benss1225@aim.com wrote: »

Any OP Shielded light armor sorcs wanna share their wisdom?? Could use some les squishy ideas. Currently using full whitestrakes ans jave hardened ward.

On the realistic side of the house, @benss1225@aim.com your best bet is to sport at least one piece of Heavy Armor (You'll get Spell resist and armor from it) and have at least one kind of heal on your bar. (Make it a greater piece: Chest, Helm, Legs for maximum benefit from both armor # and enchants.)

This likely means a restro staff skill (Mutagen, Springs, Healing Ward). You'll get heals from Dark Magic line too, so long as you have the passives. Get double duty out of things like Mines or Encase. CC = time, less damage received, and a direct heal.

It's not about having absurd numbers to stand behind, it's about buying time to restore your resources, specifically your health. Also, you want to make sure you have a certain base health to start with. If it's too low, you'll get one-shot.

You can also take extreme exceptions like the one below. Explanation / dissection to follow.

Also helps when you add extra bits to bolster your argument, like changing the original thread's intent from a CP discussion to a Sorc/CP discussion.

Now on to the example: (BS like this is what people come to believe is the norm and is why ZoS ends up going overboard with changes, more often than not.)

Lionxoft wrote: »

The image below is from Zavus on another nerf sorc/cp thread. Make sure that your argument is based on fact and not some silly vendetta that encourages you to make personal attacks. I'm just here to discuss the game. Not your personal life. My hope is that you can comprehend that.

Good day.

This particular instance is the extreme exception, not the standard.

It's using:

• Healing Ward (available to anyone) and the increased value from the character having taken damage.
• Hardened Ward (only available to Sorcs, but with alternate class options for DK and Templar.)
• Barrier - an Ultimate, also available to anyone with high enough Alliance Rank
• Annulment - Light Armor shield (available to anyone) that does nothing for physical damage.
• Possible shield from Whitestrakes, if his health dropped low enough to trigger it and health regen'd after.
• Possible shield from weapon enchant. (Likely minor, relative to the others)

So:

• In < 8 seconds, the set bonus shield goes away and can't reapply for 7 after.
• In < 30 seconds, Barrier drops and won't have enough Ult to be reapplied for probably another 30-60 seconds more.
• Annulment will never mitigate a single physical attack, even when it's active. (Translated to 0 HP melee damage shield)
• Healing Ward will provide the remaining 6k heal. If applied after (you can see it's at 0 seconds in the picture), it's shield value will be significantly lower due to no more low health reinforcement.

The OP even indicates his health was damaged to increase the Healing Ward value, inflating the 'total' shield value.

Zavus wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Yuke wrote: »

He changed colours of his hp and mana bar to trick people into thinking that he has 108kmagicka?

509% = shields in addition (hardened ward, healing ward, harness and barrier)

He didn't change colours - he would need a lot more than 21k magicka for the shields, he damaged his health in order to increase the healing ward.

Btw, don't forget the shield from the potion and eventually the one from blocking.
And maaaaybe from resurrecting, but I doubt it .

^

So, yeah, for 30 seconds, this individual will be very hard to kill. The shield total is not calculated right, as Annulment (anywhere from 10k-20k, possibly) is damage type specific.

What is shown here is a lab environment scenario - not something that is going to be sustainable, or in many cases, even achievable my most builds.

To give a similar analogy, I have a friend that can hit 80k+ DPS with dawnbreaker if he hits just the right mobs, gets full crits, and has everything just so... Does he do 80k DPS all the time? Obviously not.

It's not about what's OP and what's not. It comes down to the masses and how they think things work, vs how they actually do. This is the sad truth.

Good luck with your adjustments, @benss1225@aim.com. Feel free to send me a forum email if you'd like to talk more about realistic options that will help you survive better in Cyrodiil.

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Sorcs seem to take a lot of physical dmg. I dont see the issue.

That's the issue right there. It's pretty much stamina dps or get rekt.

Lionxoft wrote: »

As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.

Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.

List for us what shields you are using there, and what sizes they are?

Just because you can reach that number doesn't mean all sorcs can or are.

(Please don't tell me you grabbed that image from someone else's post.. >_< )

KingKush wrote: »

LOL "Sorc shield stacking" as if they are the only class that can do it.

