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From 1 to VR14 on Console, What's the issue?
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markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?
Other people who started the grind after me. There are what 3600ish cp points possible? That's the cap. We have Xp potions, pledge rings, and get more xp in a duo. Grinding CP isn't hard.
Hahahaha grinding isn't hard. Here is th definition of grinding since you have no idea what it actually means
grind·ing
ˈɡrīndiNG/
adjective
1.
(of a state) oppressive, tedious, and seemingly without end.
"grinding poverty"
2.
(of a sound or motion) harsh and grating.
"the group's grinding, ear-splitting guitar"
Well your comprehension is little off. None of that means it's hard. Things can be tedious, that doesn't mean they are hard. Continuing your education can seem to be without end, but that doesn't mean it's hard. Nice try though!
te·di·ous
ˈtēdēəs/
adjective
too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous.
tire·some
ˈtī(ə)rsəm/
adjective
causing one to feel bored or annoyed.
"weeding is a tiresome but essential job"
synonyms: boring, dull, tedious, insipid, wearisome, wearing, uninteresting, uninvolving, uneventful, humdrum, monotonous, mind-numbing; More
You got me there, yeah I don't find things that are tedious and tiresome hard to do. Good point. Man that sounds like so much fun to play a video game where to way to get better you have to grind tediously and is so tiresome to do. Man, sign me up
Lots of other games out there, servers are too crowded as it is...
Hahaha good comeback. Or I can voice my opinion on this ESO FORUM in hopes zos sees the validity in my argument and creates a non-cp campaign. What do you think zos would rather me do? Stop playing or come here and try to get a non-cp campaign created?
Hey man, do what you gotta do, just know that while you're petitioning the rest of us will be that much further a head while you wait. Might need a much bigger nerf bat in a month or two when xp doubles+/- for vet levels and two new vrs are released.
While I wait for what? I play almost every night, and plan on playing the crap out of some PvP tonight. So how about instead I keep playing the game and petitioning. That work for you? I mean don't be so scared about having to rely on skill instead of your CPs. It will actually make you a better player in the end. Well once non-cp becomes a thing and the PvP population moves to it. But hey in that case you can fight other maxed cp players all day long and those noobs won't get in the way0 -
psicorpb16_ESO✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
We all leveled our toons from 1 to VR14. Now go do ANOTHER ONE... an alt... and then come back and tell us how great the VR system is. I promise you that you're going to want to tear your eyes out of their sockets with boredom by the time you get to VR5, if not sooner.
Just as a matter of interest , I'm not disagreeing that the vet levels may be boring to you but if you didn't like it much the first time why would you do it again?
We have a limited amount of hours in this life of ours....there are endless amounts of things to do (hate repeating myself but please stop banging your head against a brick wall)
I get that you'd like to make the game better (for you) , I'd also like to win the lottery. I doubt either is going to happen just by wishing it so. (No harm in trying a little bit I guess but don't waste hours/days of your life doing it)Edited by psicorpb16_ESO on August 7, 2015 5:14PM1 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
We all leveled our toons from 1 to VR14. Now go do ANOTHER ONE... an alt... and then come back and tell us how great the VR system is. I promise you that you're going to want to tear your eyes out of your sockets with boredom when you get to VR5, if not sooner.
Yeah, already started... so am I to feel inferior in my position just because you've lost interest in the game? What I said to the last guy, if you are that sick of it don't let the door hit you on the way out. And who is "us" by the way? Do you speak for the community here? Would be helpful to make sure I get my response to the right person in another couple months when I'm done.
Sick of doing what? Having fun grinding? Well I don't grind in the game because I play it for enjoyment, not the feeling of "power" the game gives me. I'm sorry you waist away your hours grinding in a video, but that's not me dude. So how about if you don't like the idea of non-CPs don't let the door hit you on the way out of this thread
Lol, no need to be sorry man, I have a great life outside of eso trust me, it's funny though you keep trying to bring that up. Who are you to say I'm wasting anything? Also not sure what you mean by "power" coming from the game but I can tell you that strategically it makes no sense not to take advantage of easy missions to progress your character for pve or pvp. It boils down to this, I CHOSE to complete all content available to me, I'm rewarded for my time. You CHOSE not to, you are not rewarded. Simple as that. You can still go back and earn the same rewards so you don't get face rolled quite as much in PvP but you CHOOSE not to. See how that works? This isn't t ball where everyone gets a trophy. Get over it.2 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Machiavelli wrote: »Everyone's views on what's wrong is subjective. Some people have a problem with leveling and others don't. Simple as that. Now on the subject of CP I'm totally fine with the current setup. Sure I get owned by people with more CP, but I'll catch up eventually and get to owning of my own.
Owning who? They system isn't new player friendly and your not catch up with cp grinders. No with no new blood and everyone is more powerful, who exactly donyounplan on owning?
