What new races could there be?

Gidorick · August 2015

Minnesinger wrote: »

In one of their Twitch.tv sessions they lightly mentioned Dwemers in their possible futute plans. I can´t remember whether it was asked or they just mentioned it. As they own the rights to ES lore nothing bounds them if they want to introduce stories including Dwemers. What if they are a playable race? Hmm that can be disputable decision. What comes to my preferences I really would like to see Dwemer story in ESO.

With all the time travel in ESO, I wouldn't be surprised.

Our being responsible for the whole disappearance of the Dwemer would be cool.

starkerealm · August 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

They're not even close to how they're described in lore books. Just because something has 'Akaviri' stamped next to it, doesn't mean it fits in with the actual lore. The Tsaesci were unsuccessful in consuming Dragons (only Dragonborn can kill Dragons) thus not able to take on their appearance. That is the very, very short version as I really don't want to bore everyone. And that's even ignoring the glaring holes in the DK's fighting style. None of it makes sense according to the lore. Magic? No, the Akaviri/blades were more about swordmanship than magic.

Then there's the fact every DK (going on the descriptions from lore books) would need to be Dragonborn. Again, not possible purely going by the lore books.

Who said anything about eating or destroying dragons? Considering that ESO takes place before the codified spell schools of the third era, it's not much of a stretch to suggest the Akaviri obsession with dragons spilled over into a mix of (what would later be classified as) Destruction, Restoration, and Alteration in an attempt to be more like the beings they were trying to emulate. Nothing I've seen in ESO suggests the Dragon Knights are actually successful at that, just that they're practicing magic.

Given the general stupidity and bravado of most dragon knights (in the lore books), it's not particularly surprising the order managed to cull itself from existence.

If this was a setting that didn't already have forms of magic that broke the rules of how magic should work, you might have a better argument. But, unfortunately you're talking about a setting with the Psijjics and Greybeards wander loose. So suggesting that there can't be other forms of magic out there is kind of absurd.

Honestly, the Dragon Knights are less lore breaking than Dawnguard.

Prof_Bawbag · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

They're not even close to how they're described in lore books. Just because something has 'Akaviri' stamped next to it, doesn't mean it fits in with the actual lore. The Tsaesci were unsuccessful in consuming Dragons (only Dragonborn can kill Dragons) thus not able to take on their appearance. That is the very, very short version as I really don't want to bore everyone. And that's even ignoring the glaring holes in the DK's fighting style. None of it makes sense according to the lore. Magic? No, the Akaviri/blades were more about swordmanship than magic.

Then there's the fact every DK (going on the descriptions from lore books) would need to be Dragonborn. Again, not possible purely going by the lore books.

Who said anything about eating or destroying dragons? Considering that ESO takes place before the codified spell schools of the third era, it's not much of a stretch to suggest the Akaviri obsession with dragons spilled over into a mix of (what would later be classified as) Destruction, Restoration, and Alteration in an attempt to be more like the beings they were trying to emulate. Nothing I've seen in ESO suggests the Dragon Knights are actually successful at that, just that they're practicing magic.

Given the general stupidity and bravado of most dragon knights (in the lore books), it's not particularly surprising the order managed to cull itself from existence.

If this was a setting that didn't already have forms of magic that broke the rules of how magic should work, you might have a better argument. But, unfortunately you're talking about a setting with the Psijjics and Greybeards wander loose. So suggesting that there can't be other forms of magic out there is kind of absurd.

Honestly, the Dragon Knights are less lore breaking than Dawnguard.

Well, you just need to read the DK description itself to see where I'm coming from whether you mentioned eating dragons or not:

Draconic Power – tapping into their draconic bloodline, the Dragonknight can fortify their own defenses and lock down enemies, eliminating foes quickly and brutally.”

The key words being draconic bloodline. The draconic bloodline implies that they're Dragonborn and considering the Akaviri were consumed by the Tsaesci, that would mean the Tsaesci had the ability to consume dragon souls, which they couldn't. Only Dragonborn can. According to everything I have ever read, they'd have all been born with a dragon soul. That being bestowed upon them by Akatosh himself. you can argue whichever way you want, but the fact remains, the DK class has only been included because it sounds cool with little or no thought behind what it should actually entail.

