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What SHOULDN'T be included in ESO housing?
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
I fixed it for you.
Now if you want to get into that silly game I'd better call a mod.
Whenever you quote someone and change something, make your changes obvious.
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Eriquito3✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
I fixed it for you.
The guild trading system is so bad, its very difficult and time consuming running to different vendors in hope I could find the itemnI amnlooking for that is not insanely over priced.
I agree, a global auction house would cut out all the time wasted on going to different vendors, and further more everyone would be able to participate in the economy as a seller or buyer. It will make the competition more agressive andnthe market wont be controlled by a handful of guilds.
Very good post.Hi1 -
Iluvrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭See I'm all for keeping the cities active; however, I'm willing to argue that player controlled crafting stations (other than alchemy and enchanting) would have little to no effect on this. Let's for instance say that housing is released with the ability to buy crafting stations with a hefty buy-in of in-game gold...(fingers crossed not crown purchasable).
Those players who could afford these stations most likely don't use regular crafting stations anymore anyways but use set crafting stations (located out towns anyhow) to make gear. I can't even tell you the last time I used a regular blacksmith, ww or clothing table. So there is potentially little/no population loss. Limiting this is indeed a needless restriction (in this scenario, ie. high buy-in).
And I am willing to argue that they will have an effect on this.
The argument in favour of cities being depopulated by crafting stations in houses, even standard stations, is in-game already. It is the settlement of Rawl'kha.
Rawl'kha continues to be busy, even at the strange hours that I log-in (being in JP on the EU server). Why? Is it an area of outstanding natural beauty? Maybe. Does it possess any material value that any other sufficiently large settlement doesn't possess? I doubt it. So why is it that I would still consider it one of the top 3 locations populated by players at the moment?(the others being the Faction capital [for Undaunted missions] and Craglorn... because Craglorn)
Simple. Because it is easy.
Rawl'kha has been popular since soon after launch because it has everything that people need with very little running around required to move from one point of interest, such as the bank or crafting stations, to another. In my faction, EP, the quests there are exhausted fairly quickly, you can't pick up writs, etc. etc. ... so maybe, as many suggestions to the Crown Store thread would have us believe, convenience really is important.
What then is likely to occur if you introduce housing that fulfills all of these functions with even greater convenience and possibly the chance to choose your own wallpaper?
Personally I think that people will be people. People have jobs and lives and have decided that they only have a very limited amount of time so they are likely take the easiest, quickest option that is presented to them so they can get back to hitting ugly creatures with sharp pieces of metal.
That is why I believe that the settlements will depopulate if housing with thinks like bank access and crafting stations are introduced. It is also why I strongly believe that they shouldn't be.
For the record, I have queried other members of my guild about their responses to such an inclusion and they all had the same view: If it was easier, they would use it instead. Of course I can't claim that to be a representative sample or any such thing (it was only about 20 people) but it seems the only person who was willing to go to a less convenient city was me... and I do it for purely in-character reasons.
Well constructed argument... much appreciated
I do think it stretches a little on why a lot of players are in Rawl'kha. The real reason is not the standard crafting stations, it is simply because the bank, guild traders and wayshrine are within a jumping distance of each other. That is why I stated banks, writs and wayshrines should not be in player houses. I frequent Rawl all the time, is it for the crafting stations? Nope. It's because I can port in, take two steps buy anything I need, take two more steps and be at the bank. You do bring up a good point however. The layout of certain cities is a major factor in their activity, which has more of an effect on their popularity than standard crafting stations being there or not.
There are certainly may different playstyles and I won't pretend to understand what everyone does in cities but I do know that I'm there only briefly to make potions (5-10 min tops), do writs (30 min), wts in zone or go to the bank. I still fail to see how players in my situation would "break the game" by being able to craft in seclusion. Again I'm not for adding everything, there has to be limits of course, but crafting stations specifically don't play as large a role as some here are leading to believe imo. At least where I'm at in the game.
It isn't so much standard crafting stations, as any crafting stations. It seems to be being suggested that set stations are the only ones of interest in, or around, level cap. I can assure you that this isn't the case for me at least. You do include the time that people are doing writs in your argument though, which is good. I would suggest that being forced to pick up the writs in the cities would have little positive effect on city populations as this can be done in seconds (I tried this in Deshaan last night for research purposes) before you could merrily disappear again (in my case I actually went back to Rawl'kha... again for research purposes). What matters is the fulfilling of the writs. And to fulfill writs (as they have no set requirements) requires crafting stations, any crafting stations.
I can't speak for other play styles but as a crafter at VR14 I spend a lot of time doing writs. Quite often with multiple characters in a single day. Why? Because the money isn't bad, the survey reports are useful and because the Intricate item drops are useful for alts or guild members looking to improve their crafting.
Given the above, the time that I spend, am forced to spend, in the cities fulfilling these writs becomes very important indeed, and not just for filling the writs themselves.Almost all of my new crafting clients come from requests I hear when in either Mournhold or Craglorn. Zone chat occasionally carries a "Can someone craft me...." messages and, if I am quick, then I can usually pick up not just that order but quite often orders for that player for multiple levels or even all the way to cap. I am not unique, or special in my ability to do this so I can't believe that I am the only one finding utility in the population this way.
It is based on that experience that I really believe that keeping people in the cities, even with the annoyances of pets and pointless ability spam, is important.1 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Moonscythe wrote: »I don't want anyone or anything able to walk in my front door without my permission.
Instanced housing would provide that.
If housing isn't instanced, I'd want my character to have the ability to break in and wipe a house clean of its goods.Crotchety Old Man Guild
"Hey you, get off my lawn!"0 -
Milktray✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »If it's somehwat like DAoC housing I'd say cool or even as they mentioned Skyrim it's cool but can't think of anything crazy that I've seen
I'd like housing like in Ultima Online and yes open world, whoever said it was a tidy place way back then must have been on something lolZoS please understand everyone thinks and pronounces things differently, so please add to your 'rules' that things get removed if the Mod doesn't actually quite understand phrasing0 -
Asherons_Call✭✭✭✭✭
✭Did someone seriously mention no furniture? What do you want four walls and a floor? The whole fun of getting your own player housing in every game I've played has been the decor0 -
Enodoc✭✭✭✭✭
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I think you misread. What we don't want is unusable furniture. As in, useless static objects. Cancel the double-negative and you get "We want usable furniture".Asherons_Call wrote: »Did someone seriously mention no furniture? What do you want four walls and a floor? The whole fun of getting your own player housing in every game I've played has been the decorEdited by Enodoc on August 20, 2015 10:27AMUESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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dafox187✭✭✭i want storage at my house that others can steal from but i don't want it to be extremely easy
[also idc about crafting writs post if you're in a small neighborhood and/or you have like a mailbox that you could also get other quest in]
don't get mad at my spelling, autocorrect doesn't cover fantasy.
Why couldn't the Khajiit go to the party? She had to be Elsweyr.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What SHOULDN'T be included in ESO housing?
the ability for people to steal my stuff, i dont want people come into me house and steal stuff from me.
"Unless" maybe they could but i would have some incredibly powerfull storm atronoch unkillable guards protecting my junk?
i prefer the atronochs
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