Other people who started the grind after me. There are what 3600ish cp points possible? That's the cap. We have Xp potions, pledge rings, and get more xp in a duo. Grinding CP isn't hard.
Hahahaha grinding isn't hard. Here is th definition of grinding since you have no idea what it actually means
grind·ing
ˈɡrīndiNG/
adjective
1.
(of a state) oppressive, tedious, and seemingly without end.
"grinding poverty"
2.
(of a sound or motion) harsh and grating.
"the group's grinding, ear-splitting guitar"
Well your comprehension is little off. None of that means it's hard. Things can be tedious, that doesn't mean they are hard. Continuing your education can seem to be without end, but that doesn't mean it's hard. Nice try though!
te·di·ous
ˈtēdēəs/
adjective
too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous.
tire·some
ˈtī(ə)rsəm/
adjective
causing one to feel bored or annoyed.
"weeding is a tiresome but essential job"
synonyms: boring, dull, tedious, insipid, wearisome, wearing, uninteresting, uninvolving, uneventful, humdrum, monotonous, mind-numbing; More
You got me there, yeah I don't find things that are tedious and tiresome hard to do. Good point. Man that sounds like so much fun to play a video game where to way to get better you have to grind tediously and is so tiresome to do. Man, sign me up
Lots of other games out there, servers are too crowded as it is...
Hahaha good comeback. Or I can voice my opinion on this ESO FORUM in hopes zos sees the validity in my argument and creates a non-cp campaign. What do you think zos would rather me do? Stop playing or come here and try to get a non-cp campaign created?
Hey man, do what you gotta do, just know that while you're petitioning the rest of us will be that much further a head while you wait. Might need a much bigger nerf bat in a month or two when xp doubles+/- for vet levels and two new vrs are released.
While I wait for what? I play almost every night, and plan on playing the crap out of some PvP tonight. So how about instead I keep playing the game and petitioning. That work for you? I mean don't be so scared about having to rely on skill instead of your CPs. It will actually make you a better player in the end. Well once non-cp becomes a thing and the PvP population moves to it. But hey in that case you can fight other maxed cp players all day long and those noobs won't get in the way
So you spend almost every night on the game and you are questioning my time spent? Seems the old saying "work smarter not harder" may apply here.0 -
markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
We all leveled our toons from 1 to VR14. Now go do ANOTHER ONE... an alt... and then come back and tell us how great the VR system is. I promise you that you're going to want to tear your eyes out of your sockets with boredom when you get to VR5, if not sooner.
Yeah, already started... so am I to feel inferior in my position just because you've lost interest in the game? What I said to the last guy, if you are that sick of it don't let the door hit you on the way out. And who is "us" by the way? Do you speak for the community here? Would be helpful to make sure I get my response to the right person in another couple months when I'm done.
Sick of doing what? Having fun grinding? Well I don't grind in the game because I play it for enjoyment, not the feeling of "power" the game gives me. I'm sorry you waist away your hours grinding in a video, but that's not me dude. So how about if you don't like the idea of non-CPs don't let the door hit you on the way out of this thread
Lol, no need to be sorry man, I have a great life outside of eso trust me, it's funny though you keep trying to bring that up. Who are you to say I'm wasting anything? Also not sure what you mean by "power" coming from the game but I can tell you that strategically it makes no sense not to take advantage of easy missions to progress your character for pve or pvp. It boils down to this, I CHOSE to complete all content available to me, I'm rewarded for my time. You CHOSE not to, you are not rewarded. Simple as that. You can still go back and earn the same rewards so you don't get face rolled quite as much in PvP but you CHOOSE not to. See how that works? This isn't t ball where everyone gets a trophy. Get over it.
Yeah I'm sure your life is amazing that's why you waist it away doing someone tedious and monotonous to pass your time and call it fun. So why should I have to play the way you play to get "rewarded". Im not saying take anything away from you dude. Keep your CPs. Just let me play on a campaign that there are no "rewards". Because you know this is a game and meant for enjoyment, as dude you aren't winning any trophies while playing the video game, or are you talking about video game trophies? It's a video game, not real life. Get over it0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
We all leveled our toons from 1 to VR14. Now go do ANOTHER ONE... an alt... and then come back and tell us how great the VR system is. I promise you that you're going to want to tear your eyes out of your sockets with boredom when you get to VR5, if not sooner.
Yeah, already started... so am I to feel inferior in my position just because you've lost interest in the game? What I said to the last guy, if you are that sick of it don't let the door hit you on the way out. And who is "us" by the way? Do you speak for the community here? Would be helpful to make sure I get my response to the right person in another couple months when I'm done.
