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Soo.. about those PTS Racials
Darlgon
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I'm sorry Gina. Keeping up with racials has become a challenge with the format used by ZoS. So, I put the data into an easier (for me) to read format.
Here is also a link to the Google Doc, if anyone wants it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qnXBpoRDQgqeXfZBXN-7cYVUH1m9ZnAZYZR9OweQW2g/edit?usp=sharing
(I will with hold other comments to not have them included with this post.)
Here is also a link to the Google Doc, if anyone wants it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qnXBpoRDQgqeXfZBXN-7cYVUH1m9ZnAZYZR9OweQW2g/edit?usp=sharing
(I will with hold other comments to not have them included with this post.)
Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.
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Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭What's to keep up with? If you're an Argonian expect very little to change.
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Darlgon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have to wonder if anyone in Eric's department keeps track of them like this. I mean.. the lack of buffs for Argonians (and Bretons) in the core stats is VERY apparent, with one apiece.
I still have not located the statement, supposedly by Eric during the IC ESO live special edition, that "regen is useless". (He said.. a LOT of surprising and somewhat offensive to me stuff I noted elsewhere.) If so, then that leaves a raw breakdown of racials as:
Base stat buff/regen buffs
Dunmer 3/0
Orsimer 2/1
Imperial 2/0
Nord 2/0
Altmer 1/1
Bosmer 1/1
Redguard 1/1
Argonian 1/0
Breton 1/0
Kajiiti 0/2
Now, the Kajiiti makes a case for regen NOT being useless, especially Sta Nightblades. So do the Altmer, Redguard and Bosmer, as long as the player respects which regen buffs help what skills. Orsimer, on paper, looks to be a new master race for tank types, with stamina and health + regen. Dunmer, on paper again, appears to be a ruler with magica pools, just no regen..
Oh well,,, now its up to the community to say other thoughts.Edited by Darlgon on August 14, 2015 3:56PMPower level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.2 -
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✭They need to get rid of the swim speed passive. With no underwater combat or exploring it's really a wasted trait. I doubt ANYONE wastes a point on it. Change it to a bonus to sneak or something like that.NA Server - Kildair3 -
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✭Oh.. one more thing...I mean to add and forgot.
WHY is ZoS so DEMEANING to the mer races? I mean.. really? Wood Elf, Orc, High Elf and Dark Elf are all slang from Imperial speech.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.2 -
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✭✭Buff my Argonian shield sinlings alreay us nords need our scalie friends on the battlefield wih us not dieing every second cause all they get is a few extra points for potions2 -
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✭✭✭✭They need to get rid of the swim speed passive. With no underwater combat or exploring it's really a wasted trait. I doubt ANYONE wastes a point on it. Change it to a bonus to sneak or something like that.
Every time someone tries to get that racial replaced with something useful someone comes on who has managed to make some obscure swimming build and is quite adamant that it remain. The first few times I thought they were trolling but they were in actuality dead serious.Edited by Armitas on August 14, 2015 6:39PMRetired.
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Selique✭✭✭✭They need to get rid of the swim speed passive. With no underwater combat or exploring it's really a wasted trait. I doubt ANYONE wastes a point on it. Change it to a bonus to sneak or something like that.
Hell no! Don't take it away, just combine it with something else. I love the swim speed bonus. I don't have a "Swimming Build" but I do enjoy the increase in swim speed. When you play an Argonian main, and switch to a non-Argonian it is a noticeable thing.
I agree that it isn't the best trait to have in the passives line, but its there, so DON'T get rid of it, just combine it with something useful.
Falls-With-Grace ~ Shadowscale (Argonian Night Blade)
Selique Lasra ~ Captain, Smuggler, Swashbuckler (Redguard Templar)
Chases-Comets ~ Shellback Warrior (Argonian Dragon Knight)
Slissix-Kir ~ Swamp Shaman (Argonian Sorcerer)
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PlagueMonk✭✭✭✭✭What's to keep up with? If you're an Argonian expect very little to change.
<<< bitter lizard
<<<<<< even bitter-er Lizard!
They need to get rid of the swim speed passive. With no underwater combat or exploring it's really a wasted trait. I doubt ANYONE wastes a point on it. Change it to a bonus to sneak or something like that.
I second the Hell and the NO!
It should stay because it does add flavor to the race but it should also have VERY little bearing. if any, on what else Argonians should also have.
Swimming is only good for solo PvE. Period.
- You cannot swim in Cyr due to the slaughterfish, nullifying its use completely.
- Has zero use in dungeons, trials or other meaningful PvE.
- In outdoor PvE groups all it does is let you get to certain places faster (but you still have to wait for others)
- It's convenient and allows you to explore water areas faster.....THAT IS IT. Big damn deal.
If a racial package had an overall all potential value of 10, swimming should take .25 away from that value.
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✭PlagueMonk wrote: »Swimming is only good for solo PvE. Period.
- You cannot swim in Cyr due to the slaughterfish, nullifying its use completely.
I have seen an Argonian swim across a river in Cyrodiil being chased by raids. The Argonian got away and they all died..Useful, but hardly game breaking for that one in one billion time it works.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.1 -
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That's why we need options...PlagueMonk wrote: »Swimming is only good for solo PvE. Period.
