Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

To everyone that voted no I implore you to check out and play Warframe on Xbox One. In the first hour of gameplay see if you are invited to an active personilised guild, taken to some higher level areas that you wouldn't normally get to visit or pass til much later, get in touch with an amazing community happy to help you out and then try to do the same on ESO for console. ESO is a cold, dark and lonely experience if you don't have anyone you know from the real world playing it. The only interactions I've had with people in ESO is a couple of dances here and there or people scamming me or asking for free things.

We need text chat! For gods sakes I finished cad wells gold a month ago and I still can't find a group for Craglorn! If we had text chat a community would truly form not this sad excuse for a forum where every time a new player asks a question the five star supremacy tells them their thread is a waste of time and that their opinions are worthless (this happens daily). Text chat for console will give us consolers a community of our own and keep us playing longer!

Respectfully after having played Warframe and Neverwinter vs TESO on PC and Xbox One ...those experiences are what influence my vote to a no. I'm not 100% adverse to other adjustments nor am I against a text chat within the social window but that's just where I am

Regarding finding groups tho...your social options (friends list from other games and those you met here) should offer plenty of opportunities to group.

Take a day and play and talk in social chat...tons of cool ppl are more than willing to play.
If you don't know many hit me up on Xbox one. I'll introduce you to some

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

To everyone that voted no I implore you to check out and play Warframe on Xbox One. In the first hour of gameplay see if you are invited to an active personilised guild, taken to some higher level areas that you wouldn't normally get to visit or pass til much later, get in touch with an amazing community happy to help you out and then try to do the same on ESO for console. ESO is a cold, dark and lonely experience if you don't have anyone you know from the real world playing it. The only interactions I've had with people in ESO is a couple of dances here and there or people scamming me or asking for free things.

We need text chat! For gods sakes I finished cad wells gold a month ago and I still can't find a group for Craglorn! If we had text chat a community would truly form not this sad excuse for a forum where every time a new player asks a question the five star supremacy tells them their thread is a waste of time and that their opinions are worthless (this happens daily). Text chat for console will give us consolers a community of our own and keep us playing longer!

Respectfully after having played Warframe and Neverwinter vs TESO on PC and Xbox One ...those experiences are what influence my vote to a no. I'm not 100% adverse to other adjustments nor am I against a text chat within the social window but that's just where I am

Regarding finding groups tho...your social options (friends list from other games and those you met here) should offer plenty of opportunities to group.

Take a day and play and talk in social chat...tons of cool ppl are more than willing to play.
If you don't know many hit me up on Xbox one. I'll introduce you to some

And respectfully this is where you are wrong. Let's take Warframe, which I have well over 1k hours played on. When a player joins Clan chat and asks a question I can PM them and answer their questions while also communicating with everyone in clan chat and still have a voice conversation with my group while preparing for a run. This type of communication, or at least efficienct communication, is impossible currently in ESO.

If I want to organize a group run I am unable to make jokes or catch up on current events in clan chat, and there is no way I can give advice or help individual players at the same time. If you can outline how you can do all three things I mentioned at once in ESO please let me know because without text chat I find it impossible, especially since I can receive a PM in-game during a run, have the entire chat log available, and get back to them when I have time.

Text chat is not strictly better than voice chat but it does make a lot of things much easier. Often I get PMs while running a mission in Warframe and I can respond to them when I have time. I don't need a PSN or Xbox message to notify me that someone wants to talk and then have to exit the game/use a mobile phone to read it. It's just far more efficient to have both methods of communication. Don't even get me started on trades as Warframe's text chat is horrid, but ESO's voice chat is so much worse.

It's impossible to communicate via text chat WHILE playing.
Also, as this forum provides a great example...many ppl all talking at once are not paying attn to others.
It's many diff convos going on at once vs this game where in group, party, proximity or guild voice chats you have to listen and wait your turn.

You learn much more about others and honestly can get more done in addition to answering someone questions that others have. When done via voice it's without interruption.