Sick of doing what? Having fun grinding? Well I don't grind in the game because I play it for enjoyment, not the feeling of "power" the game gives me. I'm sorry you waist away your hours grinding in a video, but that's not me dude. So how about if you don't like the idea of non-CPs don't let the door hit you on the way out of this thread
Lol, no need to be sorry man, I have a great life outside of eso trust me, it's funny though you keep trying to bring that up. Who are you to say I'm wasting anything? Also not sure what you mean by "power" coming from the game but I can tell you that strategically it makes no sense not to take advantage of easy missions to progress your character for pve or pvp. It boils down to this, I CHOSE to complete all content available to me, I'm rewarded for my time. You CHOSE not to, you are not rewarded. Simple as that. You can still go back and earn the same rewards so you don't get face rolled quite as much in PvP but you CHOOSE not to. See how that works? This isn't t ball where everyone gets a trophy. Get over it.
Yeah I'm sure your life is amazing that's why you waist it away doing someone tedious and monotonous to pass your time and call it fun. So why should I have to play the way you play to get "rewarded". Im not saying take anything away from you dude. Keep your CPs. Just let me play on a campaign that there are no "rewards". Because you know this is a game and meant for enjoyment, as dude you aren't winning any trophies while playing the video game, or are you talking about video game trophies? It's a video game, not real life. Get over it
Read the post above, you don't see that you already do? lol you just said you play almost every night and have admitted that you gain less for it than I do lol. I'm calling check mate here man, good luck to you doing whatever it is you do in this game.1 -
psicorpb16_ESO✭✭✭You two need to agree to disagree, turning a valid thread into an argument. It will only get locked guys. And you both have a valid argument, don't get it buried pls
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markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
We all leveled our toons from 1 to VR14. Now go do ANOTHER ONE... an alt... and then come back and tell us how great the VR system is. I promise you that you're going to want to tear your eyes out of your sockets with boredom when you get to VR5, if not sooner.
Yeah, already started... so am I to feel inferior in my position just because you've lost interest in the game? What I said to the last guy, if you are that sick of it don't let the door hit you on the way out. And who is "us" by the way? Do you speak for the community here? Would be helpful to make sure I get my response to the right person in another couple months when I'm done.
Sick of doing what? Having fun grinding? Well I don't grind in the game because I play it for enjoyment, not the feeling of "power" the game gives me. I'm sorry you waist away your hours grinding in a video, but that's not me dude. So how about if you don't like the idea of non-CPs don't let the door hit you on the way out of this thread
Lol, no need to be sorry man, I have a great life outside of eso trust me, it's funny though you keep trying to bring that up. Who are you to say I'm wasting anything? Also not sure what you mean by "power" coming from the game but I can tell you that strategically it makes no sense not to take advantage of easy missions to progress your character for pve or pvp. It boils down to this, I CHOSE to complete all content available to me, I'm rewarded for my time. You CHOSE not to, you are not rewarded. Simple as that. You can still go back and earn the same rewards so you don't get face rolled quite as much in PvP but you CHOOSE not to. See how that works? This isn't t ball where everyone gets a trophy. Get over it.
Yeah I'm sure your life is amazing that's why you waist it away doing someone tedious and monotonous to pass your time and call it fun. So why should I have to play the way you play to get "rewarded". Im not saying take anything away from you dude. Keep your CPs. Just let me play on a campaign that there are no "rewards". Because you know this is a game and meant for enjoyment, as dude you aren't winning any trophies while playing the video game, or are you talking about video game trophies? It's a video game, not real life. Get over it
Read the post above, you don't see that you already do? lol you just said you play almost every night and have admitted that you gain less for it than I do lol. I'm calling check mate here man, good luck to you doing whatever it is you do in this game.
Don't understand what you just check mated me about. I play the way I enjoy playing, and you grind. I'm not in the rat race of CPs. I actuall don't use 28 of the 33 I have now. But if this ends your constant attack on non-CPs, then good you won.0 -
markt84✭✭✭psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »You two need to agree to disagree, turning a valid thread into an argument. It will only get locked guys. And you both have a valid argument, don't get it buried pls
Sorry about that. Just don't understand what these people are arguing against. I'm not trying to touch their CPs, I'm just not trying to touch mine either. And want a campaign based more about skill than CPs. If you disagree cool. Tell me how it negatively effects you and we can talk about it.0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭It's hard to read that through insulting someone personally. I created this post as a means to discuss the leveling system as it stands, not to promote or argue the creation of a separate campaign.0
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psicorpb16_ESO✭✭✭I don't disagree, I don't actually pvp (cos I'm crap at it) but if I wasn't I think I'd want the option to pvp in an equal (cp wise) environment as you say, but also a separate one for the hardcore players that really want to battle in an 'open CP' environment;
I also think that any kind of levelling should be possible (stop the damn nerfing of spots ppl use) , I like to quest....so let me quest. Let ppl grind wherever they want (away from questing objectives) , equal xp/cp points for pvp (battle levelled in some campaigns) , fishing xp , crafting xp, (and if you're a vet then CP too). I don't know , even role playing with emotes , whatever, it doesn't matter.
