There are definately macro users

Mawgusta · August 2015

I came back to the game a few months and submerged into PvE. Ignoring the macro user threads etc. Not that I didn't believe them. I just didn't care. I'm a long time fan of PvP but don't like the build = better in PvP in ESO, but really do like builds.. So I just enjoy it in PvE for now. I'm well aware of weaving etc and can actually tunnel vision myself out of stamina light>skill>bashing if I don't pay attention (not that anyone bashes much anymore).

So the PTS comes out and I decide to test around thinking get some information on my stam Templar and see if enough has changed that I want to mess with LA/staff chars again. Next thing I know Im into PvP again because it's so fun on the PTS. Yet, in very not so laggy fights. None at all to be precise. Im getting ctirtal rushed/killed at times.. Looking at the death logs it's critical rush/teleporting strikes/morphs into a heavy attack with either dizzying or surprise attacks insta gibs.. So I call up my two sons 18 and 19 years old that I've had PvPing in DAoC since they were 5 and 6. Am I lagging? So I continue though the district and as they watch me fight with no lag.. The same guys rush/or teleport into heavy swings use skill skill then youre insta dead and all you see is the initial critical rush or teleporting strikes. Some of them are masking it by opening with a heavy attack into dizzying swings a few times executioner.

Im not crying. It's really only a few players out of hundreds. It just reminds me of how much I use to love shooters until the aim botters showed up. You would call them out. They would call you a noob and tell you to learn to play. Then 2 months later after you quit the game, when they have eternal guild fall out, you would see them snitching each other out for using aimbots.. Then everyone would decide everyone uses them so its okay to use them.

I don't know why I make a post. Its 19 years of PvP experience to say.. Out fo 5 days of massive PvP testing I have definitely run across 3 players who are using 5 skills in 1 second. Two of them are so blatant to heavy swing after a gap closer in them.

Ackwalan · August 2015

Yup lots of people use macros. Not long string macros, just the short macros that can complete the one two punch rotation saving a few milliseconds and without error.

Vatter · August 2015

sadly its more then a few out of a hundred. Macro's for stun- cc's- skills are incredibly common in cyrodiil now. Meh. if you can't beat them join them. I highly encourage anyone to use macros to even the playing field. ZOS won't ban ANYONE for it. so, F**k IT. Theres tons of possible macros to fit your build on reddit. simply search for em. happy hunting.

Molag_Crow · August 2015

Woah. I'm so glad I'm not on PC for ESO then, because I know what you mean... macro-fests.

Nebthet78 · August 2015

You should have taken down their name and made a report so ZOS could investigate.

Mawgusta · August 2015

Vatter wrote: »

sadly its more then a few out of a hundred. Macro's for stun- cc's- skills are incredibly common in cyrodiil now. Meh. if you can't beat them join them. I highly encourage anyone to use macros to even the playing field. ZOS won't ban ANYONE for it. so, F**k IT. Theres tons of possible macros to fit your build on reddit. simply search for em. happy hunting.

Do you think this guy is using a macro after this comment? Didn't I just post how at first they say everyone is crazy for thinking it and then next they say... Everyone else is doing it?

and by the way vatter.. I will not play a game I use anything to play for me. I don't cheat, ever. There is zero point. You're just clicking a button so other people think youre good. So pathetic. But, Im happy youre that type of guy to admit it to us.

Vatter · August 2015

Mawgusta wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

sadly its more then a few out of a hundred. Macro's for stun- cc's- skills are incredibly common in cyrodiil now. Meh. if you can't beat them join them. I highly encourage anyone to use macros to even the playing field. ZOS won't ban ANYONE for it. so, F**k IT. Theres tons of possible macros to fit your build on reddit. simply search for em. happy hunting.

Do you think this guy is using a macro after this comment? Didn't I just post how at first they say everyone is crazy for thinking it and then next they say... Everyone else is doing it?

I'm not quite sure what year you are in. if you seriously think only a few out of a hundred are using macros in a game with no gcd you might want to go back to farmville. oh and by the way I never said i use macros

do you think people pay to play this game just to be punching bags for the many many many people who do use macros? get real brah.

SkylarkAU · August 2015

Legit question - are macro's against the rules in ESO?