Defilted · August 2015

Akavir (Continent) See Wiki.

There is a whole other continent that has never been used in any game. lots of potential for all kinds of stuff to be added to ESO.

starkerealm · August 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

They're not even close to how they're described in lore books. Just because something has 'Akaviri' stamped next to it, doesn't mean it fits in with the actual lore. The Tsaesci were unsuccessful in consuming Dragons (only Dragonborn can kill Dragons) thus not able to take on their appearance. That is the very, very short version as I really don't want to bore everyone. And that's even ignoring the glaring holes in the DK's fighting style. None of it makes sense according to the lore. Magic? No, the Akaviri/blades were more about swordmanship than magic.

Then there's the fact every DK (going on the descriptions from lore books) would need to be Dragonborn. Again, not possible purely going by the lore books.

Who said anything about eating or destroying dragons? Considering that ESO takes place before the codified spell schools of the third era, it's not much of a stretch to suggest the Akaviri obsession with dragons spilled over into a mix of (what would later be classified as) Destruction, Restoration, and Alteration in an attempt to be more like the beings they were trying to emulate. Nothing I've seen in ESO suggests the Dragon Knights are actually successful at that, just that they're practicing magic.

Given the general stupidity and bravado of most dragon knights (in the lore books), it's not particularly surprising the order managed to cull itself from existence.

If this was a setting that didn't already have forms of magic that broke the rules of how magic should work, you might have a better argument. But, unfortunately you're talking about a setting with the Psijjics and Greybeards wander loose. So suggesting that there can't be other forms of magic out there is kind of absurd.

Honestly, the Dragon Knights are less lore breaking than Dawnguard.

Well, you just need to read the DK description itself to see where I'm coming from whether you mentioned eating dragons or not:

Draconic Power – tapping into their draconic bloodline, the Dragonknight can fortify their own defenses and lock down enemies, eliminating foes quickly and brutally.”

The key words being draconic bloodline. The draconic bloodline implies that they're Dragonborn and considering the Akaviri were consumed by the Tsaesci, that would mean the Tsaesci had the ability to consume dragon souls, which they couldn't. Only Dragonborn can. According to everything I have ever read, they'd have all been born with a dragon soul. That being bestowed upon them by Akatosh himself. you can argue whichever way you want, but the fact remains, the DK class has only been included because it sounds cool with little or no thought behind what it should actually entail.

I missed the part where it said anything about Dragon Knights having the souls of dragons... which might be because it didn't. To be honest, your entire argument is a mess that only makes sense if you haven't really read any lore about Akavir, the Dragonborn, the dragons, and for that matter magic, and the dragon knights themselves, in game.

I get that you don't understand it, and that makes you upset. But, I don't really have the time or energy to walk you through everything you're getting wrong.

Korgly · August 2015

Wyress? Since they're in the game

BlazinAces30 · August 2015

a playable race of trolls

newtinmpls · August 2015

"Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Then there's the fact every DK (going on the descriptions from lore books) would need to be Dragonborn. Again, not possible purely going by the lore books.

I don't think of the two i.e. 'Dragon Knight' and 'Dragonborn' as related in any way other than a coincidence of terminology.

Rolling up my first DK - who is a magicka based dunmer - it's just basically a flame mage.

newtinmpls · August 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

The key words being draconic bloodline. The draconic bloodline implies that they're Dragonborn and considering the Akaviri were consumed by the Tsaesci, that would mean the Tsaesci had the ability to consume dragon souls, which they couldn't. Only Dragonborn can. According to everything I have ever read, they'd have all been born with a dragon soul. That being bestowed upon them by Akatosh himself. you can argue whichever way you want, but the fact remains, the DK class has only been included because it sounds cool with little or no thought behind what it should actually entail.

Being that I hate lore-breaking crap, I go by the whole "presume stupidity rather than malice" and I re-interpet this as a dedication to Akatosh, and the creation of time itself, thus everyone is a Potential "Dragon Knight" (which is also consistant with previous TES games in which anyone could use any skill).

So no, I don't think of them as any sort of Dragonborn - and that is my own personal head-cannon as to why.

