mistermutiny89 wrote: »

To everyone that voted no I implore you to check out and play Warframe on Xbox One. In the first hour of gameplay see if you are invited to an active personilised guild, taken to some higher level areas that you wouldn't normally get to visit or pass til much later, get in touch with an amazing community happy to help you out and then try to do the same on ESO for console. ESO is a cold, dark and lonely experience if you don't have anyone you know from the real world playing it. The only interactions I've had with people in ESO is a couple of dances here and there or people scamming me or asking for free things.

We need text chat! For gods sakes I finished cad wells gold a month ago and I still can't find a group for Craglorn! If we had text chat a community would truly form not this sad excuse for a forum where every time a new player asks a question the five star supremacy tells them their thread is a waste of time and that their opinions are worthless (this happens daily). Text chat for console will give us consolers a community of our own and keep us playing longer!

Respectfully after having played Warframe and Neverwinter vs TESO on PC and Xbox One ...those experiences are what influence my vote to a no. I'm not 100% adverse to other adjustments nor am I against a text chat within the social window but that's just where I am

Regarding finding groups tho...your social options (friends list from other games and those you met here) should offer plenty of opportunities to group.

Take a day and play and talk in social chat...tons of cool ppl are more than willing to play.
If you don't know many hit me up on Xbox one. I'll introduce you to some

Bleakraven wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

To everyone that voted no I implore you to check out and play Warframe on Xbox One. In the first hour of gameplay see if you are invited to an active personilised guild, taken to some higher level areas that you wouldn't normally get to visit or pass til much later, get in touch with an amazing community happy to help you out and then try to do the same on ESO for console. ESO is a cold, dark and lonely experience if you don't have anyone you know from the real world playing it. The only interactions I've had with people in ESO is a couple of dances here and there or people scamming me or asking for free things.

We need text chat! For gods sakes I finished cad wells gold a month ago and I still can't find a group for Craglorn! If we had text chat a community would truly form not this sad excuse for a forum where every time a new player asks a question the five star supremacy tells them their thread is a waste of time and that their opinions are worthless (this happens daily). Text chat for console will give us consolers a community of our own and keep us playing longer!

Respectfully after having played Warframe and Neverwinter vs TESO on PC and Xbox One ...those experiences are what influence my vote to a no. I'm not 100% adverse to other adjustments nor am I against a text chat within the social window but that's just where I am

Regarding finding groups tho...your social options (friends list from other games and those you met here) should offer plenty of opportunities to group.

Take a day and play and talk in social chat...tons of cool ppl are more than willing to play.
If you don't know many hit me up on Xbox one. I'll introduce you to some

There's plenty who just started on the PS4 or have used it only for single player games. I only have a couple of friends on PS4, while on PC, I had several friends after a month of play. Why? Because I would answer random peoples' questions about the game and lore, help them with world bosses and otherwise be able to participate in discussions while questing with random people via text chat. Now? I have to be CLOSE to people to be able to communicate with them unless I'm in a guild. So I can't do all of that anymore. I still check world boss spots when I'm travelling by, but it's useless. I want to interact with the community, not just with who is nearby.

So... interact! Join a few guilds for pvp and a few for pve, plenty of socializing to go around.

Eshelmen wrote: »

Bleakraven wrote: »

There's plenty who just started on the PS4 or have used it only for single player games. I only have a couple of friends on PS4, while on PC, I had several friends after a month of play. Why? Because I would answer random peoples' questions about the game and lore, help them with world bosses and otherwise be able to participate in discussions while questing with random people via text chat. Now? I have to be CLOSE to people to be able to communicate with them unless I'm in a guild. So I can't do all of that anymore. I still check world boss spots when I'm travelling by, but it's useless. I want to interact with the community, not just with who is nearby.

So... interact! Join a few guilds for pvp and a few for pve, plenty of socializing to go around.

Thats if one can find a guild. Without text chat, recruiters have no way to advertise and so they are difficult to find. I got lucky one time and had a recruiter spam me an invite coming out of the bank, but it never happened again..

I must say though, no text chat does make pvp less Zerg heavy, but that's a bad reason to not have text chat. Zos just needs to add some small scale arena modes or add some mechanics that discourage zerging

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Sorry triplets lmao.
You guys really...
Actually this just keeps bumping their thread which they don't appreciate.

That's what I don't get about the people telling me not to comment.


Smurf and I are actually helping by steering the conversation from the gutter and into functional, possible alternatives and in doing so bring attention to the issue.


Respectfully, this thread keeps sinking to page 5 because there's no actual interest in formulaic HUD clutter text chat.