If you prefer text chat over voice...that's fine but neither my comments nor your are "reasons" to add the feature. It's just preferences which exist on different platforms and games to our preferences.
I personally choose not to play console games that use text chat because of some of my comments but more so because of what happens indicative in this thread but add in spamming.

For me tats reason enough not to add it in. It's also why I moved from PC to console after playing on PC since 2013 closed BETa.

Warframe and Neverwinter are also completely different types of a MMO game as far as gameplay.
And their developers goals were to create a very traditional MMO feel whereas ZOS hopes to create a different TES experience with online play.
The very basic approach from day one was to make the game as much as possible look like TES
PC just has to have text chat as it makes sense to where a players hands are whereas console is gonna be different.
It's suppose to feel like TES and not like a MMO

Warframe is far more action oriented than ESO and we manage to text chat all the time during a run. I'll admit that voice chat is easier but if someone asks for an ETA on how much time is left in a run, I cam easily hit pause, respond, and be back in the action in under 10s. ESO, comparatively, has so much downtime I could have entire conversations during a mission while waiting on friends to catchup or get organized. Impossible to use text chat while playing? You must type really slow.

I agree that every MMO is different but text chat is a staple in the genre for a reason. There honestly isn't another efficient way to communicate with hundreds of other people at once; ESO is proof of that as it becomes a shouting match or filled with background noise in populated areas.

EDIT: Eriq's video is voice-only communication in practice and it completely destroys any argument supporting it as this is how it is like in-game. Also, there is absolutely zero moderation for voice chat unless a mod is present and can identify the individual speaking. Not easy when 5+ names are active at once.

You're attaching a feature to a genre based on your limited experiences in a genre.

Those ideas hold back innovation.
I think technology and our ideas can provide a better medium to communication

It's why I keep pushing ppl to think and come up with stuff but I don't want this to be an argument so.
Thanks for letting me know where you're coming from.

Alright, you name every MMO without text chat and I'll name 5 to your 1. It's a staple because almost every game in the genre has it, not because of my limited experience with the genre (which you have no evidence to support your claim).

No, holding back features and calling it innovation is what holds innovation back. If ESO improved on voice chat in a meaningful way then we would be amazed at how well it works. I'm not amazed by things that have been in multiplayer games since the late 90's. Heck, there's not even a push to talk option to cut back on the excess noise. It's pretty barren in terms of innovations.

What's holding you back isn't text chat, it's your inability to adapt to this new style of an mmo, plain and simple.

Excuses after excuses about getting stuff done.

Point fingers all you guys want. At the end of the day, it's either A. You progressed or B. You didn't.


Text chat doesn't level you, text chat just makes it easier.

Doesn't mean you can't.

I never made any claims about progress. I think you quoted the wrong post.

You made claims of "innovation" being held back on certain aspects of this game.

I most certainly did quote the right person
And if you didn't have an issue with progress, what's the issue then?

If you don't have a problem selling, trading, grouping, pvping etc.... then text chat becomes even less important.

I'd rather Cyrodiil didn't turn into the Zerg it is on PC. I would stop playing.

kibukj wrote: »

If ZOS choose not to implement this feature, perhaps a community solution could be worked out? A centralised chat server with various channels for consoles/alliances/zones would certainly be preferable to the PS4 messaging system for me at least.

Individual players and groups may already use third-party text communication methods, but a centralised place would be nice, and while it would never be as accessible as built-in text chat, it should offer most of the same benefits as a global/zone chat, if only on a smaller scale.

Having two screens to watch is not optimal in my opinion, but that's what we've already been doing for some things like bites, finding guilds, etc. If someone can do what you're suggesting, it could be a little better though. ^^

It makes no sense to have anything different from what pc has. We have enough proof from other games that have successfully pulled of a text chat like that on consoles, so why would eso on the Consoles need anything different?

