Trading Guilds Charging Membership??

Siniztor

Hey so this just started poping up on console..So far 2 off my trading guilds posted this week there charging 1k and 1.5k a week to be in the guild..Now the one guild has 2.5 mil in the bank and there saying its for keeping vendors..
Is this normal pratice for PC?

Just some simple math says each person list 30 items say for 1k..house gets 70g for each 1k listed..So

each person list 30 items house gets 2,100g
2,100g x 500 people = 1,050,000 g

Are vendors listing for over a mil?
So now they want
500 x 1,000 = 500,000
plus the 50% from 50/50 raffle every week...

Seems insane to me

simena9292

Scam. They dont. Need that much gold!

simena9292

I am in 2 trade guilds with the best locations ingame for vendors and i dont pay a singel penny. Sadly they are both full.

Siniztor

yeaive been in this guild since liek day 2 but pfft i anit paying twice lol heck i just sold a 50k nirn helm for research that one item got them 3,500..

I was just wondering if its like this on PC is this a sign of whats to come

traigusb14_ESO2

Some guilds on PC do charge. They also bid extremely high (millions) on a handful of really choice vendors in places where a lot of V14s hang out .

Consoles don't have the same clumping of players yet and no set of vendors costs that much.

It seems a little early for console guilds to need so much money.

SteveCampsOut

Some PC guilds charge fees, some do not. If you're willing to pay your guild to be located in the hottest trade locations, more power to you. It's not necessary, however, if you don't want to pay that to be in a guild that can still afford a less desirable trade location. I run a casual trade guild on both EU and NA server. We have no fees, we hold no raffles, and yet we still have maintained a guild trader for most of our existence. Our main selling points are being LGBT friendly, mature and casual and still have a trade presence.

bedlom

Add me if you're on xbox NA my GT: Dr Bedlom

My guild has excellent trade over 200 members and all members can recruit and all factions and players are welcome and all members can use the store
We also hold all kinds of events and involve all content dungeons etc

Just waiting for a chat box to make it so much better.

Tre_775

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

Some guilds on PC do charge. They also bid extremely high (millions) on a handful of really choice vendors in places where a lot of V14s hang out .

Consoles don't have the same clumping of players yet and no set of vendors costs that much.

It seems a little early for console guilds to need so much money.

As of this week, vendors in Rawl'kha are going for around one million gold on PS4 NA. If my guild can guarantee a vendor in a high traffic location such as that, where my income is going to be a minimum of 100K a week, then I've got no problem giving them 1K extra.

Sithisvoid

Bro have you seen how much guild traders are going for? Good luck getting one without paying dues

R1ckyDaMan

I wondered how long it would take for this to raise its ugly head on console

Rex-Umbra

I kinda think trade guilds are a bit of a scam but hey either you join them or you become one of those annoying people in Wayrest bank asking each person who walks in if they want to buy your crap.

Laerian

Another chapter in this failed trading system.

Ljungstroem

I don't see this being a problem if the guild is worth it, however what I see as a problem is that you have no guarantee as a member of that said guild that the Guildmaster wont just grab all the Guild Bank money and leave the place.

I know this is not a common thing, but you are putting your money in someone elses pocket in hopes that he/she will spend it well. Also you have no idea if you pay too much or too less for the Guild Trader being hired.

Aside these things I have no problem paying if I know I will get buck for my money, but seeing this trading system right now, its just lacking too many things.

It is indeed better now than before, but still need a lot of redoing to be honest.

MaxwellC

I don't see a problem giving 1k a week. The guild I'm apart charges 1k a week yet I donate 5-10k because of how much stuff I'm selling from hunding rage armor sets to enchantments.

NDwarf

I belong to 4 trade guilds on Ps4. All guilds close to or maxed out at 500 players. Only 1 out of 4 now has a guild trader the rest have nothing. I will pay a 1000 gold fee to an active guild otherwise it's a straight scam.