Steering the conversation into options that people may be open to and are feasible from a technical standpoint seems helpful.

I really don't get the hostility.

Ya noone is interested in it except the 400 people who voted for it lol o.O

Yaay I'm sure all of those PC people who voted in a completely biased poll taken from the niche group of players who actually visit the forums, will be really happy to see the game succeed without text chat, y'know like it is without text chat.

I say this is a niche cause because obviously it is. This thread sinks without the occasional suggestion from smurf, and then as thanks he gets well, let's say rudeness.

The percentage of actual console players who voted here is tiny.

Text chat will be added the minute that the cluttered ui doesn't scare off the casual player base.

I know some people don't like the fact that ESO is bringing MMOs to a broad audience and introducing new players who might never have bothered with this type of game to a new fun experience.

But this very pragmatic move to shy away from the isolating trappings of standard mmo stuff is going to mean success for ESO.


You have no idea the amount of people I talk with that say within the first two sentences the words 'I don't normally play this kind of game'.

But there they are. Playing an awesome game that we all love and bringing in tons of revenue while they are at it.

Destiny avoided using mmo terminology and outdated communication tech for the same reasons.

What's the number one grossing game today?

Candy crush.



If a company has the option to take a lot of money from one customer, a hard core, or a little bit of money from a thousand casuals who can pick the game up and easily play, it makes more sense for them to keep out the hardcore crunchy stuff until long after the player is hooked.



Why is DC online free to play?

Because its complicated HUD scares away casuals who might have paid for it.

Why is ESO still rockin at 60$ ?

Because it makes a good live stream.

It looks classy.


Try to think of text chat as a vegetarian offering at a restaurant.


Sure its good for you.


Sure its probably going to help your stomach communicate with your colon better and more often.


Sure it seems simple to provide if you don't think about the massive farming infrastructure and labor abuses, or market fluctuations that can put farmers who try to oblige the vegetarians out of business.


But one thing I know from experience is that


People get REALLY annoyed when you try to push your personal preferences into them.

From my own personal experience, long silences usually are a precurser to everyone switching tables with me at the steak house.

Cheers.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

To everyone that voted no I implore you to check out and play Warframe on Xbox One. In the first hour of gameplay see if you are invited to an active personilised guild, taken to some higher level areas that you wouldn't normally get to visit or pass til much later, get in touch with an amazing community happy to help you out and then try to do the same on ESO for console. ESO is a cold, dark and lonely experience if you don't have anyone you know from the real world playing it. The only interactions I've had with people in ESO is a couple of dances here and there or people scamming me or asking for free things.

We need text chat! For gods sakes I finished cad wells gold a month ago and I still can't find a group for Craglorn! If we had text chat a community would truly form not this sad excuse for a forum where every time a new player asks a question the five star supremacy tells them their thread is a waste of time and that their opinions are worthless (this happens daily). Text chat for console will give us consolers a community of our own and keep us playing longer!

Respectfully after having played Warframe and Neverwinter vs TESO on PC and Xbox One ...those experiences are what influence my vote to a no. I'm not 100% adverse to other adjustments nor am I against a text chat within the social window but that's just where I am

Regarding finding groups tho...your social options (friends list from other games and those you met here) should offer plenty of opportunities to group.

Take a day and play and talk in social chat...tons of cool ppl are more than willing to play.
If you don't know many hit me up on Xbox one. I'll introduce you to some

Yeah , i really don't know how people can make it to end game and not have accidentally made at least one friend.

Voice chat is full of people in towns but there are tons of places where it thins out.

I just made a five new buddies in Ares chat last night. I invited them to the guild and there they met a few more people.


Some of those people were reluctant to use the mic but after a few minutes , they saw the guild was low pressure convo, boom mic on fun starts

Eshelmen wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Bleakraven wrote: »

There's plenty who just started on the PS4 or have used it only for single player games. I only have a couple of friends on PS4, while on PC, I had several friends after a month of play. Why? Because I would answer random peoples' questions about the game and lore, help them with world bosses and otherwise be able to participate in discussions while questing with random people via text chat. Now? I have to be CLOSE to people to be able to communicate with them unless I'm in a guild. So I can't do all of that anymore. I still check world boss spots when I'm travelling by, but it's useless. I want to interact with the community, not just with who is nearby.

So... interact! Join a few guilds for pvp and a few for pve, plenty of socializing to go around.

Thats if one can find a guild. Without text chat, recruiters have no way to advertise and so they are difficult to find. I got lucky one time and had a recruiter spam me an invite coming out of the bank, but it never happened again..

