People who say sorc shield arent Op LOL

leepalmer95

INB4 defend the op class.

Septimus_Magna

What a very useful and well constructed post, this will help the developers improve class balance without a doubt!

JD2013

Yeah let's nerf everything. Nobody will have any skills or survivability. Everyone dies from one hit.

leepalmer95

The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.

Anzriel

leepalmer95 wrote: »

INB4 defend the op class.

I agree that shield stacking has gotten silly (as a person who enjoys sorc quite a bit, although sorcs just do it a bit better with hardened ward any magicka class can shield stack) keep in mind it comes at the expense of being normally squishy and fairly mediocre dps in pve. They have good pvp damage, good burst, but I'd hope with the fixing/nerfing of shields that they gain something to be more worth it in pve compared to stamina templar and dragonknight. The reason I mention it is because adding more sustained dps while allowing them to shield stack the way they did before would probably be silly pvp wise, hopefully this with allow them to change other things on sorc to be better more well rounded in all aspects of the game.

PS: Why do I get this sneaking suspicion.....that you're a nightblade that won't also talk about nightblades being pretty amazing on PTS? Just a nagging suspicion. :-P

leepalmer95

Anzriel wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

INB4 defend the op class.

I agree that shield stacking has gotten silly (as a person who enjoys sorc quite a bit, although sorcs just do it a bit better with hardened ward any magicka class can shield stack) keep in mind it comes at the expense of being normally squishy and fairly mediocre dps in pve. They have good pvp damage, good burst, but I'd hope with the fixing/nerfing of shields that they gain something to be more worth it in pve compared to stamina templar and dragonknight. The reason I mention it is because adding more sustained dps while allowing them to shield stack the way they did before would probably be silly pvp wise, hopefully this with allow them to change other things on sorc to be better more well rounded in all aspects of the game.

PS: Why do I get this sneaking suspicion.....that you're a nightblade that won't also talk about nightblades being pretty amazing on PTS? Just a nagging suspicion. :-P

I hate nb's more than sorc xD , i always have detect pots, radiant magelight and such on. They still annoy me so much.

Rev Rielle

The problem isn't sorcerer shield-stacking per se. The problem is much more fundamental to shields and their mechanics in general. As someone said in the PTS section: One option is that shields could have a Major and Minor version like all our other short-term. You could have one major and one minor active at any one time, just like we do for basically every other buff in the game right now.

I tend to agree with that. Why try and make up a new mechanic and balancing system for them? Why not build upon the one that is already in place in-game (i.e. the current buff mechanic system).

KingKush

LOL "Sorc shield stacking" as if they are the only class that can do it.

Anzriel

Rev Rielle wrote: »

The problem isn't sorcerer shield-stacking per se. The problem is much more fundamental to shields and their mechanics in general. As someone said in the PTS section: One option is that shields could have a Major and Minor version like all our other short-term. You could have one major and one minor active at any one time, just like we do for basically every other buff in the game right now.

I tend to agree with that. Why try and make up a new mechanic and balancing system for them? Why not build upon the one that is already in place in-game (i.e. the current buff mechanic system).

Yeah, that's kinda what I was trying to say, the system itself is somewhat flawed, we'll see on PTS if the change to allowing them to be crit will at least make things a tad more tolerable, but a rework may need to be done at some point.

KingKush wrote: »

LOL "Sorc shield stacking" as if they are the only class that can do it.

Thank you for bringing so much to the conversation. Two people have already pointed this out. >.>

Nifty2g

The ESO PvP Community: Every single person that is not the same class as me and kills me deserves to be nerfed because they have a different play style than I do and I have no idea how to counter it!
Every single person that is not the same class as me and I can't kill are stacking shields or exploiting. I have no idea how to drop their defenses that they have been working on and learning for months. This is unfair, ZOS needs to nerf block casting, reduce all of their stamina, make their shields based off of max health, nerf dodge rolling. Their should be NO class diversity in this game. Why doesn't ZOS listen to their player community. ZOS hates us.

olsborg

No healing, no blocking, no shielding, no dodging and no escaping zergs. This will be such a great game. /sarcasm

olsborg

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Anzriel

olsborg wrote: »

No healing, no blocking, no shielding and no escaping zergs. This will be such a great game. /sarcasm

Yeah, I don't know about the blocking change as I don't tank, but the dodge roll nerf seems a bit much to me. Then again I'm probably just bad. XD However I don't think, or at least I hope, no one wants to do away with shields completely, I just think they're a tad silly on PTS. It's entirely possible allowing to be crit will make them more balanced though, we'll have to see when they patch it. Streak is still solid as a utility skill, you can still use it like 6 times. I don't think it was designed to streak all the way to Morrowind. It's still solid utility.

