Biting jabs OP?

Cinbri · August 2015

Soris wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

@Lorkhan Dude visit your local eye doctor.
Nothing wrong there. First the dk knocked back then she backed up, casted her heal while second jab knocking back the skeleton.

Exactly. they are fine stop Qq about jabs, jesus.. My tooltip on PTS says 760 magic dmg per jab, target infront me should get 140% increased dmg.. but it gets 1.2k dmg non crit.. so calculate it, is that 140%?? Its not, its already affected by Battle spirit nerf.. So please..

I'm really afraid of someone at zos believe those false claims.
I mean, seriously, skill is fine. It is not doing monstrous damage. It is affected by battle spirit and furthermore it is double affected by it, for the heal part.
Stamina morph is broken due to how armor penetration works. And all channelling skills such as jabs and beam going through mist form unmitigated.
It is all about bugs and bugs must be fixed. Period.

You don't understand, nerfing Templar each patch is ZOS feature. If they will abandon this cool feature - game will die.

Alcast · August 2015

Soris wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

@Lorkhan Dude visit your local eye doctor.
Nothing wrong there. First the dk knocked back then she backed up, casted her heal while second jab knocking back the skeleton.

Exactly. they are fine stop Qq about jabs, jesus.. My tooltip on PTS says 760 magic dmg per jab, target infront me should get 140% increased dmg.. but it gets 1.2k dmg non crit.. so calculate it, is that 140%?? Its not, its already affected by Battle spirit nerf.. So please..

I'm really afraid of someone at zos believe those false claims.
I mean, seriously, skill is fine. It is not doing monstrous damage. It is affected by battle spirit and furthermore it is double affected by it, for the heal part.
Stamina morph is broken due to how armor penetration works. And all channelling skills such as jabs and beam going through mist form unmitigated.
It is all about bugs and bugs must be fixed. Period.

Yep, Puncturing strikes got 3 nerfs already when 1.6 went live, and ppl still QQ only bc they die from it sometime. trololol

Soris · August 2015

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Lorkhan wrote: »

Rhakon wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Rhakon wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

on PTS bitting jabs is templars new jesus beam.

yes so suprise attack or lavalash.. instant hit hard to avoid... are like an ultimate!

Every time someone compares NB damage to Templar damage I laugh.

There should be a trade off for having increased survivability. If Templars produce the same damage as NB then why EVER roll a NB when after failing to kill someone NB's just melt? I'll just roll a templar....enjoy the same damage and then when I fail to kills someone go, "Oh well. no big deal...let me bubble up over here and go invincible myself"

when you lose 1on1 to Templar L2P.... jabs are only strong against noobs- they grant free cc immunity and are easy to avoid...

edit: bubble up..lol BS got a doublenerf on pts, its almost useless.

it staggers you even if you have CC immunity

No.

The stun lock still happens occasionally. Seems to be a rare interaction of lag/desync and the not exactly robust cc immunity system though, rather than something wrong with the skill itself.

Well it never happened me before, it must be ultra rare if it's real. And even if so, you can't tie it to skill itself anyway.
Not exactly "you" though.

Mojmir · August 2015

if your dying to this skill, you need to look at YOUR game, not ESO

melloni_aleb16_ESO · August 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

#NerfJesus
#NerfJabs
#NerfBreath
#NerfCharge
#Nerfblazingshield
#Nerfblazing spear
#Nerfheals
#NerfEclipse
Choose topic for next thread.

it's completed

P.s

In pts Bjabs is bugged . On live damage is normal ,as it's normal 12k of surprise attack...

PBpsy · August 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

@Lorkhan Dude visit your local eye doctor.
Nothing wrong there. First the dk knocked back then she backed up, casted her heal while second jab knocking back the skeleton.

Exactly. they are fine stop Qq about jabs, jesus.. My tooltip on PTS says 760 magic dmg per jab, target infront me should get 140% increased dmg.. but it gets 1.2k dmg non crit.. so calculate it, is that 140%?? Its not, its already affected by Battle spirit nerf.. So please..