Lord Xanhorn · August 2015

I have been messing on the PTS and honestly the macroing issue is enough to make me to never want to PVP again. I am a full healer in full top end gear and I'm dying in 3 seconds while I'm stunned and they are eating through 2 shields often times. To lose all my telvar stones to that issue is inherently unfair.

I am still looking forward to the IC DLC but if they issues that I am having now are on the live server, PVP will be a big miss and that might be the nail in the coffin for me.

Darlgon · August 2015

SkylarkAU wrote: »

Legit question - are macro's against the rules in ESO?

Only if you can afk and run them, if I remember the last official word. So, if you are at your KB and hitting a macro, ZoS doesnt care.

TheBull · August 2015

SkylarkAU wrote: »

Legit question - are macro's against the rules in ESO?

They wont help you. The system doesn't work that way.

gjmgamesub17_ESO · August 2015

PC no longer master race?

Just kidding, but this is definitely a perk for me on ps4, macro's aren't possible afaik.

olemanwinter · August 2015

I get accused of using a macro attacks all the time and NEVER HAVE.

I don't need a special tool to initiate an attack in route from a teleport strike.

I used to go into long detailed explanations why macros don't work in this game like you think they do, how you don't know who is macroing like you think you do, and how macros are a bad idea for attacks.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

King Bozo · August 2015

As a player on pc and console you can tell a huge difference on console. People have to actually react on console as many pc players macro like bots. I tried to macro on pc and it made things a lot easier so I can't blame others that do it. I don't see it as a game breaker. Take away macro and most pc players would lose lot of skill that is masked by macroing. Most people have animation canceling macro from what I have seen. A lot of players can't successfully animation cancel without macroing and that's pretty huge. This is what makes console a lot of fun even though I prefer my pc.

Preyfar · August 2015

I get accused of macroing but do not. ESP has lag issues and in PVP they are at their most prevailant. This happens with health bar desync issues a lot. Another player can attack you, you take damage, but the amount of damage often doesn't display on your screen and you show as bring full health. A few hits later and you're dead. It doesn't look like it on your screen but it did on theirs.

I'm a hardcore PVPer and deal with this often. It's not uncommon to die with your health bar still showing 50% health left. It's a bug, and it sucks. But it's bot always macros, just damage hitting all at once when you have no idea how much you're actually taking.

Granz · August 2015

Well not sure what to say here and sure I will get flamed big time but here it goes. Gaming on PC is becoming more technical. Frankly that is why I play MMO's on PC and I know many of you feel the same way. I like the technology of the PC There is a race in hardware to make people faster and better. I guess you could look at it like there are two games. The hardware game and the Game Game... For example I own all gaming specific hardware. Logitech G series is dominant on my desk, keyboard, mouse and game pad. Keyboard and Mouse manufactures are not going to stop. How does ZoS keep up with this? It is impossible... Check out Logitech's new keyboard. A Gaming company saying you can use gaming hardware is risky to say the least. I mean really, the produced a game here that speed is a factor. I don't think you will see them address it as a cheat. If anything like some others they may embraced it and hop on board. Watch the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=50&v=v5duJ-jk2vM

SkylarkAU · August 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

SkylarkAU wrote: »

Legit question - are macro's against the rules in ESO?

Only if you can afk and run them, if I remember the last official word. So, if you are at your KB and hitting a macro, ZoS doesnt care.

This is what I'm wondering.. have ZOS said anything officially on it?

TheBull wrote: »

SkylarkAU wrote: »

Legit question - are macro's against the rules in ESO?

They wont help you. The system doesn't work that way.

Well, I don't think that's entirely true.. for example, it takes my sorc on 250-300 ping on average 4 seconds to rotate to my back bar and apply healing, hardened and harness and get back to my front bar to continue the fight. I know a guy who tested this same rotation using a macro and it took <1 second. Fairly major difference.

If it's against the rules that's fine, but if it isn't then in the interest of fairness I think everyone should know about it.

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO · August 2015

Animation cancelling needs to go.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO · August 2015

No *** ????

SC0TY999 · August 2015

Nebthet78 wrote: »

You should have taken down their name and made a report so ZOS could investigate.

I reported 2 players numerous of times and ZOS did absolutely nothing about it!