Aunatar

Mmmh, very constructive OP. So clever

Machiavelli

leepalmer95

Aunatar wrote: »

Mmmh, very constructive OP. So clever

Ty i try.

I could make it the most constructive thread in the world, zos still won't listen, people will still defend their op class even though it's quite obviously broken.

Matem

leepalmer95 wrote: »

The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.

It's funny how 6+ months ago someone said the same thing about dks.

leepalmer95

Matem wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.

It's funny how 6+ months ago someone said the same thing about dks.

It's funny how dk's got nerfed to the ground.

Vis

My main is a sorc. However, I only use hardened ward in my solo pvp. Always annoys me when I see sorcs with 3 shields on. However, changes should improve the situation. First, no more bolting forever to reapply shields infinitely. Second, shields will soon be crittable allowing them to be chewed through. Third, a massive nerf to ball of lightening.

Let's see how these changes work out first.

Vis

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Matem wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.

It's funny how 6+ months ago someone said the same thing about dks.

It's funny how dk's got nerfed to the ground.

Not really. DKs are still very viable in pvp.

leepalmer95

Vis wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Matem wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.

It's funny how 6+ months ago someone said the same thing about dks.

It's funny how dk's got nerfed to the ground.

Not really. DKs are still very viable in pvp.

Viable not as viable as nb's or sorc though it's why everyone rerolls to a sorc or nb.

70% of people in pvp are sorc or nb currently.

Machiavelli

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Matem wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.

It's funny how 6+ months ago someone said the same thing about dks.

It's funny how dk's got nerfed to the ground.

Not really. DKs are still very viable in pvp.

Viable not as viable as nb's or sorc though it's why everyone rerolls to a sorc or nb.

70% of people in pvp are sorc or nb currently.

Did you just make that statistic up on the spot?

leepalmer95

Machiavelli wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Matem wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.

It's funny how 6+ months ago someone said the same thing about dks.

It's funny how dk's got nerfed to the ground.

Not really. DKs are still very viable in pvp.

Viable not as viable as nb's or sorc though it's why everyone rerolls to a sorc or nb.

70% of people in pvp are sorc or nb currently.

Did you just make that statistic up on the spot?

Ofc a random guess from what i see on console, very rare i vs another dk or a templar.

Junipus

Sorc shields are only OP if you don't know how to fight them.

Magicka based? Use harness magicka/healing ward.
DK? Use flappy wings
Stamina based? Wait and nuke them down
BE away and you're not a sorc? Let them. No point running after them then complaining you can't kill them.

Singular

Vis wrote: »

My main is a sorc. However, I only use hardened ward in my solo pvp. Always annoys me when I see sorcs with 3 shields on. However, changes should improve the situation. First, no more bolting forever to reapply shields infinitely. Second, shields will soon be crittable allowing them to be chewed through. Third, a massive nerf to ball of lightening.

Let's see how these changes work out first.

That's what, the third or fourth time nerfing ball???

Why?

markt84

The shield makes sorcs the tankiest class in the game, that makes perfect sense

leepalmer95

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Sorc shields are only OP if you don't know how to fight them.

Magicka based? Use harness magicka/healing ward.
DK? Use flappy wings
Stamina based? Wait and nuke them down
BE away and you're not a sorc? Let them. No point running after them then complaining you can't kill them.

*sigh* here we go.

You can't reflect everything.

Stamina - Wait for what for them to easily recast as their spamming you with frags and curse?

BE - No one should be able to escape a fight so easy, sorc do this all the time when getting a farm they'll siege from the towers and still manage to get away from 40+ people because they'll bolt so fast.

Lionxoft

As a Dragonknight. 70cp around 1.6. Not using healing ward or barrier. If healing ward were used appropriately it would be over 140k.

Sorcs however are the only class that can get away with similar while dealing nasty damage too though. I don't think there's any argument that the Sorcerer's ward should scale off of health instead of a dps stat like magicka.

FilthyMudcrabs

leepalmer95 wrote: »

The devs ofc play sorc + nb's anyway so it doesn't matter how constructive no one listens.

JD2013

I love my hardened ward. Not a user of bolt escape. I stay and fight, so I need something to protect me as light armour doesn't cut it, damage wise. Which is why I'm now running 2 heavy armour as well as light for the rest.

So ima keep using it. Kthanks.

FelixTheCatt

So basically nerf any class you yourself aren't playing as? PvP "such n such class is op" threads are so outdated. There's always going to be some sort of inbalance between classes. As long as theres been pvp , this has always been true , always will be. Eventually things will swing your way and it'll be the other way around. Yes , I am a sorcerer , but I promise you I couldn't pvp my way out of a wet sack. Skill has a bigger role in sucessful pvp than any one class being op i'm willing to bet.