even worse is, if they even put more mobs in endgame just for this, it would be swamped with grinders and still near impossible to get.

for me personally, after reading that I gave up on getting this achivement

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

[*] Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character.
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WHY?

Why do this? Why remove an avenue for players?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom , I wwould like to ask a question on what happens to collectibles that is currently on another characters inventory or bank? Will the former be automatically be granted to the character holding it while the latter (bank) means it will disappear or what happens? I've just been collecting duplicates and I'm not sure what would happen to people that already have them in inventory or bank.

Incompetence at its best.

GG ZoS. No wonder people leave your game when you constantly do things to annoy your customers.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

• Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character.

I could understand why this is changed for the fishing trophies because the chars can earn a title for it.
But all the monster trophies do is unlock dyes - for the entire account. So why should not all chars be able to work on it together ?

If you insist on implementing this change, could we at least get a char specific title for completing all of them ?

They are hard enough to get.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We’d like to provide a little insight and clarification on the upcoming changes to collectibles.

Currently, collectible trophies work differently for those obtained via fishing versus those obtained via monster kills. Fishing trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon item pick-up, whereas monster-kill trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon use. This difference was resulting in a high volume of bug reports and feedback in which players thought the collectible trophies were broken. That combined with the availability being limited by level-range prompted us to make the system more intuitive and uniform. That’s where the upcoming changes come in.

So what do those changes consist of? Here’s a short list:

• All collectible trophies will now grant the associated achievement when the item is first looted.
• Monster trophies will always drop off appropriate level monsters for your character. A game-wide audit was done to make sure that no matter what level you are, there is always a place you can go to work on collecting the trophy you are looking for.
• Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character.

We hope that helps clarify the changes. Please let us know if you have any questions!

A few issues with this.

If the problem is that people don't understand the difference in how fishing and monster trophy collectables work leading to mass amounts of erroneous bug reports then wouldn't it be far less problematic for everyone as a whole if, rather than messing around with something that currently actually works (minus Fleshy Symbiont), you perhaps gave some form of tutorial on just how they function and what they do when somebody picks one up for the first time? You bombard us with tutorials on just about every other "so simple you couldn't possibly screw up unless you had brain damage" feature and clearly this is something that needs to be explained to people so just add one and be done with it! This is a user error issue and will sort itself out once people start figuring out how it works. This is not a serious game breaking problem. There are plenty of those to be found else were in the game. You really don't have to mess with this.

If you are going to tinker with it then drop the bloody level restriction! Would it truly be so terrible if creature collectables functioned like leather scraps? I can collect rawhide from lv5 mud crabs as a v14 but not an achievement item? Come on!

Even if you do go make sure that there are level relevant creatures for every trophy can you really guarantee there's going to be enough to go around? You'll be forcing dozens upon dozens of players to try and squeeze into limited pockets of space to grind out a limited number of creatures. With everybody hoping to tag the mobs before they get blasted down by mass waves of increasingly frustrated players. Have we not already had issues with this? Do we not continue to have problems with this?

The only other option to this is to put them in instanced dungeons and I don't know about everybody else but I'm not too keen on the idea of trying to find two to four other like minded people for grinding out the same dungeon mobs for hours if not days on end in the hopes of get "Brass Anklets" to drop.

For new players what your proposing probably wouldn't make much of a difference but some of us are well past the point of being able to gather these in the normal course of our gameplay as we hit max level while we waited for you to work the kinks out. These changes will at best make it needlessly more difficult and at worst pretty much impossible for a max level character to complete the trophy achievements.

Please for the love of all that is I'm begging you leave collectables alone.

Czeri wrote: »

Yeah, making trophies (and fish, for that matter) not bankable extends what already was a very long grind to the point of impossibility. Oh how I wish installing updates to the game was optional...

Right now, it actually makes the chittin collector achievement impossible for any Pact character over 25, who didn't get a multifaceted eye drop.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We’d like to provide a little insight and clarification on the upcoming changes to collectibles.

Currently, collectible trophies work differently for those obtained via fishing versus those obtained via monster kills. Fishing trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon item pick-up, whereas monster-kill trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon use. This difference was resulting in a high volume of bug reports and feedback in which players thought the collectible trophies were broken. That combined with the availability being limited by level-range prompted us to make the system more intuitive and uniform. That’s where the upcoming changes come in.

So what do those changes consist of? Here’s a short list:

• All collectible trophies will now grant the associated achievement when the item is first looted.
• Monster trophies will always drop off appropriate level monsters for your character. A game-wide audit was done to make sure that no matter what level you are, there is always a place you can go to work on collecting the trophy you are looking for.
• Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character.

We hope that helps clarify the changes. Please let us know if you have any questions!