They're still running around using macro's

Corpsage · August 2015

The Macros are RIDICULOUS. PLEASE ZOS for the sake of Skill being greater than ones ability to create macros remove animation cancelling or do something about this. IC will be DOMINATED by the people running Macros if this fix doesn't happen. And for those who don't understand what I mean here, have fun getting all your Tel Var stones ripped from your dying hands time after time again, then QQ because we told you so.

Teargrants · August 2015

Not getting into arguing over who does or doesn't use macros; ZOS has explicitly stated on the forums that macros are permitted.

Have fun with that.

Ackwalan · August 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Not getting into arguing over who does or doesn't use macros; ZOS has explicitly stated on the forums that macros are permitted.

Have fun with that.

No they are not.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1827438/#Comment_1827438

BRogueNZ · August 2015

rolling face all over instant cast skills is not the same as macro usage.

people use them and animation canceling but I don think they will have as significant impact on gameplay when/if other isses are fixed.

Teargrants · August 2015

Ackwalan wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Not getting into arguing over who does or doesn't use macros; ZOS has explicitly stated on the forums that macros are permitted.

Have fun with that.

No they are not.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1827438/#Comment_1827438

That's nice to see a mod say that, but then you have to reconcile it w/ previous posts by different mods OKing the use of macros.

starkerealm · August 2015

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Animation cancelling needs to go.

Yeah, there was a poll way back where ZoS asked for input on this. At the time, the only ones who realized how bad this would actually be were the people actively exploiting it. From the way it was presented, it looked like it just allowed for multiple standard attacks... well, I guess we all know better now. This really needs to go.

Ackwalan · August 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Not getting into arguing over who does or doesn't use macros; ZOS has explicitly stated on the forums that macros are permitted.

Have fun with that.

No they are not.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1827438/#Comment_1827438

That's nice to see a mod say that, but then you have to reconcile it w/ previous posts by different mods OKing the use of macros.

Have a link?

pppontus · August 2015

Macros can't bypass the global cooldown. Is there really anyone who can't execute all possible actions within the global cooldown already? If so, L2 do that yourself, absolutely don't need a macro and 99,99% of all players you're accusing of macroing aren't.

sadownik · August 2015

pppontus wrote: »

Macros can't bypass the global cooldown. Is there really anyone who can't execute all possible actions within the global cooldown already? If so, L2 do that yourself, absolutely don't need a macro and 99,99% of all players you're accusing of macroing aren't.

Global cooldowns?

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO · August 2015

pppontus wrote: »

Macros can't bypass the global cooldown. Is there really anyone who can't execute all possible actions within the global cooldown already? If so, L2 do that yourself, absolutely don't need a macro and 99,99% of all players you're accusing of macroing aren't.

There are NO global cooldowns in eso. Abilities work via animation duration, hence why animation cancelling is so prevalent. You are getting off 2 or less commonly 3 abilities in the duration you are "meant" to get off 1 because the animations are being cancelled. Macroing or scripting abilities together is easy as pie especially for classes with extended range and it most certainly yields a pretty heavy advantage over players who are not doing it.

The fact is that if Zenimax got rid of animation cancelling, macroing would be rather pointless. Then they simply need to adjust the system so that casting light or heavy attacks periodically yields a distinct advantage. ie bleeds the target, causes your next ability to do increase damage, lowers resistances, boosts spell damage for x number of seconds, etc, etc.

Tavore1138 · August 2015

Some players really are that skilled, others macro, others take advantage of bugs and exploits... and the rest of us just try and actually play the game - ZOS, as they often do, send out mixed messages with no 'official' position except that the TOS would appear to say it is wrong but individual mods have disagreed with that in comments and we all can see that they do not take action against people cheating even when reports are made & evidence is offered.

But the interesting thing about macros and other cheats is up until now they have been annoying but not a huge problem.

Someone macros in PvE... so what unless you really care about being number 1 on the trials boards?

Someone macros in PvP... so what, they get a few extra AP and you get an extra ride through Cyrodiil? Not the end of the world.

Someone macros in IC when it is out and you lose loot - cue rage, cue epic threads, cue people quitting the game.

ZOS should have fixed this type of stuff ages ago but the game design was such that it was not *that* important - "I lost 10k TV stones to some macro-ing bleep" is going to present them with a challenge