Trading Guilds Charging Membership??

Hope499 · August 2015

One of my guilds just implanted a 2k charge a week instead of 1....

it is one of the best traders in game...and I make 10x easy that a week...*** I make more than that a day from the store, so i dont mind.

Still bothers me a bit....but worth it overall.

\On xbox ONE

Mighty_oakk · August 2015

I am in the top 3 trade guilds on server. None do this buut one did recently get sold for a bunch of RL money so I'm guessing incoming fee.

NewBlacksmurf · August 2015

until you find a good group of ppl with a valuable guild many will use the trade guilds...
When you begin finding guilds with a purpose the trading guilds become silly unless you just want to farm and make $.

TO each its own but the PvP and PvE guilds tend to circulate or provide anything guild members need and gold deposits are welcomed but not required. When the guild has progress and ppl are excited, the members come with stuff so that the guild can prosper so if they are charging memberships this should be a sign.

FireCowCommando · August 2015

Its a complete rip off. Its an absurd policy that adds a chore for the guild members.

I sale over 500,000 gold a week, pretty sure the taxes collected are way higher compared to the headache caused by having to mail some random person i never met gold every week.

High selling members wont put up with guilds that run these kinds of practices, I just moved to a different guild that didnt require the weekly fee and now they can have my taxes.

Highly recommend other power players do the same, since remaining within these toxic guilds only further emboldens them.

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

Uh no if any guild charges for membership they are scum and you should leave ASAP.

KaleidoscopeEyz · August 2015

The guild I'm in on Xbox NA hasn't had a guild trader in two weeks and the last bid was $820k and they still lost. I have no idea which location they were bidding on. I've noticed a huge difference in my sales decreasing with no trader. So instead I've been posting my stuff in some of my other guilds that have a guild trader.

CFodder1977 · August 2015

Yep, it's a scam console trading guilds have going on right now and is a reason console trading is completely broke. Be wary of any guild that has a message of the day advertising a guild raffle. What usually happens is they first get people to buy into the raffle then, a week or so later, they publicize a guild membership fee. If you do not maintain your membership status by paying the weekly fee, you are not eligible to collect your potential raffle winnings at the end of the month. By doing this they are able to milk people for 5k-10k per month ... and you will never actually win the raffle.

Sallington · August 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Uh no if any guild charges for membership they are scum and you should leave ASAP.

If you are part of a top-tier trading guild going for a prime guild trader, then this is completely reasonable if you ask me. You wouldn't really be in such a guild in the first place if you didn't agree. You'd be making enough of a profit from said guild trader that the "guild fees" would barely be noticeable.

Now, if it's some random trade guild that MIGHT have a trader on some random road in Glenumbra, then yeah, it's ridiculous.

SeptimusDova · August 2015

Tan9oSuccka · August 2015

So tell me again, why scattered Guild Stores across Tamriel are better than a central auction house?

I will continue to not purchase from any of them.

hiyde · August 2015

Guilds do not get 7% of transactions, they get a little under 3.5%.

Be proactive in helping your trading guild. By their very nature, there is an expectation of revenue from every member.

Wanna know how much your share is as a member?
Divide the kiosk cost by number of members in the guild.

If you aren't somehow contributing at least that amount to the guild (be it via sales tax, raffles, bank deposits, etc), then the guild is taking a loss on you being in it and others have to pull extra weight to make up for you.

Let's say your 500 Member Craglorn guild paid 2,000,000 for their kiosk.
That's a cost of 4,000G per member.

If you aren't finding a way to contribute 4,000G in revenue (Sales Tax, Raffles, Bank Deposits), the guild is taking a loss on you being in it. It would take 115,000G in sales to generate 4k in revenue to the guild in this example.

Perhaps you think that 2,000,000G is excessive for a prime location? Or perhaps your income doesn't support generating that amount each week? Simple enough, find a trade guild that better suits your needs/sales volume and let someone who wants to be in that kind of guild take your spot!

