I won't be able to play with my friends anymore in PVP if you implement this patch

Teeba_Shei · August 2015

With the current proposed changes to campaign home/guest and joining off other players into PVP campaigns I won't be able to play with my friends anymore. This game is already unfriendly enough to alts without you making any changes to the way we can join campaigns. There is really only one active campaign on PC now and I've got characters on both DC and AD factions. I had to delete 2 EP vet characters in the past due to this problem, but since then I've given up and just joined off friends to get into campaigns.

Once this change is put in place I will have to choose between playing with my DC or AD friends. To actually switch to play with the other set of friends I would have to change ALL my characters to a different campaign which would take forever.

Don't think I would have a problem? Take a look for yourself....

http://i.imgur.com/Nb9EDvM.jpg

TLDR: I can't join campaigns by traveling to players anymore and I have AD and DC characters. I can't play with my friends after the patch.

Ishammael · August 2015

That is a ton of alts.

Also, agree on the campaign swapping thing. Really like being free to switch around to avoid lag.

Enodoc · August 2015

Can't you pick one campaign with your DC friends and another with your AD friends? The changes to campaign rulesets should mean that all campaigns see more activity after Update 7. There's also still the Group Queue which you can use - if you are grouped, you can queue to join the group leader's Home campaign even if it's not your own Home/Guest campaign.

Teeba_Shei · August 2015

Enodoc wrote: »

Can't you pick one campaign with your DC friends and another with your AD friends? The changes to campaign rulesets should mean that all campaigns see more activity after Update 7. There's also still the Group Queue which you can use - if you are grouped, you can queue to join the group leader's Home campaign even if it's not your own Home/Guest campaign.

Oh, if that's true that's not so bad, but I thought they were removing the ability to join any campaign that wasn't your home/guest. That will still be a major inconvenience though if I have to force them to leave what they are doing in pvp just to help me queue up. The DC/AD different campaign thing won't really work because I don't really have the sway to force them to change from the most populated campaign.

Ryuho · August 2015

So still we will be able to travel to party leader between campaigns?? Confrim please. @Enodoc

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2015

Ryuho wrote: »

So still we will be able to travel to party leader between campaigns?? Confrim please. @Enodoc

It's true, there is a thread about it in the alliance war forum, a comment Wheeler made.

Enodoc · August 2015

Ryuho wrote: »

So still we will be able to travel to party leader between campaigns?? Confrim please. @Enodoc

Yep, but it's through the Queue rather than /traveltoleader. Haven't tried it on PTS, so I have no idea if it actually works. Reading it again, it's potentially any group member as well, not just the leader.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

In the upcoming Imperial City patch we have disabled the ability to use “Jump to Group leader” in PVP Zones however we have not disabled the ability to queue with group mates via the Campaign Queue’ing system. This means if player A is assigned to Haderus and player B is assigned to Chillrend and they are grouped, they can queue to join the others Home assignment. They cannot join each other’s Guest assignment however. A lot of feedback and concerns have been mentioned about getting stuck in a campaign that you might not want to be in, and this change is partially to address that.

The main brunt of this change however is still focused on removing the bypassing queues or gaming the queue system of campaign assignment which “Jump to group leader” got around in odd cases. Joining your group mate’s Home assigned Campaigns via the Queue will be in place for the Imperial City patch along with disabling “Jump to group leader” to see how the effects on Campaign health and population go. Couple this with the Campaign rule changes and introduction of Imperial City, we hope to see better Campaign attachment and overall competitive play increased.

As a reminder, when this patch goes live, we intend to give all players a free home Campaign reassignment so you can choose which Campaigns to join with the new rule-sets.

Thecapeo · August 2015

Wait, the above still confuses me. Can we never join each others guest campaigns now? Even if we're grouped?

Teeba_Shei · August 2015

just delete my post then.

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2015

Thecapeo wrote: »

Wait, the above still confuses me. Can we never join each others guest campaigns now? Even if we're grouped?

Yep but if you have 4 friends you have access to every server, assuming all are willing to home a different server.

Thecapeo · August 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Thecapeo wrote: »

Wait, the above still confuses me. Can we never join each others guest campaigns now? Even if we're grouped?

Yep but if you have 4 friends you have access to every server, assuming all are willing to home a different server.

Ugh, that's not cool.

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2015

Thecapeo wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Thecapeo wrote: »

Wait, the above still confuses me. Can we never join each others guest campaigns now? Even if we're grouped?