The game was advertised as 'Play as You Want' and that is how it should be , who cares how you earn your xp/cp , as long as You are enjoying it.
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markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »It's hard to read that through insulting someone personally. I created this post as a means to discuss the leveling system as it stands, not to promote or argue the creation of a separate campaign.
Are we not discussing the leveling system? You think there is nothing wrong with it because you played Star Wars, and I do. So how about we both be right and separate the campaigns between CPs and non-CPs. You game the way you want and I game the way I want0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
We all leveled our toons from 1 to VR14. Now go do ANOTHER ONE... an alt... and then come back and tell us how great the VR system is. I promise you that you're going to want to tear your eyes out of your sockets with boredom when you get to VR5, if not sooner.
Yeah, already started... so am I to feel inferior in my position just because you've lost interest in the game? What I said to the last guy, if you are that sick of it don't let the door hit you on the way out. And who is "us" by the way? Do you speak for the community here? Would be helpful to make sure I get my response to the right person in another couple months when I'm done.
Sick of doing what? Having fun grinding? Well I don't grind in the game because I play it for enjoyment, not the feeling of "power" the game gives me. I'm sorry you waist away your hours grinding in a video, but that's not me dude. So how about if you don't like the idea of non-CPs don't let the door hit you on the way out of this thread
Lol, no need to be sorry man, I have a great life outside of eso trust me, it's funny though you keep trying to bring that up. Who are you to say I'm wasting anything? Also not sure what you mean by "power" coming from the game but I can tell you that strategically it makes no sense not to take advantage of easy missions to progress your character for pve or pvp. It boils down to this, I CHOSE to complete all content available to me, I'm rewarded for my time. You CHOSE not to, you are not rewarded. Simple as that. You can still go back and earn the same rewards so you don't get face rolled quite as much in PvP but you CHOOSE not to. See how that works? This isn't t ball where everyone gets a trophy. Get over it.
Yeah I'm sure your life is amazing that's why you waist it away doing someone tedious and monotonous to pass your time and call it fun. So why should I have to play the way you play to get "rewarded". Im not saying take anything away from you dude. Keep your CPs. Just let me play on a campaign that there are no "rewards". Because you know this is a game and meant for enjoyment, as dude you aren't winning any trophies while playing the video game, or are you talking about video game trophies? It's a video game, not real life. Get over it
Read the post above, you don't see that you already do? lol you just said you play almost every night and have admitted that you gain less for it than I do lol. I'm calling check mate here man, good luck to you doing whatever it is you do in this game.
Don't understand what you just check mated me about. I play the way I enjoy playing, and you grind. I'm not in the rat race of CPs. I actuall don't use 28 of the 33 I have now. But if this ends your constant attack on non-CPs, then good you won.
Like I said, good luck man, lol0 -
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✭To the OP
I have read several complaint oriented threads that discuss the length of time it takes to get from VR1 to VR14(Soon 16/Xbox). I also since being in the VR system and doing Caldwells silver I find that leveling is slower yes, but while questing I am not even paying attention the progression. I went up two VR levels in Stonefalls.
I have to say I do not understand the complaint about "Leveling in VR".
The complaint concerning CP and the advantage that someone has when they have 100s of CP I cannot speak to. I can say that people that grind hard at life in general will always be more successful. Asking ZOS to allow you to skip the "Hard work" of grinding is ridiculous IMO.XBOX NA
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GeneralFlogger✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »It's hard to read that through insulting someone personally. I created this post as a means to discuss the leveling system as it stands, not to promote or argue the creation of a separate campaign.
Are we not discussing the leveling system? You think there is nothing wrong with it because you played Star Wars, and I do. So how about we both be right and separate the campaigns between CPs and non-CPs. You game the way you want and I game the way I want
Except you're not because you're playing a game that won't allow exactly what you want and you're on here complaining to the world that it's not fair like a 2 yo. I ran plenty of pvp pre vr14, in fact most of my experience in PvP is lvl 30 to vr6. You know what I did when I learned it wasn't quite cutting it? I leveled up, went back and earned my last two lvls in Cyrodiil. I didn't go crying to anyone that it wasn't fair bc of the cp system. I didn't want to strip other gamers of their hard earned CP's OR create some safe zone campaign where I could feel like no one else was better than me. I leveled up went back and can now hold my own in many (but still not every) situation. So I don't really see what your trying to argue, you have the ability to be just as viable as anyone else but choose not to.Edited by GeneralFlogger on August 7, 2015 6:07PM0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭To the OP
I have read several complaint oriented threads that discuss the length of time it takes to get from VR1 to VR14(Soon 16/Xbox). I also since being in the VR system and doing Caldwells silver I find that leveling is slower yes, but while questing I am not even paying attention the progression. I went up two VR levels in Stonefalls.
