Reminder: ESO is a fantasy genre MMO who's character classes are drawn from the classic archtypes (like all mmo's).

No, you cannot have the same abilities as everyone else. Yes, they are supposed to be different. This is how it works in every mmo game.. you have to think before you choose, and play to the archtype you have chosen - that's how these things work.

okthx

IMO Conjured Ward is fine like it is; the real issue is Healing Ward (like @Ezareth said) that can be used by ANY class and not just by Sorcs.
Maybe Sun Shield and Igneous Shield need to be scaled properly.

Ezareth wrote: »

Hardened Ward isn't the issue, Healing Ward is. Healing Ward scales off of health not Magicka. If anything healing ward is too strong which is why all Magicka NBs and Sorcs are so hard to kill right now when they're spamming that.

I think magicka sorcs and NBs using Healing Ward is fine because they are very vulnerable to physical damage as light armor users and also have to equip a resto staff to take advantage of Healing Ward. Given those facts, if fair-minded testers believe HW is still too strong, maybe they can just lower the ward strength increase (to say 200%).

Half the time my HW doesn't even land on me. Sometimes I purposely use it to heal other random players. There should be encouragement to use HW. It's not all about me-me-me regardless of the non-thinking nerfer types.

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

ZoS, can you please give breath of life or Dragonblood to Sorcerer ? Not ? Hm, I see.

No instead sorcerers get bolt escape, increasing mobility and giving the ability to get out of bad situations more quickly, similar to how nightblades get Shadow Cloak. In some situations it's more ideal and useful than heals, less so in others. Damage absorption shields however are in three classes, yet one class is scaling from a different source from the other two and it creates a problem. So level the playing field at least in terms of how the game mechanics are working.

Except Sorcerers lost Bolt Escape again, it's not feasible as an escape or mobility skill anymore now, only as a short aoe stun.

Problem is that most players only think about their own enjoyment, hence the endless attempts at getting skills nerfed. ZOS has no choice but to listen if enough people cry nerf, as they need to keep their player base happy.

Even class shields is boring and unoriginal.

The better solution than 50% reduction in pvp would be to allow shields to be cast at full strength, with one shield allowed active at once. Last cast shield overwrites the existing one.

Until they dismantle classes (I will NOT give up hope) I think it's reasonable to have things be "uneven".

After all, my tank/sorc stamina battlemage has a much less effective hardened ward than my altmer/sorc.

SkylarkAU wrote: »

Reminder: ESO is a fantasy genre MMO who's character classes are drawn from the classic archtypes (like all mmo's).

No, you cannot have the same abilities as everyone else. Yes, they are supposed to be different. This is how it works in every mmo game.. you have to think before you choose, and play to the archtype you have chosen - that's how these things work.

okthx

Are you my Skylark from Cheydinhal ?

And I agree, that's what I'm saying since months but you definately found the better words.
Things are supposed to be different, would be boring if everything would work the same way. It has reasons, why some shields scale of health and others of Magicka.

I've been Reading my way trough this whole Thread And all I can say is "Wow".
Im mainly Playing a sorcerer since beta and there are things, that "non-sorcerers" Dont get or dont want to Understand.

To clarify some "issues" people have with sorcerers:

1. "On PTS sorc are so OP, They Dont die because of Hardened Ward and because They have bolt escape!!!!!"

Answer:
Not true. As answered many times, The Main Problem is Healing Ward which is bugged and will be adjusted with The next patch(yes, Hardened ward, too but its a rather small issue), including shields being critable and making them way Weaker. Bolt Escape is not a Solution anymore since its small range and costst way too much magicka to repeat. It is Good for stunning once in a while(personally I dont even use it for The stun anymore lol).

2. "But Sorc just Bolt escape 4 Times and flee!!!"

Answer:
We can do that, but Afterwards? Were out of Our only useful ressourcr and others just critrush After us, and easily Finishing us off, without 50% Cost increase for consecutive uses in Short time. Also NB's can cloak and be immune to Single target attacks, even when revealed via detect pots.

3. "Sorcerers only Need to Stack Magicka and Spellpower for offense and Defense this is so unfair!!!!?!!??"

Answer:
True, we only Stack magicka and Spellpower. Since our class abilities (well, 90%) scale off a high magicka value and Spellpower, we Dont have many other choices left to play a sorcerer (no, a sorcerer. Not a stamina warmage or whatever).
But Dont Forget this is also our weakness! We may have Tons of magicka, but very few Health and stamina! Our magicka is gone from using Bolt Escape 3-4 Times or Spamming shields -> we cant defend/flee AND attack. We are basically free kills! Still worried because of Our shields? Dont be! Just CC us 2-3 Times and were out of stamina because we stacked on Max magicka -> low Max stamina -> cant breakfree to shield when Knocked down/stunned By WreckingBlow etc.