I appreciate that you (ZOS) are doing your best to improve the game, especially regarding issues that us players alert you to.

One big question though: When you say "Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character", does this include fishing too? Because if so, I will mourn no longer being able to fish with my hubby, whose main is in a different alliance than mine.

I do strongly disagree with your decision to no longer allow us to bank and trade collectibles between characters. Here's why:

* Almost Everything else can be banked and traded. With your logic, items that have been "bound" to one character (like armor) shouldn't be bankable either.
* This is just another reason for people not to make alts, even if they want to. As it is now, most people have ONE main, and the alts pretty much work for her/him - and most of us like it this way. It means that we can play our other alts but still "help" our main - so we don't feel it is a "waste of time" not playing on our main.
* Fishing and Collectible-hunting are social activities (some guilds even have this as a focus), and introducing restrictions may have a negative impact on the fishing/collectible-hunting community.
* With all this in mind, you are pretty much contradicting yourselves when you promote the game as "play as you want". How and what people choose to bank and trade between characters should not be given restrictions.

Now some have come with the argument/explanation that all achievements should be character based, and I do agree with that (to a certain extent). But what about other items, like recipes? If I find a rare recipe with an alt I give it to my main. Everything goes to my main, and I'm pretty sure almost everyone does this - even those who think of their alts as separate entities. It just makes no sense to make a certain group of items un-bankable/un-tradable, when the end result is cosmetic (dyes), while other items like recipes, armor, potions, soul gems, etc., are all bankable/tradable even when bound - and these things actually give you an edge/advantage in the actual game.

So many of us have adapted our play style to collectibles being bankable/tradable, so it does come as quite a shock to us. It just seems it's change for the sake of change, not because it will do anything for the community.

All-in-all, this decision should be reconsidered

Way to waste resources making the game more annoying for players instead of using resources to make it less annoying by fixing bugs/exploits

Monster trophies will always drop off appropriate level monsters for your character. A game-wide audit was done to make sure that no matter what level you are, there is always a place you can go to work on collecting the trophy you are looking for.

For an official 'clarifying' post, there is a lot in the above quote that needs explaining. I only have two collectibles left, so I may not be seriously impacted by this change, but I sympathize with everyone with a lot left to collect...I KNOW how much effort these items can take. What's unsaid in the quote is just how collectibles will be accessible to everyone. If the plan is similar to how jackals were added to Craglorn, then this issue should die pretty quickly. If they do more like the nix-hound at the end of DSA, then they will irritate a lot of players. We could have been saved a lot of speculation and frustration if the above quote actually did provide clarification.

NovaMarx wrote: »

* Everything mostly everything else can be banked and traded.

Just a minor tweak (I'm a bit OCD on information), not all items can be banked by a character that received it. Some items cannot be placed in the bank(I.e. pledge keys, coffers, writ bundle rewards).

Any who carry on

for me this feels more like it will be easier to be hit by lightning 10 times, then having the RNG luck to get them all, with this change....

I were actually perfectly fine with it being seriously hard already getting this achievements, but when it goes from hard to epic omg never gonna happen hard, then yeah

I wonder if at vr16 you need to buy IC to get access to all the appropriate mobs who will drop the collectibles at your level

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ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

[*] Monster trophies will always drop off appropriate level monsters for your character. A game-wide audit was done to make sure that no matter what level you are, there is always a place you can go to work on collecting the trophy you are looking for.

Whoo, finally! This makes me so happy.

That makes you happy? You realize that what @ZOS_JessicaFolsom said does not mean that they're adding the "missing" mobs to the game so that you can get these trophies. What it means is that they audited the game to make sure that somewhere in the game is a place where you can potentially have it drop for you regardless of your level. So they believe that it's already perfectly reasonable for every character to be able to go out right now and, starting from fresh, be able to get every single monster trophy in the game, regardless of that character's level or alliance. For all we know that might mean that there's only one boss fight in one vet dungeon where you could get the trophy, but hey, technically there is a place you can go to work on collecting it!

In all seriousness, this is the most clearly poorly thought out decision I've seen from ZOS in months. There have plenty of questionable decisions, but all of the others, whether I agreed with them or not I could see that some thought went into them, and I can understand why people might think it was a good idea. This one, though, doesn't seem to have any support from anyone who has mentioned it, and it's pretty clear why: because there is literally no benefit to it aside from (possibly) saving some time for ZOS CS (but quite likely to generate a lot of CS tickets when people think that the changes are a new bug).

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom please publish the complete list to show where a character of each level in each alliance can go to get each monster trophy in the game.

EDIT: Read the [z] news, nvm

If anything that [z] news is WORSE because if trophies can no longer be banked that will make fishing much, MUCH harder to complete (esp in Vet zones).