hope for kinect support.

Cheers.

Sorry buddy, gonna have to disagree. it's not that tough to plug in a usb keyboard. I played ffxiv for over a year

It's much easier to just talk to others on console.
Trying to add in another window and also require another peripherial isn't a logical approach when nothing is wrong with what exists.

Asherons_Call wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Wow over a hundred voted no. Really people.

Ya to hell with the people who are disabled and cant use the current system huh?

Ive served and have major hearing loss due to multiple IED attacks. So the voice chat really doesnt work for me and others with similar disabilities.

Thanks for your service.

Playing on console s may be tough if you require text.

Text is simply not as popular with the console crowd as it is with the keyboard cowboys of the PC..

I would like to see you stay here on console, but through the favoring of a keyboard as an input device on PC, more games accommodate.

On console, mics and controllers are the mass market, and companies lose revenue when trying to implement a peripheral for a niche audience.

I really don't know why console game developers don't bother more with niche peripheral programing.

I mean everything was better with kinect, right? What all those smash hits the PlayStation move had?

Then their was that much game that came with a 200 *** controller, everyone bought that thing, huh?

I know many people play on PC so much they cant think of a keyboard in the same bargain bin as a kinect, but if a console product doesn't hit the mass market, I wouldn't hold out hope for kinect support.

Cheers.

Sorry buddy, gonna have to disagree. it's not that tough to plug in a usb keyboard. I played ffxiv for over a year

It's much easier to just talk to others on console.
Trying to add in another window and also require another peripherial isn't a logical approach when nothing is wrong with what exists.

No it's not. I've been gaming on Pc and console for 20 years now. Have you even played ESO? It doesn't seem like it. Have you ever been in a populated area and tried to communicate? Have you ever been in a full 500 man guild with 20 people all carrying on separate conversations? Text chat is far superior hands down. The only time voice chat is necessary is in a group dungeon. By the way, isn't a mic a peripheral?