I have to say I do not understand the complaint about "Leveling in VR".
The complaint concerning CP and the advantage that someone has when they have 100s of CP I cannot speak to. I can say that people that grind hard at life in general will always be more successful. Asking ZOS to allow you to skip the "Hard work" of grinding is ridiculous IMO.
That's what I was trying to say in my op. The people who play this game and take advantage of the content provided should be rewarded over those who want to sit at a crafting hub all day.0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »I don't disagree, I don't actually pvp (cos I'm crap at it) but if I wasn't I think I'd want the option to pvp in an equal (cp wise) environment as you say, but also a separate one for the hardcore players that really want to battle in an 'open CP' environment;
I also think that any kind of levelling should be possible (stop the damn nerfing of spots ppl use) , I like to quest....so let me quest. Let ppl grind wherever they want (away from questing objectives) , equal xp/cp points for pvp (battle levelled in some campaigns) , fishing xp , crafting xp, (and if you're a vet then CP too). I don't know , even role playing with emotes , whatever, it doesn't matter.
The game was advertised as 'Play as You Want' and that is how it should be , who cares how you earn your xp/cp , as long as You are enjoying it.
(Get off my high horse now)
I get this but you already get xp for doing all of those things, just not the same amount, the game was not advertised as play as you want with no recourse or consiquence. You can still lvl up by doing just pvp just at a slower rate than someone willing to take advantage of using the other aspects of the game to their advantage.0 -
markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »It's hard to read that through insulting someone personally. I created this post as a means to discuss the leveling system as it stands, not to promote or argue the creation of a separate campaign.
Are we not discussing the leveling system? You think there is nothing wrong with it because you played Star Wars, and I do. So how about we both be right and separate the campaigns between CPs and non-CPs. You game the way you want and I game the way I want
Except you're not because you're playing a game that won't allow exactly what you want and you're on here complaining to the world that it's not fair like a 2 yo. I ran plenty of pvp pre vr14, in fact most of my experience in PvP is lvl 30 to vr6. You know what I did when I learned it wasn't quite cutting it? I leveled up, went back and earned my last two lvls in Cyrodiil. I didn't go crying to anyone that it wasn't fair bc of the cp system. I didn't want to strip other gamers of their hard earned CP's OR create some safe zone campaign where I could feel like no one else was better than me. I leveled up went back and can now hold my own in many (but still not every) situation. So I don't really see what your trying to argue, you have the ability to be just as viable as anyone else but choose not to.
Dude your the one that made this thread as a direct response to me. And I'm crying about anything. I'm and simply saying what everyone knows. This game is a rate race to grind the most CPs. And that isn't good for the longevity of the game. So since I'm a problem solver, I found a solution for the lower level guys and people like me that don't want to join the rat race. This is a game and meant to be enjoyed. You think it should strike your ego. I don't. So a non-cp campaign would solve the issue of you getting on here and having to talk about this, and I get to play in a campaign I would enjoy more. Everyone wins. I mean not sure why it matters to you so much that some people want to play in a non-cp campaign. No one is tell you you have to join it or forcing you to be striped of your CPs. Believe it or not a lot of people don't feel the need to do tedious things on a video game for hours. So people play them for enjoyment0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have posted pretty much the same thing over and over.
Some people can't stand the idea that they may get their butt kicked consistently by a small percentage of the population and wish something to be done about it.
Others (myself included) do not mind losing and do not want our future progress hampered by those from the above group.
There are also PvE ers whom will be very distraught by the loss of their points.
Pure PvPers (why they play a TES as PvP only I will never know) are either uber or complaining about ubers
Some say newplayers in a year will be screwed (though thats the smallest population yet)
There are old MMO players whom want to change ESO completely to other games
Its my favorite just the way it is1 -
sagitter✭✭✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
Same thoughts here, I remember when I finished 100 mining in UO, it took me almost 1 year of play, and here ppl complaining about some months of research in crafting skills.Some days ago , i have been threatened to be beat irl, by a guy that I beat in pvp and he was pissed cause his rank was higher than mine, than calmed down and said me was frustrated by his work and when he loose in ESO get frustrated as well and more. What I mean is yes,there are a lot of frustrated ppl .0 -
psicorpb16_ESO✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »I don't disagree, I don't actually pvp (cos I'm crap at it) but if I wasn't I think I'd want the option to pvp in an equal (cp wise) environment as you say, but also a separate one for the hardcore players that really want to battle in an 'open CP' environment;
I also think that any kind of levelling should be possible (stop the damn nerfing of spots ppl use) , I like to quest....so let me quest. Let ppl grind wherever they want (away from questing objectives) , equal xp/cp points for pvp (battle levelled in some campaigns) , fishing xp , crafting xp, (and if you're a vet then CP too). I don't know , even role playing with emotes , whatever, it doesn't matter.