I'm really afraid of someone at zos believe those false claims.
I mean, seriously, skill is fine. It is not doing monstrous damage. It is affected by battle spirit and furthermore it is double affected by it, for the heal part.
Stamina morph is broken due to how armor penetration works. And all channelling skills such as jabs and beam going through mist form unmitigated.
It is all about bugs and bugs must be fixed. Period.

You don't understand, nerfing Templar each patch is ZOS feature. If they will abandon this cool feature - game will die.

Continuous Templar nerfage ===== good for the long term health of the game.

Sandmanninja · August 2015

Jolinius wrote: »

Ive been getting one shotted on live with this and 2 shotted on pts with no real way to counter this ability. Like it goes gap closer biting jabs me playing through break free animation second biting jabs dead. Or gap closer bting jabs try to roll dodge knocked out of rolldodge into more biting jabs ...dead. Or block it does a huge amount of damage through block and drains your stam very fast and cant put enough pressure on to do any good . You cant cloak out of it and its very hard to run from with its large range and snare from burning light.

Its an aoe interrupt and cc that debuffs the enemy with off balance procs exploiter ,burning light etc . Has the longest mellee range and does the most dps in game. Just the fact that you can spam this one ability and get the highest dps of any class makes me think this should be looked at.

p.s. I dont have any trouble countering this on my sorc just all other classes.

If anyone has some suggestions on this i would like to hear them.

Whoa! Don't Perma-Block! (sarcasm off)

Thalmor-Nordmaster · August 2015

Whats left to Nerf ?

Rhaegar75 · August 2015

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

Whats left to Nerf ?

I still Templars should have their own armour: cardboard...Templars accessing normal armours is too overpowered

Kaliki · August 2015

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

Whats left to Nerf ?

They could revert the Vampire's Bane projectile speed buff...

Having all Templar projectiles move at walking speed like necrotic orbs would be good for the long-term health of the game.

Ryuho · August 2015

Kaliki wrote: »

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

Whats left to Nerf ?

They could revert the Vampire's Bane projectile speed buff...

Having all Templar projectiles move at walking speed like necrotic orbs would be good for the long-term health of the game.

Hahah good one

Lorkhan · August 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGwhHs7ZBSc

@Ryuho , @Soris

i'm sorry. i mean AFTER 00:40

i'll be more precise: 0:47 and 0:51

maybe i'm wrong, but didnt the dk get staggered while cc immunity up?

what do you think, @ZOS_RichLambert

Alcast · August 2015

melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

#NerfJesus
#NerfJabs
#NerfBreath
#NerfCharge
#Nerfblazingshield
#Nerfblazing spear
#Nerfheals
#NerfEclipse
Choose topic for next thread.

it's completed

P.s

In pts Bjabs is bugged . On live damage is normal ,as it's normal 12k of surprise attack...

bugged in what way??? A dude told me yday that i use bugged jabs, but 2,8k dmg is much? dont think so lol.

On live i hit with 4k

trimsic_ESO · August 2015

This ability alone is not OP. But the possibility to spam that ability is OP. And it's not the only ability like that in the game.

trimsic_ESO · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

it's completed

P.s

In pts Bjabs is bugged . On live damage is normal ,as it's normal 12k of surprise attack...

bugged in what way??? A dude told me yday that i use bugged jabs, but 2,8k dmg is much? dont think so lol.

On live i hit with 4k[/quote]

I think bite jams and the other morph are bugged, because they both hit for 6-7k damage on the PTS in PVP.

Ryuho · August 2015

@Lorkhan is that from 2.1 or 2.1.1? I havent experienced in 2.1.1 something like that, but yeah seams he got knocked back while being CC immune.

Lorkhan · August 2015

the video was posted before 2.1.1, august 8, so this must be 2.1

i dont want anything to be nerfed either. dont take me wrong.
but when im dueling against a templar on PTS i get somehow staggered all the time.

timidobserver · August 2015

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

Whats left to Nerf ?