UltimaJoe777 · August 2015

Is this thread for discussing new PLAYABLE races or new races entirely? If the former is the case there are plenty: Goblins, Trolls, Ogres, Maormer, Wood Orcs, etc. and that's just from what I see in AD territory! There's also Giants to take into account and Akatosh knows what else.

starkerealm · August 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

The key words being draconic bloodline. The draconic bloodline implies that they're Dragonborn and considering the Akaviri were consumed by the Tsaesci, that would mean the Tsaesci had the ability to consume dragon souls, which they couldn't. Only Dragonborn can. According to everything I have ever read, they'd have all been born with a dragon soul. That being bestowed upon them by Akatosh himself. you can argue whichever way you want, but the fact remains, the DK class has only been included because it sounds cool with little or no thought behind what it should actually entail.

Being that I hate lore-breaking crap, I go by the whole "presume stupidity rather than malice" and I re-interpet this as a dedication to Akatosh, and the creation of time itself, thus everyone is a Potential "Dragon Knight" (which is also consistant with previous TES games in which anyone could use any skill).

So no, I don't think of them as any sort of Dragonborn - and that is my own personal head-cannon as to why.

If you're familiar with the Ka'Po'Tun, and their obsession with trying to turn into dragons, then the DKs make sense and don't really do much damage to the lore on the way through. It's a little weird that the discipline made it to Tamriel, or that non Ka'Po'Tun can practice it. But the idea of trying to physiologically altering yourself into a dragon is not a new concept in The Elder Scrolls, it's just never been front and center like this before.

UrQuan · August 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

They're not even close to how they're described in lore books. Just because something has 'Akaviri' stamped next to it, doesn't mean it fits in with the actual lore. The Tsaesci were unsuccessful in consuming Dragons (only Dragonborn can kill Dragons) thus not able to take on their appearance. That is the very, very short version as I really don't want to bore everyone. And that's even ignoring the glaring holes in the DK's fighting style. None of it makes sense according to the lore. Magic? No, the Akaviri/blades were more about swordmanship than magic.

Then there's the fact every DK (going on the descriptions from lore books) would need to be Dragonborn. Again, not possible purely going by the lore books.

Who said anything about eating or destroying dragons? Considering that ESO takes place before the codified spell schools of the third era, it's not much of a stretch to suggest the Akaviri obsession with dragons spilled over into a mix of (what would later be classified as) Destruction, Restoration, and Alteration in an attempt to be more like the beings they were trying to emulate. Nothing I've seen in ESO suggests the Dragon Knights are actually successful at that, just that they're practicing magic.

Given the general stupidity and bravado of most dragon knights (in the lore books), it's not particularly surprising the order managed to cull itself from existence.

If this was a setting that didn't already have forms of magic that broke the rules of how magic should work, you might have a better argument. But, unfortunately you're talking about a setting with the Psijjics and Greybeards wander loose. So suggesting that there can't be other forms of magic out there is kind of absurd.

Honestly, the Dragon Knights are less lore breaking than Dawnguard.

Well, you just need to read the DK description itself to see where I'm coming from whether you mentioned eating dragons or not:

Draconic Power – tapping into their draconic bloodline, the Dragonknight can fortify their own defenses and lock down enemies, eliminating foes quickly and brutally.”

The key words being draconic bloodline. The draconic bloodline implies that they're Dragonborn and considering the Akaviri were consumed by the Tsaesci, that would mean the Tsaesci had the ability to consume dragon souls, which they couldn't. Only Dragonborn can. According to everything I have ever read, they'd have all been born with a dragon soul. That being bestowed upon them by Akatosh himself. you can argue whichever way you want, but the fact remains, the DK class has only been included because it sounds cool with little or no thought behind what it should actually entail.

Flavour text on an ability's description != lore. It's just a quick blurb to give you a feel for the ability beyond the raw numbers.

You should probably do some reading on what the actual lore is for something before you call it lore-breaking. Here's a good starting point:
http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ardent_Flame:_Draconic_or_Endemic?
The crux of that book that I just linked to is that dragon knights (who only know certain spells based on what was taught to them by other dragon knights) claim that their magical abilities are dragon magic, while those who are actually knowledgeable wizards with a solid understanding of magical principles believe that they're not, and they are simply normal spells that anyone could learn in the same way as any other spell.

starkerealm · August 2015

Also, worth pointing out, with Dragons, we actually know what their form of magic looked like, and the DKs don't practice shouts at all.