I know it's fun to bash on guilds that do contesting/events/raffles and call them dishonest, ripoffs, scams, etc, but there are a lot of trading guilds who's officers work their hearts out every week to provide a fun environment & raise gold for their kiosk at the same time. Most of them provide great transparency on exactly what happens with guild funds.

Even if we didn't have a kiosk, we'd still do contesting & events because they are a lot of fun!

Asherons_Call · August 2015

Yep it's sad but true. On ps4 I'm in a guild that has a trader in mounhold and they charge 2500 per week just to be able to have access to the guild trader.. That's on top of their cut of every item sold..

FireCowCommando · August 2015

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Yep it's sad but true. On ps4 I'm in a guild that has a trader in mounhold and they charge 2500 per week just to be able to have access to the guild trader.. That's on top of their cut of every item sold..

quit the guild, its not worth it.

Rinmaethodain · August 2015

Its not about what the guilds charges/demands.

Its about what you are willing to do.

They can charge anything for everything, i can charge people for porting into zone. Its your choice to pay.
As long as people pay, it means someone somewhere is providing a service they find valuable.

If people will stop paying, they will stop charging.

Elder_III · August 2015

hiyde wrote: »

Guilds do not get 7% of transactions, they get a little under 3.5%.

Be proactive in helping your trading guild. By their very nature, there is an expectation of revenue from every member.

Wanna know how much your share is as a member?
Divide the kiosk cost by number of members in the guild.

If you aren't somehow contributing at least that amount to the guild (be it via sales tax, raffles, bank deposits, etc), then the guild is taking a loss on you being in it and others have to pull extra weight to make up for you.

Let's say your 500 Member Craglorn guild paid 2,000,000 for their kiosk.
That's a cost of 4,000G per member.

If you aren't finding a way to contribute 4,000G in revenue (Sales Tax, Raffles, Bank Deposits), the guild is taking a loss on you being in it. It would take 115,000G in sales to generate 4k in revenue to the guild in this example.

Perhaps you think that 2,000,000G is excessive for a prime location? Or perhaps your income doesn't support generating that amount each week? Simple enough, find a trade guild that better suits your needs/sales volume and let someone who wants to be in that kind of guild take your spot!

I know it's fun to bash on guilds that do contesting/events/raffles and call them dishonest, ripoffs, scams, etc, but there are a lot of trading guilds who's officers work their hearts out every week to provide a fun environment & raise gold for their kiosk at the same time. Most of them provide great transparency on exactly what happens with guild funds.

Even if we didn't have a kiosk, we'd still do contesting & events because they are a lot of fun!

This is 100% the truth. You're lucky in fact if 1 out of 5 members pulls their weight in sales tax alone. As the leader of a max size trade guild since Beta we have 3 options: A - Charge Member Fees B - Have multiple huge Raffles C- Pay out of (personal) Pocket for your Trader. In my guild we do B and C both, in addition to having a requirement of at least 1 sale per week with 7 day inactivity policy. It's hours of work each week to run a successful Trade Guild and until there are changes to the system it's just going to get worse.

Sallington · August 2015

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

So tell me again, why scattered Guild Stores across Tamriel are better than a central auction house?

I will continue to not purchase from any of them.

Because with a centralized auction house, one player can buy up ALL of any resource they want, and basically create their own ridiculous price for it.

With the guild trader system, this type of market domination is pretty much eliminated. At the very least it makes it much much MUCH more difficult and time consuming to do so.

I also like the idea of trade guilds, which would server no purpose with a centralized auction house. The way it is now makes it feel like there's an actual economy, rather than hundreds of people all jumping around at the 1 AH.

Siniztor · August 2015

Elder_III wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

Guilds do not get 7% of transactions, they get a little under 3.5%.

Be proactive in helping your trading guild. By their very nature, there is an expectation of revenue from every member.

Wanna know how much your share is as a member?
Divide the kiosk cost by number of members in the guild.

If you aren't somehow contributing at least that amount to the guild (be it via sales tax, raffles, bank deposits, etc), then the guild is taking a loss on you being in it and others have to pull extra weight to make up for you.

Let's say your 500 Member Craglorn guild paid 2,000,000 for their kiosk.
That's a cost of 4,000G per member.