Don't test them. They will find something else.

technohic · August 2015

First off, I can't believe someone has issues with Jabs in PvP any more. I just don't even know how to take this thread based on that. Is it just a matter of "please nerf jabs. Templars still have an ability that I have to at least pay attention to and move out of the way when they attack, rather than just ignored them while they try to heal up."

Ryuho · August 2015

Lorkhan wrote: »

the video was posted before 2.1.1, august 8, so this must be 2.1

i dont want anything to be nerfed either. dont take me wrong.
but when im dueling against a templar on PTS i get somehow staggered all the time.

Ok so it seams its gone, I have tested few minutes ago and havent triggerd knock back on som1 CC immune, seams 2.1 issue, maybe ninja fixed? Or ping, idk..

Lorkhan · August 2015

ty ryuho. i will test again later

Alcast · August 2015

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

it's completed

P.s

In pts Bjabs is bugged . On live damage is normal ,as it's normal 12k of surprise attack...

bugged in what way??? A dude told me yday that i use bugged jabs, but 2,8k dmg is much? dont think so lol.

On live i hit with 4k

I think bite jams and the other morph are bugged, because they both hit for 6-7k damage on the PTS in PVP.
[/quote]

No, the problem is another one.

High ping causes Death Recap to count 2 jabs as 1 or it counts 3 jabs as one.

You did not get a 6k hit, it prolly was 2x 3k..

its the *** ping, same on live, I one got jabbed for 9k = not possibru

Cinbri · August 2015

Hm, i still didn't get problem with Jabs. My Puncturing 1 fully landed cast dealing 9k crit damage, but it costed to invest everything into glasscannon build and abandon defense, and same for every pther class.

trimsic_ESO · August 2015

@Alcast In my death recap window, I can see 5 jabs hitting for 6-7k each. I'm not sure it got collapsed 5 times the same way. The probability this happens looks low.

Alcast · August 2015

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

@Alcast In my death recap window, I can see 5 jabs hitting for 6-7k each. I'm not sure it got collapsed 5 times the same way. The probability this happens looks low.

hm, this is very strange, when I play on PTS my jabs deal max 2,8k crit dmg...

Maybe still some Level of the skill is buggy like it was for flying blade?

Alcast · August 2015

Soris · August 2015

Thats pretty low actually Alcast. Mine hits for 4k and 5k with crits. Magicka morph. And I'm like 2k spell power and 32k magicka and all cp in related tree.

I wonder how people can hit for 7-8k with sweeps. I never saw it myself in my death recap but there are reports about it. I think it is probably the death recap stacking issue like @Alcast said. Not sure tho. Some bug might be lurking somewhere in skill or champion system or in sets maybe.

Alcast · August 2015

Soris wrote: »

Thats pretty low actually Alcast. Mine hits for 4k and 5k with crits. Magicka morph. And I'm like 2k spell power and 32k magicka and all cp in related tree.

I wonder how people can hit for 7-8k with sweeps. I never saw it myself in my death recap but there are reports about it. I think it is probably the death recap stacking issue like @Alcast said. Not sure tho. Some bug might be lurking somewhere in skill or champion system or in sets maybe.

how can you crit with 5k????????? that on pts?

5k is not possible, not even on live lol.

what dmg do you get on live? tell me your secret

Mojmir · August 2015

Dark flare and vamps bane boost dmg no?

technohic · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Thats pretty low actually Alcast. Mine hits for 4k and 5k with crits. Magicka morph. And I'm like 2k spell power and 32k magicka and all cp in related tree.

I wonder how people can hit for 7-8k with sweeps. I never saw it myself in my death recap but there are reports about it. I think it is probably the death recap stacking issue like @Alcast said. Not sure tho. Some bug might be lurking somewhere in skill or champion system or in sets maybe.

how can you crit with 5k????????? that on pts?

5k is not possible, not even on live lol.

Think he is saying total, not individual hit.