Though, the presentation of the DKs as kind of delusional DudeBros, in the lore, amuses the hell out of me.

Eriquito3 · August 2015

randolphbenoit wrote: »

Dwemer

NO!!!

VoidBlue · August 2015

I picked up a notebook that spoke of "horse people" did it mean centuars? Or what?

AngryNord · August 2015

No, it meant horse riders. Similar to how e.g. the Scythians were also called 'horse people'

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · August 2015

Maormer would actually be quite easy to pull off.

Just add a couple of really pale skin colors to the Altmer palette, along with full white eyes and it's done.

Pop a Maormer motif in and walk away to the cheers of the playerbase.

Elektrakosh · August 2015

People want more elves?

I'm sick of the sight of them. I know that Naga are out of the question but I'd like that to be a playable race. Almost anything else than a human or elf. More beast races or subspecies of current beast races.

starkerealm · August 2015

Elektrakosh wrote: »

People want more elves?

I'm sick of the sight of them. I know that Naga are out of the question but I'd like that to be a playable race. Almost anything else than a human or elf. More beast races or subspecies of current beast races.

The problem is, most of the potentially playable races are elves. There are 5 or so potentially playable beast races, but they're all ones that would require some serious lore contortions to get into the game.

Brrrofski · August 2015

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

None. Don't destroy The elder scrolls.

This.

ES playable races are the ones we have. Nothing else would really make sense. They've got their lore pretty nailed on.

starkerealm · August 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

None. Don't destroy The elder scrolls.

This.

ES playable races are the ones we have. Nothing else would really make sense. They've got their lore pretty nailed on.

Because they've never added new playable races to the franchise... wait, why couldn't I roll up an Imperial in Daggerfall or Arena, again?

Elektrakosh · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

The problem is, most of the potentially playable races are elves. There are 5 or so potentially playable beast races, but they're all ones that would require some serious lore contortions to get into the game.

They do lore contortions according to some players. Why not have a pocket of [rumoured extinct race here] or goblins that could be a hero? ,
Imperials became a pack/add-on race and the only Imperials I had come across in game were enemies and a couple of NPCs.

I get that elven races have more potential of being extra races but they should cater for those who want a different experience other than elves and humans and two lousy beast races to choose from. Well it may be just one beast race now, due to horrid changes that may happen to Argonians.

Auldjohn · August 2015

:idea: The long-vanished Dwemer re-appear through some unknown portal...

AngryNord · August 2015

Brrrofski wrote: »

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

None. Don't destroy The elder scrolls.

This.

ES playable races are the ones we have. Nothing else would really make sense. They've got their lore pretty nailed on.

Pretty much this. There aren't really any other races that would be fitting to have running around Tamriel in large numbers.

Lettigall · August 2015

Auldjohn wrote: »

:idea: The long-vanished Dwemer re-appear through some unknown portal...

It can happen in future Elder Scrolls games but not in ESO simply because of timeline!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAV1F7DAlnU

And if the dwemer were added, by explaining that dragon break happened, and ESO timeline is going parallel ES single player games they can't do it without approval of Bethesda. Bethesda will be the ones who decide if and how dwemer reappear!

starkerealm · August 2015

Korgly wrote: »

Wyress? Since they're in the game

They're just Bretons. Same as the Reachmen.

pepperybrine · August 2015

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

None. Don't destroy The elder scrolls.

In daggerfall you couldn't play as an orc, in morrowind you could, did that destroy the franchise?

pepperybrine · August 2015

Nagas wouldn't be a great option, they are immortal

HouLiGaN · August 2015

No NO NO NO... Delete this thread ...

Last MMO i PLayed, went tottaly wrong, when they added a new Race !

PLease do not add a new race... Im scared of the un-balance it will create for some time...

Brrrofski · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Tommy_valkyria wrote: »

None. Don't destroy The elder scrolls.

This.

ES playable races are the ones we have. Nothing else would really make sense. They've got their lore pretty nailed on.

Because they've never added new playable races to the franchise... wait, why couldn't I roll up an Imperial in Daggerfall or Arena, again?

They added it in to in later games, but it made sense. An individual from an extinct race would make no sense. An individual from anotjer continent who tarmriel have been waring with for centuries, would make no sense.