Theirs is the only shield that stacks off their dps stat magical, so it is far superior. Dk and templar are max health, so we have to sacrifice shield size or dps. On top of that magical harness and ward are max magical. Sorcs have the best shield stacking ability and don't have to sacrifice dps. At least if ALL shields were health based, shield use would be more even between classes and stam vs magical.
# common sense

daswahnsinn wrote: »

What about a player being able to one-shot another, and not from stealth. That happened to me the other day and I wasn't even mad I was impressed, I've been away for a couple months.

that won't be a problem next patch, what will be a problem is a 7/7 light sorc being more tanky than a 7/7 heavy dk because shields.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

NBs make pretty short work of a Sorc when played right. However, NB is the only class WITHOUT some sort of shield built into the class (not talking about % to have attacks miss but an actual class-shield). So in other words, stop crying.

I play all 4 classes, they are fine as is. I can figure ways to tweak each to take on any of the other classes or another of the same. L2P

However, it would definitely be nice if NB had a class shield of some sort but if that never happens... I don't really care (and my main is a NB).

Here we go another Star farmer saying L2P, so Mr Elitist how would i as a dest staff dk kill a sorc with shield stack?

Nb's are op in their own way, fear in nearly unbreakable (may be bugged on console) , surprise attack = gap closer with knockdown. Nb's can 1 hit from stealth, insta escape ability ect... why heal when you can just insta stealth.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Really... you need to ask that question? For starters, do you have 2 bars? Put 1h/shield for Invasion, etc.. or 2H... on a 2nd bar for non-ultimate gap-closers. You can spam claws all day long, I know I can.. why can't you? You can put up your own shields, GDB, reflect, etc... then destructive reach..so yes L2P. There are many things you can do.

Also if you think a NB is so easy to play, go make one, get it to VR14 (soon VR16), let me know how that feels in comparison to your DK. I steamrolled content on my Sorc, Temp, and DK. NB needed a strategy even in PVE, let alone PVP. I'm not sure if you were around for it but I was going through the VR10 zone on my NB when they did an update around Craglorn release which made all enemies have 2x the health and deal 2x the damage (which may I add, I thought was awesome and wanted them to keep it that way lolll). I also don't spam cloak sneaking by everything, I like to obliterate all enemies in sight. In PVP I have to be WAYYYY more strategic than I do when playing my other 3 classes.

So when you get 1 shot by that NB, just know almost every time that NB pops out of cloak they are in danger as well.... although a Sap-Tank NB can go toe to toe without Cloak versus any other setup in the game for sure... however while that's great for PVP, when you go to run Trials you certainly won't be pulling the numbers you should be for a NB which makes a lot of people steer clear of it (gets very expensive to keep resetting points, annoying switching gear when the add-on doesn't always work, and now add into that the CP points needing to be reset you're talking some serious waste of gold to switch back and forth between a high DMG NB (since many of us like to DPS) and a survivability-beast-mode Sap-Tank.

i'm a magicka dk, why would i a 2h? talons? lol sorc can just bolt with talons on. The problem is with a sorc stacking that can easily get 30k~ stack with 2 shields. The problem is even with 30k magicka and 2k spell power they can still just stand there and out shield my dps.

Nb's are Op in pvp for a reason. The only point were pve content gets a little bit tough is vet pledges and trials/Vdsa

I'm not talking about trails etc.. im talking about pvp. Yes i realise i need to drain their stamina, but when they can easily keep their distance i can't waste stamina spamming invasion because i'm also a magicka and have around the same stamina as them. If i run out i'm also dead.

as a sorc.

i'm glad bolt escape is going to take more magika. it was *** as it was

i don't see shields being too strong though, we only have 1 (hardened ward) and it's good but it is far from amazing. the only thing i like about it is that is stays a while.

anyone with a heal staff can put on healing ward which is a nice bonus but it

A: goes to whoever has the lowest health in the area, which isn't always the sorc

B: it's a heal more than a shield.


they are making shields critable and nerfing Bold escape, so i think that is all they needed for the class.

night blades can cloak to much, i fought a guy earlier and every 2 seconds he disappeared