The game was advertised as 'Play as You Want' and that is how it should be , who cares how you earn your xp/cp , as long as You are enjoying it.
(Get off my high horse now)
I get this but you already get xp for doing all of those things, just not the same amount, the game was not advertised as play as you want with no recourse or consiquence. You can still lvl up by doing just pvp just at a slower rate than someone willing to take advantage of using the other aspects of the game to their advantage.
I'm sorry but the game Was advertised 'play as you want' there wasn't a caveat to it, but anyways, I kinda get you want to be only involved in the 'one' leaderboard and you don't want ppl to be able to 'cop out' and play a different game. I get that you think it should be a level playing field.
You have to understand that some ppl want to play a game with their precious spare time that doesn't involve them being railroaded at every corner in pvp (I think the term is 'owned', damn that's offensive) just because they haven't had as many hours as other ppl have.
Ppl want to enjoy their time gaming, not be killed on sight by a 'very good and well deserved, I admit, player' , I'd love to be as good as you, but I'm not. I still want to enjoy my time playing, and dying constantly (while in theory should make me better maybe, but I only have a couple of hours a day) just puts me off.
We need ppl to play this game and like it, whatever their commitment, not put ppl off by killing them instantly, that's just not fun.0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »It's hard to read that through insulting someone personally. I created this post as a means to discuss the leveling system as it stands, not to promote or argue the creation of a separate campaign.
Are we not discussing the leveling system? You think there is nothing wrong with it because you played Star Wars, and I do. So how about we both be right and separate the campaigns between CPs and non-CPs. You game the way you want and I game the way I want
Except you're not because you're playing a game that won't allow exactly what you want and you're on here complaining to the world that it's not fair like a 2 yo. I ran plenty of pvp pre vr14, in fact most of my experience in PvP is lvl 30 to vr6. You know what I did when I learned it wasn't quite cutting it? I leveled up, went back and earned my last two lvls in Cyrodiil. I didn't go crying to anyone that it wasn't fair bc of the cp system. I didn't want to strip other gamers of their hard earned CP's OR create some safe zone campaign where I could feel like no one else was better than me. I leveled up went back and can now hold my own in many (but still not every) situation. So I don't really see what your trying to argue, you have the ability to be just as viable as anyone else but choose not to.
Dude your the one that made this thread as a direct response to me. And I'm crying about anything. I'm and simply saying what everyone knows. This game is a rate race to grind the most CPs. And that isn't good for the longevity of the game. So since I'm a problem solver, I found a solution for the lower level guys and people like me that don't want to join the rat race. This is a game and meant to be enjoyed. You think it should strike your ego. I don't. So a non-cp campaign would solve the issue of you getting on here and having to talk about this, and I get to play in a campaign I would enjoy more. Everyone wins. I mean not sure why it matters to you so much that some people want to play in a non-cp campaign. No one is tell you you have to join it or forcing you to be striped of your CPs. Believe it or not a lot of people don't feel the need to do tedious things on a video game for hours. So people play them for enjoyment
Problem solver or complainer? What is an mmo if not constant grinding to achieve an end goal? I mean what game is not made to be enjoyed? What you can't comprehend is that some people like to grind to reach goals, not everyone needs to slap on training wheels and have their hands held because a small percent of the population has an advantage over other new players. My god what multiplayer game doesn't have a leveling system that separates it's population? I get that you don't want to grind but hey, mmos aren't for everyone I guess. And I can't believe that you can't see the irony in calling me egotistical when it's you searching for anyway you can to feel like you're better than others by removing yourself from the real competition involved with the cp system and pvp as it stands. But hey some people always have an excuse for everything. You would be so much better if not for the cp system right? Give me a break.0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »psicorpb16_ESO wrote: »I don't disagree, I don't actually pvp (cos I'm crap at it) but if I wasn't I think I'd want the option to pvp in an equal (cp wise) environment as you say, but also a separate one for the hardcore players that really want to battle in an 'open CP' environment;
I also think that any kind of levelling should be possible (stop the damn nerfing of spots ppl use) , I like to quest....so let me quest. Let ppl grind wherever they want (away from questing objectives) , equal xp/cp points for pvp (battle levelled in some campaigns) , fishing xp , crafting xp, (and if you're a vet then CP too). I don't know , even role playing with emotes , whatever, it doesn't matter.
The game was advertised as 'Play as You Want' and that is how it should be , who cares how you earn your xp/cp , as long as You are enjoying it.