It wasn't like that before, they were active and had daily notifications about trade guild merchants. raffles, etc. Now they are silent. So either they GM's are on vacation, stopped playing ESO, or out bid on guild merchants by PC transfers who have millions of gold (one PC transfer may have more gold then all 500 new console players combined lol).

The economy is seriously screwed up on console. Use 4 out of 5 guild slots for trade guilds and they are doing nothing and none of my items are selling. Leave a dead trade guild, join another, rinse and repeat.

Aett_Thorn

Geez, ours at least has a raffle so that you have a chance to get something back, and makes it more of a volunteer system. If it just charged me a weekly dues, I'd be out so fast.

Troneon

5 trade guilds on PC and none of them charge, I would never pay more for a trade guild, I would just leave and join another good trade guild, there are plenty of them.

They already collect quite a lot of gold in house cuts so they should not be charging extra membership fee's, they never designed for it to be in the game either.

I have noticed an increase in guild mail spam asking for lottery tickets, donations becoming really common on PC though, especially with motd spam and mail spam changing it every day or even every few hours asking for more gold or lottery tickets etc.

Avoid those guilds as well. That being said though if you do have a good trade guild and it is providing a service that you enjoy without pressures to pay more, nice people, good guild chat etc, then you should at least try to donate a little gold once a week since quite a bit of effort and time can go into the really good trade guilds who actually care about maintaining a trade guild properly. The quality of the guild is what matters.

So I see no reason to not help those guilds out with donations every so often.

jackiemanuel

I'm in four trade guilds and only one of them charges dues. It's also the only one that has had a trader every week since console launch. And it's always been a busy trader in a city. They structure the fees as raffle tickets so each week three members turn their dues into an $80,000 or so profit. So it's been worth it to me.

I will admit that I'm addicted to the trading mini game. I'm refilling my slots every hour so they're always full. I enjoy determining what to sell in which trader and for how much. It's a large part of my enjoyment of eso. If I was just using it as a way to make a little extra cash but not dedicated to keeping my slots full and finding things to sell I wouldn't stay in a guild that charges.

But as it stands this guild makes me the most gold and I never have to worry about not getting a trader on a given week. I don't know what it's like on pc but my other guilds have recently lost bids at numbers between 600k and 1.2 million. If that wasn't the case I suspect guilds with dues wouldn't have high membership.

Renatoefdv

Its necessary bro, me and other 2 friens run the aldmerian trading guild, by now bids on "bad" locations are over 250 k there is no way for we to afford this price alone every week, even with 3% in every sale its not enough.

We are honest, and we dont need the 3% money nor the 1000 we ask (not mandatory), we make money selling our stuff and its more then enough to buy the things we want, but without help from our guild merchants we will never have a chance to hire a guild trader

Saucy_Jack

I'm in 5 trade guilds, four of which run weekly raffles and auctions. Considering that I regularly do over 250K sales a week over the four of them, am I angry about the raffles, where at least my donations to the guilds have a chance of winning me some really cool stuff? No. The best vendors in the game cost well over 2mil gold.

Plus, as it is right as people are waiting for the IC update to drop, the market for most gear has stalled completely, maning raffle donations and such are even more important for the guilds to keep those primo spots.

Elsonso

My advice for console is the same as my advice for PC. If you can afford to and want to pay 1K (or more) per week to be in the guild, and the guild seems established and trustworthy (or you don't care if they are), then by all means do it. On the PC, I am paying an average of 10K per week across all of my guilds on a voluntary basis. I make considerably more than that selling stuff in those guilds.

If the idea of paying dues to the guild is a problem, then find another guild. There are trade guilds out there that do not charge, some with kiosks and some without. Kiosks increase sales, but I have been in guilds with no kiosk and things do sell.

Some guild leaders feel that they need more of the proceeds from selling than what they get from the game in order to secure certain traders. I am not opposed to this, so long as there is still the option to be in a guild with a kiosk that does not.

NDwarf wrote: »

It wasn't like that before, they were active and had daily notifications about trade guild merchants. raffles, etc. Now they are silent. So either they GM's are on vacation, stopped playing ESO.