It makes zero sense.

senhavran wrote: »

Here's an official response on the matter from Twitch :

ZOS_Jessica_Folsom: For those asking about text chat on console, we do see all the requests for it (on our forums, social media channels, reddit, etc.), but we don't have anything new to share about the topic.

Sad to here, but commenting on this subject is wearing me out. I am just going to assume that text chat is never going to come. It will make things harder for me, but not impossible. I think having guild website and other resources will be even more important for my guild without text chat. I still hope that text chat will be added. I also hope theyes will implement some new quality of life changes because of now they have not shared any news about changes coming to console UI.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

It makes no sense to have anything different from what pc has. We have enough proof from other games that have successfully pulled of a text chat like that on consoles, so why would eso on the Consoles need anything different?

It makes zero sense.

What are you talking about....it makes 100% sense for consoles games to differ from PC just based on the peripherals alone

Cmon

Why is that? It's not like no keyboards can be used along with XboX and PS and it's not like no other MMORPGs on consoles have text chat.

senhavran wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

It makes no sense to have anything different from what pc has. We have enough proof from other games that have successfully pulled of a text chat like that on consoles, so why would eso on the Consoles need anything different?

It makes zero sense.

What are you talking about....it makes 100% sense for consoles games to differ from PC just based on the peripherals alone

Cmon

Why is that? It's not like no keyboards can be used along with XboX and PS and it's not like no other MMORPGs on consoles have text chat.

You guys need to take your heads outta the sand.
MMO just means massive multiplayer online. Nothing is attached to that requirement other than lots of players online playing a game.

You're trying to make an argument that's basically a PC experience or in some but very few cases a PC to console port where the DeVs neglected to rework their game to work on both with different UI's is somehow a good example of what ZOS should do. Those are half-assed attempts that offer poor experiences which is why you don't play those games and have moved to a better developed game.

See from all the examples that are given for text chat on consoles...the UI looks very similar to PC so basically it's a PC game with button confit changes for console.

This is a completely different UI on PC than console.
Even further there are lots of things you can do on PC that aren't possible for console by design.

Basically when you suggest adding text chat to consoles you're actually suggesting to add full keyboard support.
With that comes other requirements by console like how does the PsP do this. How does smartglass work with this
What keyboards are supported and which are not. What happens to the UI

There are reasons it was not put on there in the first place and regardless of how any of us feel about being there or not being there...it's not there.

Will it be added...as of now it sounds like no
Will some sort of typing to communicate be added, it sounds like a chat bubble is a possibility but not being worked on.

Coming up with ideas that take a different approach to me is logical considering what we know and what has been shared but that hasn't taken root since April in umpteen different threads.

It's time to adjust or make a decision and move on for your personal entertainment.

Eriquito3 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

It makes no sense to have anything different from what pc has. We have enough proof from other games that have successfully pulled of a text chat like that on consoles, so why would eso on the Consoles need anything different?

It makes zero sense.

What are you talking about....it makes 100% sense for consoles games to differ from PC just based on the peripherals alone

Cmon

Let me reexplain this to you... because you obviously didn't understand it the first time.


If other mmo's on consoles have a succefull text chat... why shouldn't eso????

That is as plain as I could put it.

Don't you know it's because those other games are still living in the dark ages and ESO is "innovating" and "revolutionizing" the MMO genre by not having it. Duh.

And here I thought the new consoles were built on the x86 architecture to make it easier to port games between the different platforms. Apparently ZOS didn't get the memo and felt they needed to waste time and development money to rebuild the game from the ground up so the "stupid" consolers could play.

Great job!

senhavran wrote: »

Here's an official response on the matter from Twitch :

ZOS_Jessica_Folsom: For those asking about text chat on console, we do see all the requests for it (on our forums, social media channels, reddit, etc.), but we don't have anything new to share about the topic.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nosam wrote: »

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Take this however you want but what I've shared has been in efforts to help.
Having been apart of this community for approx 2 years I've learned a lot and try to share those experiences with others.

I realize ppl don't want to agree or compromise or listen and or want to be heard, argue etc but having been around for a long time there are trends.