You know, I hate to be the Buzz kill, but this thread is full of excuses for not putting in effort to finding such things.
Text chat can do this, text chat can do that, fine. But what is now in the game, is the best we can do.

And if I can find several guilds whom are very active, can find several players with connections for other guilds and what not, then so can most of the rest of us.

In PVP, it's highly unlikely you would grind to rank 50 with out some sort of group involved in between.


Someone showed some sort of the "ropes" to us in Cyrodiil, and if they haven't, just promote you're looking for a group.
To be honest, since players are more focused on coordinating in PVP than PVE, take advantage of this and find new connections.

I now have personal business connections regarding foods, potions and what not too. On top of that, the several guilds and guild vendors I know to help me along the way.

Excuse after excuse, there is a reason we are still flourishing in this game.

Let's not throw out the potentially creative side of getting stuff done with out a text chat.

I mean no offense, but, if something isn't working, change how you approach things.

OK this guy is an MVP.


PvP is a great suggestion for grouping, because I often gather random for a second zerg group right at the way shrines.

I know many guilds do. Any temp group that rolls you in, will absolutely in vote you to their guild.

Don't be shy, just ask.

I would bet money on multiple guild offers.

Speaking of which,

Anyone on PS 4 n a server on the EB pact, message me and I will happily welcome you into my crafting guild.

Curious question tho....
I don't know that I've seen many who do want text chat added, respond to this question...

If the devs respond as having no interest to add a text chat box on consoles like whats on PC (regardless of the reason) how do you respond?

Do you quit asking?
Do you leave the game until a later DLC or update?
Do you continue polling and creating threads/hijacking other threads?

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Curious question tho....
I don't know that I've seen many who do want text chat added, respond to this question...

If the devs respond as having no interest to add a text chat box on consoles like whats on PC (regardless of the reason) how do you respond?

Do you quit asking?
Do you leave the game until a later DLC or update?
Do you continue polling and creating threads/hijacking other threads?

I went into FFXIV and refreshed my memory on the UI and roamed around a bit to catch the vibe. The new expansion is supposedly hot, but I really wasn't interested. My toon is ilvl 121, so if ZOS really comes out and nixes text, I'll go back to FFXIV out of frustration and possibly start playing Witcher in between. I don't know if I can go back to DCUO. Both ESO and FFXIV are better games even if the UI and communication hub is better on DCUO. I can't do a raid with dudes flying everywhere anymore, lol. Maybe it's just pride, I don't know.

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Curious question tho....
I don't know that I've seen many who do want text chat added, respond to this question...

If the devs respond as having no interest to add a text chat box on consoles like whats on PC (regardless of the reason) how do you respond?

Do you quit asking?
Do you leave the game until a later DLC or update?
Do you continue polling and creating threads/hijacking other threads?

I went into FFXIV and refreshed my memory on the UI and roamed around a bit to catch the vibe. The new expansion is supposedly hot, but I really wasn't interested. My toon is ilvl 121, so if ZOS really comes out and nixes text, I'll go back to FFXIV out of frustration and possibly start playing Witcher in between. I don't know if I can go back to DCUO. Both ESO and FFXIV are better games even if the UI and communication hub is better on DCUO. I can't do a raid with dudes flying everywhere anymore, lol. Maybe it's just pride, I don't know.

Did you play dcuo on playstation or pc? Just wondering because I played on the ps3 for a few years.

Planning on repeatedly asking in the ESO live chat , along with many others , to enjoy watching them duck every important issue again. It's not like they actually answer anything important on Ask Us Anything , but at least I get to watch them actively duck all the real questions people are asking.

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

You know, I hate to be the Buzz kill, but this thread is full of excuses for not putting in effort to finding such things.
Text chat can do this, text chat can do that, fine. But what is now in the game, is the best we can do.

It could be that the best we can do is just stand around banks or busy buildings hoping someone spams an invite, but still Id like to believe there is a better way..

Eshelmen wrote: »

And if I can find several guilds whom are very active, can find several players with connections for other guilds and what not, then so can most of the rest of us.

So why not let the most of the rest of us in on your secret?

Eshelmen wrote: »

In PVP, it's highly unlikely you would grind to rank 50 with out some sort of group involved in between.

The 2 or 3 times Ive done PVP on PC, cant say I had a problem finding a group. Never did it on console, as Im not a PVP player anyway. Just basically a PVE player, who is looking for a good trading guild, and a PUG once in a while..