If you aren't finding a way to contribute 4,000G in revenue (Sales Tax, Raffles, Bank Deposits), the guild is taking a loss on you being in it. It would take 115,000G in sales to generate 4k in revenue to the guild in this example.

Perhaps you think that 2,000,000G is excessive for a prime location? Or perhaps your income doesn't support generating that amount each week? Simple enough, find a trade guild that better suits your needs/sales volume and let someone who wants to be in that kind of guild take your spot!

I know it's fun to bash on guilds that do contesting/events/raffles and call them dishonest, ripoffs, scams, etc, but there are a lot of trading guilds who's officers work their hearts out every week to provide a fun environment & raise gold for their kiosk at the same time. Most of them provide great transparency on exactly what happens with guild funds.

Even if we didn't have a kiosk, we'd still do contesting & events because they are a lot of fun!

This is 100% the truth. You're lucky in fact if 1 out of 5 members pulls their weight in sales tax alone. As the leader of a max size trade guild since Beta we have 3 options: A - Charge Member Fees B - Have multiple huge Raffles C- Pay out of (personal) Pocket for your Trader. In my guild we do B and C both, in addition to having a requirement of at least 1 sale per week with 7 day inactivity policy. It's hours of work each week to run a successful Trade Guild and until there are changes to the system it's just going to get worse.

Yes and it was known from the year on pc how hard it was to run one..So anyone complaing about running one shouldnt be guild leader of one.
.that said i hold my own all 30 spots last 2 weeks have been vr 12 purple set gear from trials with 1 or 2 differnt items vr 14 martail knowalge items from farming anchors and 3 xp recipe fragmments which have sold for 150k+ each so im holding my own..

The problem is said guild leader took 2 weeks off never bid on a trader just this week do we have a trader..so the dues seem silly let alone he raised it 5 days later to 2k

sylviermoone · August 2015

Siniztor wrote: »

Elder_III wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

Guilds do not get 7% of transactions, they get a little under 3.5%.

Be proactive in helping your trading guild. By their very nature, there is an expectation of revenue from every member.

Wanna know how much your share is as a member?
Divide the kiosk cost by number of members in the guild.

If you aren't somehow contributing at least that amount to the guild (be it via sales tax, raffles, bank deposits, etc), then the guild is taking a loss on you being in it and others have to pull extra weight to make up for you.

Let's say your 500 Member Craglorn guild paid 2,000,000 for their kiosk.
That's a cost of 4,000G per member.

If you aren't finding a way to contribute 4,000G in revenue (Sales Tax, Raffles, Bank Deposits), the guild is taking a loss on you being in it. It would take 115,000G in sales to generate 4k in revenue to the guild in this example.

Perhaps you think that 2,000,000G is excessive for a prime location? Or perhaps your income doesn't support generating that amount each week? Simple enough, find a trade guild that better suits your needs/sales volume and let someone who wants to be in that kind of guild take your spot!

I know it's fun to bash on guilds that do contesting/events/raffles and call them dishonest, ripoffs, scams, etc, but there are a lot of trading guilds who's officers work their hearts out every week to provide a fun environment & raise gold for their kiosk at the same time. Most of them provide great transparency on exactly what happens with guild funds.

Even if we didn't have a kiosk, we'd still do contesting & events because they are a lot of fun!

This is 100% the truth. You're lucky in fact if 1 out of 5 members pulls their weight in sales tax alone. As the leader of a max size trade guild since Beta we have 3 options: A - Charge Member Fees B - Have multiple huge Raffles C- Pay out of (personal) Pocket for your Trader. In my guild we do B and C both, in addition to having a requirement of at least 1 sale per week with 7 day inactivity policy. It's hours of work each week to run a successful Trade Guild and until there are changes to the system it's just going to get worse.

Yes and it was known from the year on pc how hard it was to run one..So anyone complaing about running one shouldnt be guild leader of one.
.that said i hold my own all 30 spots last 2 weeks have been vr 12 purple set gear from trials with 1 or 2 differnt items vr 14 martail knowalge items from farming anchors and 3 xp recipe fragmments which have sold for 150k+ each so im holding my own..