This company talks about what they want to work on and even comments on things they like. They address things that won't happen and often never restate that.

It's how things are done...for whatever it's worth to you I won't be going anywhere anytime soon as I'm a longtime supporter of this game and the company who developed it.

I've been following much of the DeVs since 1999-ish so I'm not going anywhere cause I like what they produce.

Don't care how long you have supported something.

Zos statement in the twitch channel today obliterated your constant defective statements and refer all to the videos in your sig as supposed "proof" that they were not going to add a text chat like pc to console.

And to top it off I'm still waiting

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Here's an official response on the matter from Twitch :

ZOS_Jessica_Folsom: For those asking about text chat on console, we do see all the requests for it (on our forums, social media channels, reddit, etc.), but we don't have anything new to share about the topic.

Spoiler Alert...
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NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nosam wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nosam wrote: »

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Take this however you want but what I've shared has been in efforts to help.
Having been apart of this community for approx 2 years I've learned a lot and try to share those experiences with others.

I realize ppl don't want to agree or compromise or listen and or want to be heard, argue etc but having been around for a long time there are trends.

This company talks about what they want to work on and even comments on things they like. They address things that won't happen and often never restate that.

It's how things are done...for whatever it's worth to you I won't be going anywhere anytime soon as I'm a longtime supporter of this game and the company who developed it.

I've been following much of the DeVs since 1999-ish so I'm not going anywhere cause I like what they produce.

...

And there you o with the insults...
By the way I'm pretty sure I'm older or at least as old as you but that's of no concern to you.

This format right here and how the interactions occur are definitely deterring the idea to add text chat.

I keep trying to avoid the arguments, name calling and off topic comments.
I continue to offer ideas and compromises but here we are ...

If you're actually older than me which makes you well into your 40's and this is how you communicate think about it.

Most gamers are younger and more immature than both of us.

If we can't communicate in the forms without issues why on earth would they bring this issue over to an in-game experience.

Think about it...seriously...as again they ArE reading the forums

You tell people what they should or shouldn't talk about. Think about that. You are anything but helpful.


And you are the one who tried the "I've been here X long *** , and you've been following them since 99" etc , but when thrown back in your face then it's an insult.

You think you are coming off any better than anyone else ? That's the most amusing part.

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mrskinskull wrote: »

Akerith wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Here's an official response on the matter from Twitch :

ZOS_Jessica_Folsom: For those asking about text chat on console, we do see all the requests for it (on our forums, social media channels, reddit, etc.), but we don't have anything new to share about the topic.

I do have something new to share with you Zenimad,I'm selling the game.
Next time you develop a MMORPG try to actually care about your customers.
Had a good run,good luck guys.

REALLY?

The product you were promised arrived exactly as demonstrated in the beta and because the developers didn't drop everything to accommodate a niche demand, you are going to burn your disc?

That seems like a mature and rational decision.

Best of luck.

Well, if that's the decision he's come to, then it's his to make. I won't stop him, more loot for me.

I'm not really sure what's going on with this topic anymore. Did they really confirm that text chat wasn't coming any time soon?

senhavran wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Akerith wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Here's an official response on the matter from Twitch :

ZOS_Jessica_Folsom: For those asking about text chat on console, we do see all the requests for it (on our forums, social media channels, reddit, etc.), but we don't have anything new to share about the topic.

I do have something new to share with you Zenimad,I'm selling the game.
Next time you develop a MMORPG try to actually care about your customers.
Had a good run,good luck guys.

REALLY?

The product you were promised arrived exactly as demonstrated in the beta and because the developers didn't drop everything to accommodate a niche demand, you are going to burn your disc?

That seems like a mature and rational decision.

Best of luck.

Well, if that's the decision he's come to, then it's his to make. I won't stop him, more loot for me.

I'm not really sure what's going on with this topic anymore. Did they really confirm that text chat wasn't coming any time soon?