Eshelmen wrote: »

Someone showed some sort of the "ropes" to us in Cyrodiil, and if they haven't, just promote you're looking for a group.

Well that is the issue, isnt it? Without the text chat, I know of no way to promote LFG.. Heck forget LFG, I still cant even figure out how to call out for help at a dolmen, which frustrated me to the point of leaving console.

Just commenting on "let us in on your secret"

-When I play I often throw up a text emote followed with prix voice chat while grinding, and questing.
Also I do the console thingy - jump around silly to let ppl know I want their attn or use the silly emotes like play dead or flip coin and sit chair.

Always begin with hello!
Voice chat as well. hi , do you mind if I quest with you or would you like to party up to kill XYZ for a bit.

-I always send out a group invite if it looks like a player is doing the same things as I and I'm very friendly cause I don't know them and vice versa.

-when in towns I turn off prox chat as more than likely it's not the best way to meet ppl
(Exceptions) banks and crafting stations are a great place to listen to others. If you hear a topic speak to the name on the screen and ask them to follow u (just to get out of the 25 raidius of others...talk, trade or whatever and go back)

-whenever you play with anyone for 30 mins or longer that's prob a good person to friend invite.
If you begin aging with them more than once make them a fav and ask about who else they play with or a guild.

-play the game socially just like you would in real life. Be yourself and do not try to mimic text chat behaviors in voice chat.

-one person speak at a time and never be sarcastic nor rude and don't keep your mic open. Mute it unless you are speaking

If you see someone fighting go help them.
If they are dying go heal them
If they are dead, go Rez them
If they are a lone fight with them solo or in a group


Nothing really mind blowing or scientific...but this is how I've met and added 200+ ppl so far either as a friend or not a friend but as a guild

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

To everyone that voted no I implore you to check out and play Warframe on Xbox One. In the first hour of gameplay see if you are invited to an active personilised guild, taken to some higher level areas that you wouldn't normally get to visit or pass til much later, get in touch with an amazing community happy to help you out and then try to do the same on ESO for console. ESO is a cold, dark and lonely experience if you don't have anyone you know from the real world playing it. The only interactions I've had with people in ESO is a couple of dances here and there or people scamming me or asking for free things.

We need text chat! For gods sakes I finished cad wells gold a month ago and I still can't find a group for Craglorn! If we had text chat a community would truly form not this sad excuse for a forum where every time a new player asks a question the five star supremacy tells them their thread is a waste of time and that their opinions are worthless (this happens daily). Text chat for console will give us consolers a community of our own and keep us playing longer!

Respectfully after having played Warframe and Neverwinter vs TESO on PC and Xbox One ...those experiences are what influence my vote to a no. I'm not 100% adverse to other adjustments nor am I against a text chat within the social window but that's just where I am

Regarding finding groups tho...your social options (friends list from other games and those you met here) should offer plenty of opportunities to group.

Take a day and play and talk in social chat...tons of cool ppl are more than willing to play.
If you don't know many hit me up on Xbox one. I'll introduce you to some

And respectfully this is where you are wrong. Let's take Warframe, which I have well over 1k hours played on. When a player joins Clan chat and asks a question I can PM them and answer their questions while also communicating with everyone in clan chat and still have a voice conversation with my group while preparing for a run. This type of communication, or at least efficienct communication, is impossible currently in ESO.

If I want to organize a group run I am unable to make jokes or catch up on current events in clan chat, and there is no way I can give advice or help individual players at the same time. If you can outline how you can do all three things I mentioned at once in ESO please let me know because without text chat I find it impossible, especially since I can receive a PM in-game during a run, have the entire chat log available, and get back to them when I have time.

Text chat is not strictly better than voice chat but it does make a lot of things much easier. Often I get PMs while running a mission in Warframe and I can respond to them when I have time. I don't need a PSN or Xbox message to notify me that someone wants to talk and then have to exit the game/use a mobile phone to read it. It's just far more efficient to have both methods of communication. Don't even get me started on trades as Warframe's text chat is horrid, but ESO's voice chat is so much worse.

Very much agree with you Glyph. I don't want to use a headset and voice at all , just text , but I cannot imagine how someone who uses voice some wouldn't want the advantages of text also. A combination of whatever works easiest for you at that time. I've seen no one ask for no voice , myself included , and cannot grasp why others do not want others to have options. I don't use dps meters for example , but have no problem with people that love them. Seems to be some want people to play their way only , which I don't get.