- You cannot swim in Cyr due to the slaughterfish, nullifying its use completely.
I have seen an Argonian swim across a river in Cyrodiil being chased by raids. The Argonian got away and they all died..Useful, but hardly game breaking for that one in one billion time it works.
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StopDropAndBear✭✭✭✭I would be fine with offering all the races a chance to skill into fun-but-useless swim speed if it meant better Argonian passives.
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Jar_Ek✭✭✭✭✭Just give all the other races the equivalent fluff to swim speed, such as a racial emote.0 -
twistedmonk✭✭✭Honestly, I just wish they would have learned to remove racial passives. Let the players just pick whatever race they want to play for aesthetics, personal choice.
If they want fluff racial passives that have no bearing on combat, then great. that's fun. but to have passives that affect combat,.... that was a horrible idea.
If they want to keep the customization, (not a good idea because its a nightmare to balance), at least remove Racial Passives and just put them under one skill line and let us pick whichever we want to customize our character.
@Zenimax Racial Passives was, is, and always will be a bad idea in MMOs. Accept that and move on. Fix your design flaw for the health and longevity of the game.
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✭✭twistedmonk wrote: »Honestly, I just wish they would have learned to remove racial passives. Let the players just pick whatever race they want to play for aesthetics, personal choice.
If they want fluff racial passives that have no bearing on combat, then great. that's fun. but to have passives that affect combat,.... that was a horrible idea.
If they want to keep the customization, (not a good idea because its a nightmare to balance), at least remove Racial Passives and just put them under one skill line and let us pick whichever we want to customize our character.
@Zenimax Racial Passives was, is, and always will be a bad idea in MMOs. Accept that and move on. Fix your design flaw for the health and longevity of the game.
Only if they remove Elder Scrolls from the game's title as well.1 -
Farorin✭✭✭✭✭What's to keep up with? If you're an Argonian expect very little to change.
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I love argonians, and am bitter AND salty about argonian racials STILL sucking majorly compared to even the other poor races, what to speak of the good races even after they have apparently been looked into and improved on.
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✭✭It would be nice if every race had a very noticeable and flavorful non-combat related passive, like the Argonian swim speed IN ADDITION TO some unique and actually relevant combat stat passives.Kena
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Former Legend GM
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Kronuxx✭✭✭✭I have to wonder if anyone in Eric's department keeps track of them like this. I mean.. the lack of buffs for Argonians (and Bretons) in the core stats is VERY apparent, with one apiece.
I still have not located the statement, supposedly by Eric during the IC ESO live special edition, that "regen is useless". (He said.. a LOT of surprising and somewhat offensive to me stuff I noted elsewhere.) If so, then that leaves a raw breakdown of racials as:
Base stat buff/regen buffs
Dunmer 3/0
Orsimer 2/1
Imperial 2/0
Nord 2/0
Altmer 1/1
Bosmer 1/1
Redguard 1/1
Argonian 1/0
Breton 1/0
Kajiiti 0/2
Now, the Kajiiti makes a case for regen NOT being useless, especially Sta Nightblades. So do the Altmer, Redguard and Bosmer, as long as the player respects which regen buffs help what skills. Orsimer, on paper, looks to be a new master race for tank types, with stamina and health + regen. Dunmer, on paper again, appears to be a ruler with magica pools, just no regen..
Oh well,,, now its up to the community to say other thoughts.
Actually you've got it wrong. Nords are the new master race for tanks, orcs are still somewhat subpar. Nords have decreased 6% damage (that's all damage incoming, so damage mitigation * 1.06), plus increased max health, increased frost resistance (you would think this is useless but actually everyone in PVP uses Ice comet, so actually it's quite useful) and 30% health regen. By the way, is that Khajiit passive for increased damage of 10% only from stealth, or applies to all conditions? I haven't done the testing for it but if it is the latter, then that is a very strong passive in my opinion. Also, Just to add, I do think they are doing a better job in balancing racials.
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✭By the way, is that Khajiit passive for increased damage of 10% only from stealth, or applies to all conditions? I haven't done the testing for it but if it is the latter, then that is a very strong passive in my opinion. Also, Just to add, I do think they are doing a better job in balancing racials.
The tooltip says nothing about stealth. But you DID read that it only applies to CRITICAL hits? So, more effective for a CRIT build instead of a melee build.Power level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.0 -
Kronuxx✭✭✭✭By the way, is that Khajiit passive for increased damage of 10% only from stealth, or applies to all conditions? I haven't done the testing for it but if it is the latter, then that is a very strong passive in my opinion. Also, Just to add, I do think they are doing a better job in balancing racials.
The tooltip says nothing about stealth. But you DID read that it only applies to CRITICAL hits? So, more effective for a CRIT build instead of a melee build.
Ahh i see, makes sense.
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AshTal✭✭✭✭It's clear that Argonian racials suck its amazing that the devs can not see this, Argonians are my favourite race but they are clearly disadvantaged because of terrible racials. Even in open beta it was admitted that Argonian racials suck and would be improved however 18 months later they still suck0