No, they just said that they have nothing new to say about it at this time, so it's not a no nor a yes.

Oh, I see.

Well, let me add something to the conversation that I was recently thinking about. It might not be possible to add text chat to the console versions. Bioware tried to add text chat to Mass Effect 3's multiplayer due to public outcry, and they simply could not implement a text chat system that was reliable, not even to PC. This might be something that just isn't doable. It's possible that it winds up being a project that requires massive code rewriting and the trade off isn't worth the end result. Remember, it's not as simple as pushing a button and instant text chat.

Nosam wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nosam wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nosam wrote: »

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Take this however you want but what I've shared has been in efforts to help.
Having been apart of this community for approx 2 years I've learned a lot and try to share those experiences with others.

I realize ppl don't want to agree or compromise or listen and or want to be heard, argue etc but having been around for a long time there are trends.

This company talks about what they want to work on and even comments on things they like. They address things that won't happen and often never restate that.

It's how things are done...for whatever it's worth to you I won't be going anywhere anytime soon as I'm a longtime supporter of this game and the company who developed it.

I've been following much of the DeVs since 1999-ish so I'm not going anywhere cause I like what they produce.

...

And there you o with the insults...
By the way I'm pretty sure I'm older or at least as old as you but that's of no concern to you.

This format right here and how the interactions occur are definitely deterring the idea to add text chat.

I keep trying to avoid the arguments, name calling and off topic comments.
I continue to offer ideas and compromises but here we are ...

If you're actually older than me which makes you well into your 40's and this is how you communicate think about it.

Most gamers are younger and more immature than both of us.

If we can't communicate in the forms without issues why on earth would they bring this issue over to an in-game experience.

Think about it...seriously...as again they ArE reading the forums

You tell people what they should or shouldn't talk about. Think about that. You are anything but helpful.


And you are the one who tried the "I've been here X long *** , and you've been following them since 99" etc , but when thrown back in your face then it's an insult.

You think you are coming off any better than anyone else ? That's the most amusing part.

Ok I'm sharing with you based on past events that you were not apart of my suggestions because I see the road you're going down and learned where it ended.
Doing the same actions will result in the same outcome.

I'm suggesting to try something different. No idea why you feel that should come with insults or attacks.

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senhavran wrote: »

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Akerith wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Here's an official response on the matter from Twitch :

ZOS_Jessica_Folsom: For those asking about text chat on console, we do see all the requests for it (on our forums, social media channels, reddit, etc.), but we don't have anything new to share about the topic.

I do have something new to share with you Zenimad,I'm selling the game.
Next time you develop a MMORPG try to actually care about your customers.
Had a good run,good luck guys.

REALLY?

The product you were promised arrived exactly as demonstrated in the beta and because the developers didn't drop everything to accommodate a niche demand, you are going to burn your disc?

That seems like a mature and rational decision.

Best of luck.

Well, if that's the decision he's come to, then it's his to make. I won't stop him, more loot for me.

I'm not really sure what's going on with this topic anymore. Did they really confirm that text chat wasn't coming any time soon?

No, they just said that they have nothing new to say about it at this time, so it's not a no nor a yes.

Well, they have said no, in the past... and since they having nothing new to say...

I'm thinking it's one of those ways of saying no without actually saying no. They're toying with your emotions. Those clever villains.

We never had a straight "No we won't ever add text chat to the console version, ever." :P Instead we had:

"Is it possible we could have a text chat? Yes. Will we? I don’t think we can safely say one way or another. It probably is safe to say if we add a more text centric way to chat it won’t be a straight chat window." from Paul Sage 2 months ago, before he left ZOS. You can read his whole reply on Reddit.

And then on twitch chat during ESO live today:

"ZOS_Jessica_Folsom: For those asking about text chat on console, we do see all the requests for it (on our forums, social media channels, reddit, etc.), but we don't have anything new to share about the topic."

Understand it the way you want, though.

They point blank said no to the text chat box.
They said maybe to radial chat ideas...let's build on that