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

To everyone that voted no I implore you to check out and play Warframe on Xbox One. In the first hour of gameplay see if you are invited to an active personilised guild, taken to some higher level areas that you wouldn't normally get to visit or pass til much later, get in touch with an amazing community happy to help you out and then try to do the same on ESO for console. ESO is a cold, dark and lonely experience if you don't have anyone you know from the real world playing it. The only interactions I've had with people in ESO is a couple of dances here and there or people scamming me or asking for free things.

We need text chat! For gods sakes I finished cad wells gold a month ago and I still can't find a group for Craglorn! If we had text chat a community would truly form not this sad excuse for a forum where every time a new player asks a question the five star supremacy tells them their thread is a waste of time and that their opinions are worthless (this happens daily). Text chat for console will give us consolers a community of our own and keep us playing longer!

Respectfully after having played Warframe and Neverwinter vs TESO on PC and Xbox One ...those experiences are what influence my vote to a no. I'm not 100% adverse to other adjustments nor am I against a text chat within the social window but that's just where I am

Regarding finding groups tho...your social options (friends list from other games and those you met here) should offer plenty of opportunities to group.

Take a day and play and talk in social chat...tons of cool ppl are more than willing to play.
If you don't know many hit me up on Xbox one. I'll introduce you to some

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

To everyone that voted no I implore you to check out and play Warframe on Xbox One. In the first hour of gameplay see if you are invited to an active personilised guild, taken to some higher level areas that you wouldn't normally get to visit or pass til much later, get in touch with an amazing community happy to help you out and then try to do the same on ESO for console. ESO is a cold, dark and lonely experience if you don't have anyone you know from the real world playing it. The only interactions I've had with people in ESO is a couple of dances here and there or people scamming me or asking for free things.

We need text chat! For gods sakes I finished cad wells gold a month ago and I still can't find a group for Craglorn! If we had text chat a community would truly form not this sad excuse for a forum where every time a new player asks a question the five star supremacy tells them their thread is a waste of time and that their opinions are worthless (this happens daily). Text chat for console will give us consolers a community of our own and keep us playing longer!

Respectfully after having played Warframe and Neverwinter vs TESO on PC and Xbox One ...those experiences are what influence my vote to a no. I'm not 100% adverse to other adjustments nor am I against a text chat within the social window but that's just where I am

Regarding finding groups tho...your social options (friends list from other games and those you met here) should offer plenty of opportunities to group.

Take a day and play and talk in social chat...tons of cool ppl are more than willing to play.
If you don't know many hit me up on Xbox one. I'll introduce you to some

And respectfully this is where you are wrong. Let's take Warframe, which I have well over 1k hours played on. When a player joins Clan chat and asks a question I can PM them and answer their questions while also communicating with everyone in clan chat and still have a voice conversation with my group while preparing for a run. This type of communication, or at least efficienct communication, is impossible currently in ESO.

If I want to organize a group run I am unable to make jokes or catch up on current events in clan chat, and there is no way I can give advice or help individual players at the same time. If you can outline how you can do all three things I mentioned at once in ESO please let me know because without text chat I find it impossible, especially since I can receive a PM in-game during a run, have the entire chat log available, and get back to them when I have time.

Text chat is not strictly better than voice chat but it does make a lot of things much easier. Often I get PMs while running a mission in Warframe and I can respond to them when I have time. I don't need a PSN or Xbox message to notify me that someone wants to talk and then have to exit the game/use a mobile phone to read it. It's just far more efficient to have both methods of communication. Don't even get me started on trades as Warframe's text chat is horrid, but ESO's voice chat is so much worse.

It's impossible to communicate via text chat WHILE playing.
Also, as this forum provides a great example...many ppl all talking at once are not paying attn to others.
It's many diff convos going on at once vs this game where in group, party, proximity or guild voice chats you have to listen and wait your turn.

You learn much more about others and honestly can get more done in addition to answering someone questions that others have. When done via voice it's without interruption.

If you prefer text chat over voice...that's fine but neither my comments nor your are "reasons" to add the feature. It's just preferences which exist on different platforms and games to our preferences.
I personally choose not to play console games that use text chat because of some of my comments but more so because of what happens indicative in this thread but add in spamming.

For me tats reason enough not to add it in. It's also why I moved from PC to console after playing on PC since 2013 closed BETa.

Warframe and Neverwinter are also completely different types of a MMO game as far as gameplay.
And their developers goals were to create a very traditional MMO feel whereas ZOS hopes to create a different TES experience with online play.
The very basic approach from day one was to make the game as much as possible look like TES
PC just has to have text chat as it makes sense to where a players hands are whereas console is gonna be different.
It's suppose to feel like TES and not like a MMO