The problem is said guild leader took 2 weeks off never bid on a trader just this week do we have a trader..so the dues seem silly let alone he raised it 5 days later to 2k

In this case, perhaps dues seem silly. In the cases in the quote above, they do not.

Most successful trade guilds, at least PC side, require an inordinate amount of work to manage and maintain. I co-manage 2 large trade guilds, and it is almost the equivalent amount of work to my RL more than full time job.

It also takes a very large amount of gold to maintain good kiosks. I don't care what trade guild you're looking at; if they are in a prime location, they are not selling enough to pay for the kiosk with taxes alone. 3.5% is a joke. My most successful guild would need to sell 60+ million a week to maintain the cost from taxes alone. That has never happened.

Fact is, the costs of kiosks must be somewhat subsidized by the members. Personally, the guilds I'm in chose the somewhat voluntary form of raffles and auctions rather than require dues. This allows members to give what they can, while still having a chance to get something back.

If the costs of kiosks are similar on console and PC, with the reports I've seen of the selling price of items on console, I could maybe see a guild being able to fund a kiosk without member donations. On PC, though, that ship has long since sailed.

FelixTheCatt · August 2015

Most of the people I knew personally already quit and deleted the game anyways. I don't imagine there will be a ton of active guilds before too long in the future. This guild trader setup has turned so many off. Claim 500 members , doubt many are really active.

abelsgmx · October 2016

The actual sales system is kinda annoying, why we don't have a global auction house for all factions? I was in 2 guild traders in both need pay a fee called raffle to keep the merchant PLUS the sales taxes

Caligamy_ESO · October 2016

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Eiagra · October 2016

When I was a more active player (oh, life, why you gotta keep me from my hobbies?), I was in a trade guild (ADOT) that had what I thought were some pretty generous requirements considering they generally kept very good spots. Something like 1K in sales a week, or you could buy a raffle ticket (2K). More raffle tickets = better chances at prizes, and the prizes were pretty decent.

Sadly, I had long stretches of time where I couldn't log in, so I couldn't even commit to that small requirement, and it was better my spot went to someone else wanting in.

So on PC, yeah, I can see a variety of requirements high and low. Console, not sure about, but I guess it depends on how the market is going.

ComboBreaker88 · October 2016

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco approves of this thread.

No kidding right?

andreasranasen · October 2016

I am totally fine with paying 1-5k/weekly to support the Guild so they can have traders at great locations.

Vipstaakki · October 2016

If a trading guild charges you for membership, leave them.

Actually good trade guilds do not beggar their members.

alexkdd99 · October 2016

Vipstaakki wrote: »

If a trading guild charges you for membership, leave them.

Actually good trade guilds do not beggar their members.

Pretty much all trade guilds in the best areas charge a weekly fee.
Atleast this is the case on xbox na. The guild could not keep its trader on tax alone.

NoMoreChillies · October 2016

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco approves of this thread.

wow

susmitds · October 2016

Necromancer here.

nordsavage · October 2016

Just because you see 2.5 mil in the bank does not mean it is there to spend all at once. If you do not understand the concept of reserves then you have some googling to do. Besides if you do not like paying dues then go find another guild but when that guild has trouble finding and maintaining a trader in a prime location then maybe you will understand the purpose of dues. The highest tier traders cost seven digits to win bids on and to subsidize for low earners and the socializers measures must be taken. But I reiterate a bit more simply, your guild is optional and owned by someone else. Their house their rules.

ArchMikem · October 2016

This is why I steer clear of Trade Guilds. They're supposed to be groups that help players Socialize and play together. Demanding a recurring fee in order to maintain inclusion only serves to alienate people. I don't get onto the game to immediately begin playing the market to make gold. Just recently I managed to reach 120k, which was the absolute most I've ever had at one time, and then I went and blew most of it on crafting materials, glyphs ect, cause the traders are so inflated it's ridiculous.

I saw traders selling a single ring of some set for 5 million. FOR JUST ONE RING.