Over the course of console rollout, people will be coming and going from the game. More people will be going from the game than coming as population always drops after launch. Some of these people are going to be guild leaders with big ideas and no desire to fulfill them. Joining a guild of any type in the first several weeks is going to be a crap shoot. You have no idea whether the person is in for the count. I have tended to join guilds belonging to people who have transferred over from PC. I figure that these people are more stable than the newcomers.

Until ZOS implements a "last seen" on the Console so we can tell when guild members, including the guild master, were last on, I suggest browsing the history and using the last time the guild message was changed as an indicator of how much attention the guild master gives the guild. If, that is, you don't see the guild master online.

SeptimusDova

Prices will continue to rise on the auctions of the vendor locations. Thus traders,members will have to raise their prices on everything.Its a never ending cycle. Unregulated markets spiral out of control.The current system is an economic nightmare.Much like our real one today.

SantieClaws

It's a poor way to run a guild. I'd be suspicious about any guild that trades so poorly that it has to charge its members to bring in the gold. The ITC does not charge members and has no intention of ever doing so.

I think the underlying problem is that there are far too few trading stalls available in relation to the number of new players and the number of guilds.

I have suggested before that a couple of large trading centres would help this. Like great marketplaces or bazaars. Basically a zone that is there for nothing but trade.

Robotmafia

yeah this is only the beginning... my guild started charging about 2-3 months ago and has increased the tax... its not their fault as much as its the fault of the system in place.. just makes buying and selling a huge hastle compared to a ... (not gonna say.. that horse has been beaten to dust)

demendred

I heard about this. Anyone asking for gold to be in a guild should have the response of your middle finger.

dlepi24

1500g a week is literally nothing. You could steal that in 10 minutes I believe. If you don't think you could sell more than 1500g a week to make up for it, then don't join.

dabulls7491

Mournhold is 700k+ on ps4 na. 1000gold is chump change if it helps your guild get a prime spot.

Saucy_Jack

I mean, all things considered...if you're selling so little that 1K or 1500 gold is an unsurmountable amount for guild dues...is a trade guild really the right fit for you?

Reverb

On PC, traders in prime spots are several million per week. Many of the top guilds have fees, either directly or in the form of compulsory lotteries. Others do voluntary lotteries and raffles combined with minimum sales requirements. Even a guild with strong sales will need to supplement it's income from the members to keep a prime trader.

ItsRejectz

Of course guilds are going to ask for donations, especially when people are putting crazy buids on traders. For instance I bid 80k on my trader this week and lost, can you imagine how much it's going to cost every week if your having to pay 100k every week just to not get out bid.

On EU PC one of the biggest trading guilds is house of zar, with 500 active members (your removed after being away for so long) they require all members to pay something like 15k per month as they had to make one of the highest bids ever just to get their trader back.

So yes, if you are in an active big trading guild who has to make high bids just to keep the trader, you can't expect the leader to front the whole cost himself.

BakaSensei

Of the 5 guilds I'm in on PC (2 are trading guilds), none ask for donations or require a fee to belong. One of which constantly has a top location in Mournhold. The only requirement they have is that you keep at least 10 items up on the merchant.

On PS4 I have been in two trading guilds, both wanted money. One I searched in forums for ... because yeah... how else other than yelling around in area voice chat? That one wanted 2k a week and didn't have a vendor location.

The second one was a scam that I got a random invite into while at the bank in Mournhold. They apparently had just created it and were inviting any and every person. They had a 1k bi-daily fee they wanted.

I instantly quit both of the PS4 guilds. Sorry, but starting out in a new game and asking for that much money to get into a trading guild is absurd. That's even coming from someone who's played on PC since it came out and knows how to make money. Even if I had the funds on PS4 that I do on PC, I still find it absurd that if I keep 20- 30 items on the vendor that the ask for that much money.

Stick with people putting a minimum number of items on the vendor to sell and things should be just fine.

This is all aside from the outrageous cost of quality improvement items (2k per dwarven oil) on PS4.