Isnt it more unfair to rolldodge all The time (reducing any incoming dmg to ZERO) + Stealth with Single Target Immunity? ...Hm no answer, fine.

4. "Why not make Hardened Ward scale on Health, its soo stronk!!!"

Answer:
Since we Stack magicka to Get competitive offensive/defensive possibilities, imagine how useless hardened ward was for us when scaled off (17k-21k) Our pitiful Health, which isnt enough for it being Our Main defense since we have no worth to mention selfheals.

5. "But shield is still soo stronk and you Indeed have heals, just like The pets (35%!!!!) or surge or dark Exchange!!!"

These skills sadly are not useful as Selfheals in PvP.

Pets:
They Heal you for 35%, yes true. 35% based on HEALTH.
Since we do bad bad magicka stacking, we get heals of just 6k + - and in pvp -50% less than that (3k Heal).
Expensive: Cost around 4500 magicka (with 3 legendary Cost reductions) and have cast time, which leaves us vulnerable

Surge:
has a cooldown between each heal and doesnt proc on Dots anymore, only proc on crit hit, aswell. Also we got low Health/Light Armour and possibly get oneshotted if we dont keep up a shield as "Health replacement", so there is no Need to rely on small heals or Full Health at all.

Dark Exchange:
Has a cast time, gives few ressources back, even Takes away Our magicka/ few stamina

6. "Why not Stack Health so The heals are good??????"

Answer:
If we did that, Our Max magicka Would be smaller which leads to weaker offensive possibilities. Not to mention The still too high magicka Cost for summoning pets is even higher Aswell as surge , which still is limited to crit hits + cooldown. Dark Exchange remains useless. Also we cant stack Spellpower as high as weaponpower due to item limitations(Maybe changing with new sets) to make up for The Loss of Max magicka, which contributes to Our DPS.
As you can finally Understand, there is a couple reasons we play this way!

7. "If you could chose between higher Health and The shields you use, which Would you Pick?"

Answer:
I Would happily chose higher Health!
Why? Its easy: When Directly attacked, The dmg you Receive is smaller because your armor is taking some % Dmg Before it actually hits you. This means you get 1000 dmg instead 1100.
Why not The shield? The shield doesnt have "armor", so it gets hit By Full 1100 dmg instead. Also it has to be cast when times up, it Takes away an ability Slot and costs magicka.
Comparing permanent 10000 higher Health to 20sec Lasting 15000 shield? Id gladly chose The 10k higher Health.

8.. "Erm...But The shields..."

Answer:
...did you even Listen?

9. . "...Bolt Escape is OP!!"

Answer:
...I give up...



To summarize:

As you Can see we lack useful selfheals,have 90% magicka depending class skills and low, onehittable Health. This makes us increase Our Max magicka because we also increase The DPS since it scales off magicka too! We can replace Our few Health with strong shields(even if They are crittable/not mitigated and just temporarily) and make sure The Health is not touched. When it is touched, we are in Trouble, just learn to fight us, its not that Hard!


Phew, for anyone who read all of it, Thanks.

I read to the end of the second page and saw that nobody mentioned the overload bug, which is still active on pts. For those who are not aware; if you slot toggled abilities like magelight and bound aegis on your overload bar you can toggle them on as you toggle overload off and it triggers a bug where the buffs from the toggled abilities remain even though you are no longer using the bar where you slotted them. You can even remove overload and slot a different ultimate and the buff from magelight or bound aegis will remain whatever you do (dying will reset the buffs). Inner Light and Bound Aegis both provide significant buffs to max magicka, and as we all know sorcs damage and defense both scale off max magicka. I have no data or even any idea how many sorcs abuse this bug, but it's very easy to replicate and could easily be one of the main causes of peoples' frustration with sorcs, even on pts. I don't believe any reasonable discussion can be had about the sorc class until this bug is fixed. It's one of the most potentially game-breaking but least discusses bugs. @zos please fix!

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

IMO Conjured Ward is fine like it is; the real issue is Healing Ward (like @Ezareth said) that can be used by ANY class and not just by Sorcs.
Maybe Sun Shield and Igneous Shield need to be scaled properly.

The scaling for class shields need to come from the same source. Either all scaling on Health or Magicka...or heck even Stamina, I don't care as long as they are all scaling from the same resource regardless of which class has the damage shield. Anything else is pretty unfair.

This is a rediculous suggestion honestly. How would this be fair when every class has a stamina and magicka variant? How would making all shields scale off hp be fair when you have tanks, healers and dps all with different health pools and differing requirements for a shield. Diversity is a good thing; we're just gonna end up with one homogenised super-class. Having them scale off your primary stat is a better suggestion, although still not my favourite. Having them all scale off the same resource regardless of class snd role is absurd.

Targaryen wrote: »

Sun shield at 20k hp=worthless

QFT times a billion. Sun shield in general has become a garbage skill, only barred for some folks to get the aedric spear passives