(Get off my high horse now)
I get this but you already get xp for doing all of those things, just not the same amount, the game was not advertised as play as you want with no recourse or consiquence. You can still lvl up by doing just pvp just at a slower rate than someone willing to take advantage of using the other aspects of the game to their advantage.
I'm sorry but the game Was advertised 'play as you want' there wasn't a caveat to it, but anyways, I kinda get you want to be only involved in the 'one' leaderboard and you don't want ppl to be able to 'cop out' and play a different game. I get that you think it should be a level playing field.
You have to understand that some ppl want to play a game with their precious spare time that doesn't involve them being railroaded at every corner in pvp (I think the term is 'owned', damn that's offensive) just because they haven't had as many hours as other ppl have.
Ppl want to enjoy their time gaming, not be killed on sight by a 'very good and well deserved, I admit, player' , I'd love to be as good as you, but I'm not. I still want to enjoy my time playing, and dying constantly (while in theory should make me better maybe, but I only have a couple of hours a day) just puts me off.
We need ppl to play this game and like it, whatever their commitment, not put ppl off by killing them instantly, that's just not fun.
OK well if you feel cheated go get your money back? Some people will always be better than others, I'm by no means great at this game, but I can tell you that no matter what game you play this will be the case, you either learn to play, lvl as you can or you quit and move on. Not every game is meant for everyone. Why are you entitled to be better than the player who completes more of the game and learns the ins and outs and puts the time in just because your schedule won't allow you to play as much? Will it really be different with any other game that you play?0 -
markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »It's hard to read that through insulting someone personally. I created this post as a means to discuss the leveling system as it stands, not to promote or argue the creation of a separate campaign.
Are we not discussing the leveling system? You think there is nothing wrong with it because you played Star Wars, and I do. So how about we both be right and separate the campaigns between CPs and non-CPs. You game the way you want and I game the way I want
Except you're not because you're playing a game that won't allow exactly what you want and you're on here complaining to the world that it's not fair like a 2 yo. I ran plenty of pvp pre vr14, in fact most of my experience in PvP is lvl 30 to vr6. You know what I did when I learned it wasn't quite cutting it? I leveled up, went back and earned my last two lvls in Cyrodiil. I didn't go crying to anyone that it wasn't fair bc of the cp system. I didn't want to strip other gamers of their hard earned CP's OR create some safe zone campaign where I could feel like no one else was better than me. I leveled up went back and can now hold my own in many (but still not every) situation. So I don't really see what your trying to argue, you have the ability to be just as viable as anyone else but choose not to.
Dude your the one that made this thread as a direct response to me. And I'm crying about anything. I'm and simply saying what everyone knows. This game is a rate race to grind the most CPs. And that isn't good for the longevity of the game. So since I'm a problem solver, I found a solution for the lower level guys and people like me that don't want to join the rat race. This is a game and meant to be enjoyed. You think it should strike your ego. I don't. So a non-cp campaign would solve the issue of you getting on here and having to talk about this, and I get to play in a campaign I would enjoy more. Everyone wins. I mean not sure why it matters to you so much that some people want to play in a non-cp campaign. No one is tell you you have to join it or forcing you to be striped of your CPs. Believe it or not a lot of people don't feel the need to do tedious things on a video game for hours. So people play them for enjoyment
Problem solver or complainer? What is an mmo if not constant grinding to achieve an end goal? I mean what game is not made to be enjoyed? What you can't comprehend is that some people like to grind to reach goals, not everyone needs to slap on training wheels and have their hands held because a small percent of the population has an advantage over other new players. My god what multiplayer game doesn't have a leveling system that separates it's population? I get that you don't want to grind but hey, mmos aren't for everyone I guess. And I can't believe that you can't see the irony in calling me egotistical when it's you searching for anyway you can to feel like you're better than others by removing yourself from the real competition involved with the cp system and pvp as it stands. But hey some people always have an excuse for everything. You would be so much better if not for the cp system right? Give me a break.
Training wheels? Dude PvE is so stupid easy it isn't funny. Ur the one that needs the training wheels because you aren't good enough to able to play without your cp crutches. And cry when people like me, say just give me a server that doesn't allow them. Like doing that would effect you at all. But you still insist on cry over me wanting to play without them. I don't need to like everything you like, you play the way you like, I'll play the way I like. And apparently zos is looking into non-cp campaigns......can't wait. I'm done, about to get off work and go home and enjoy myself while playing eso.......and not grinding0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
Same thoughts here, I remember when I finished 100 mining in UO, it took me almost 1 year of play, and here ppl complaining about some months of research in crafting skills.Some days ago , i have been threatened to be beat irl, by a guy that I beat in pvp and he was pissed cause his rank was higher than mine, than calmed down and said me was frustrated by his work and when he loose in ESO get frustrated as well and more. What I mean is yes,there are a lot of frustrated ppl .