Yep but if you have 4 friends you have access to every server, assuming all are willing to home a different server.

Ugh, that's not cool.

You don't even need four friends 2 friends can cover all servers with 2 alts, or 1 with 4 alts for a whole guild. Basically there is no real change for large groups, blobs will still go wherever there is no competition and low-hanging-fruit to grind that AP. Hopefully the lag fix works or things will be status quo.

Thecapeo · August 2015

Yeah, I guess we'll have to change up what me and friends do. There's only a few of us. Usually we home the one EP is dominating so we can quest there and we each guest a different vet campaign so we always have the option to go to the one that's busiest. We'll just have to do the opposite now. Maybe this will get rid of buff campaigns altogether which I wouldn't complain about.

Joy_Division · August 2015

OP - You can't jump-to-player, but you can get into a group with them and then enter in the queue to get into the campaign.

Ezareth · August 2015

It would be nice if this forced more players to actually try playing on other campaigns.

I tried playing Azuras last night for about 30 minutes and the lag was so bad in zone it took the NPCs at a resource over 5 minutes to kill me when I was trying to suicide there. I switched over to Haderus to try that out and I died 3 times in a row to unbreakable CC and couldn't use several ground effect abilities and decided to call it a night.

We need less zerging and more competitive campaigns which hopefully translates to less lag or this game is done.

Bleakraven · August 2015

I have the same issue. I wish I could just either join as a mercenary for the opposing faction or at least be able to join the same faction another character of mine is in of the opposing faction.

Merlin13KAGL · August 2015

You can still play with your friends, you simply can no longer play both sides.

(Not saying you were doing this maliciously, but it was the original reasoning behind preventing other-alliance Alts from entering the same campaign.)

Of course, they're missing opportunities with this, preventing proper implementation of espionage (skill line), and neutral or self-serving Alliance options with allegiance determined by your actions vs your place of birth.

They could also allow Alts to enter same, but with a cooldown restriction on the previously Allied characters.

There never should have been an option to travel to an alternate campaign to assist in the first place. They're finally correcting something that's been an issue for some time.

I suspect they will likely end up creating additional campaign options to allow all your characters the opportunity to join the Alliance War.

Pirhana7_ESO · August 2015

Synapsis123 wrote: »

With the current proposed changes to campaign home/guest and joining off other players into PVP campaigns I won't be able to play with my friends anymore. This game is already unfriendly enough to alts without you making any changes to the way we can join campaigns. There is really only one active campaign on PC now and I've got characters on both DC and AD factions. I had to delete 2 EP vet characters in the past due to this problem, but since then I've given up and just joined off friends to get into campaigns.

Once this change is put in place I will have to choose between playing with my DC or AD friends. To actually switch to play with the other set of friends I would have to change ALL my characters to a different campaign which would take forever.

Don't think I would have a problem? Take a look for yourself....

http://i.imgur.com/Nb9EDvM.jpg

TLDR: I can't join campaigns by traveling to players anymore and I have AD and DC characters. I can't play with my friends after the patch.

The whole mechanic of teh game is to choose ONE side and fight for it. Just join the same camapign as your pvp guild.

Teeba_Shei · August 2015

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Synapsis123 wrote: »

With the current proposed changes to campaign home/guest and joining off other players into PVP campaigns I won't be able to play with my friends anymore. This game is already unfriendly enough to alts without you making any changes to the way we can join campaigns. There is really only one active campaign on PC now and I've got characters on both DC and AD factions. I had to delete 2 EP vet characters in the past due to this problem, but since then I've given up and just joined off friends to get into campaigns.

Once this change is put in place I will have to choose between playing with my DC or AD friends. To actually switch to play with the other set of friends I would have to change ALL my characters to a different campaign which would take forever.

Don't think I would have a problem? Take a look for yourself....

http://i.imgur.com/Nb9EDvM.jpg

TLDR: I can't join campaigns by traveling to players anymore and I have AD and DC characters. I can't play with my friends after the patch.

The whole mechanic of teh game is to choose ONE side and fight for it. Just join the same camapign as your pvp guild.

If that was true then they wouldn't allow you to make characters of a different faction on the same account.

Lionxoft · August 2015

Read this.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We are discussing the Alliance lockouts (assigning different alliance characters to the same campaigns) as well as methods of removing your current home/guest assignment without the need to reassign for future updates after the next major update.