It just gets to the point where I don't understand why someone would keep playing a game if they dislike it so much.0 -
markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »First thread here, been playing Elder Scrolls since morrowind as well I have played many mmorpgs such as UO, SWTOR etc... I just don't understand the outrage around the current VR system or champ points? Most threads I've read are, for the most part, suggesting that lvl 10 characters should be competitive immediately. In what game has this ever been the case? That you can expect to be just as competitive as someone who has gone through and completed the majority of the content when you choose not to. Because, in most all of these threads that is what is being argued is someone's choice not to complete a system implemented by ZOS to lvl up your char and make you more competitve in both pvp and pve. If you are choosing not to run the quests why get on here and whine about it? It's not like anyone is forcing you to play this game and nothing is owed to you just for purchasing the cd or dl. Ultimately it's how you decide to play, but if your gonna sit around at a crafting hub or focus on grinding npcs or pks instead of utilizing the quest system than re adjust your expectations. I leveled lvl 1 to vr14 in about a month and a half. I also work a full time job and take care of a family of 4. I don't see how so many people are having such a hard time with this system unless they just dislike the game in which case, by all means, go find something else, at the very least it will cut down the load times for cyrodiil for those of us that do.
Same thoughts here, I remember when I finished 100 mining in UO, it took me almost 1 year of play, and here ppl complaining about some months of research in crafting skills.Some days ago , i have been threatened to be beat irl, by a guy that I beat in pvp and he was pissed cause his rank was higher than mine, than calmed down and said me was frustrated by his work and when he loose in ESO get frustrated as well and more. What I mean is yes,there are a lot of frustrated ppl .
It just gets to the point where I don't understand why someone would keep playing a game if they dislike it so much.
I don't get how someone cares so much how other people play the game0 -
GeneralFlogger✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »It's hard to read that through insulting someone personally. I created this post as a means to discuss the leveling system as it stands, not to promote or argue the creation of a separate campaign.
Are we not discussing the leveling system? You think there is nothing wrong with it because you played Star Wars, and I do. So how about we both be right and separate the campaigns between CPs and non-CPs. You game the way you want and I game the way I want
Except you're not because you're playing a game that won't allow exactly what you want and you're on here complaining to the world that it's not fair like a 2 yo. I ran plenty of pvp pre vr14, in fact most of my experience in PvP is lvl 30 to vr6. You know what I did when I learned it wasn't quite cutting it? I leveled up, went back and earned my last two lvls in Cyrodiil. I didn't go crying to anyone that it wasn't fair bc of the cp system. I didn't want to strip other gamers of their hard earned CP's OR create some safe zone campaign where I could feel like no one else was better than me. I leveled up went back and can now hold my own in many (but still not every) situation. So I don't really see what your trying to argue, you have the ability to be just as viable as anyone else but choose not to.
Dude your the one that made this thread as a direct response to me. And I'm crying about anything. I'm and simply saying what everyone knows. This game is a rate race to grind the most CPs. And that isn't good for the longevity of the game. So since I'm a problem solver, I found a solution for the lower level guys and people like me that don't want to join the rat race. This is a game and meant to be enjoyed. You think it should strike your ego. I don't. So a non-cp campaign would solve the issue of you getting on here and having to talk about this, and I get to play in a campaign I would enjoy more. Everyone wins. I mean not sure why it matters to you so much that some people want to play in a non-cp campaign. No one is tell you you have to join it or forcing you to be striped of your CPs. Believe it or not a lot of people don't feel the need to do tedious things on a video game for hours. So people play them for enjoyment
Problem solver or complainer? What is an mmo if not constant grinding to achieve an end goal? I mean what game is not made to be enjoyed? What you can't comprehend is that some people like to grind to reach goals, not everyone needs to slap on training wheels and have their hands held because a small percent of the population has an advantage over other new players. My god what multiplayer game doesn't have a leveling system that separates it's population? I get that you don't want to grind but hey, mmos aren't for everyone I guess. And I can't believe that you can't see the irony in calling me egotistical when it's you searching for anyway you can to feel like you're better than others by removing yourself from the real competition involved with the cp system and pvp as it stands. But hey some people always have an excuse for everything. You would be so much better if not for the cp system right? Give me a break.
Training wheels? Dude PvE is so stupid easy it isn't funny. Ur the one that needs the training wheels because you aren't good enough to able to play without your cp crutches. And cry when people like me, say just give me a server that doesn't allow them. Like doing that would effect you at all. But you still insist on cry over me wanting to play without them. I don't need to like everything you like, you play the way you like, I'll play the way I like. And apparently zos is looking into non-cp campaigns......can't wait. I'm done, about to get off work and go home and enjoy myself while playing eso.......and not grinding
No, re read your posts, YOU USE THE CP'S TOO LOL. Look at all of the requirements and necessary changes you're asking for to beat players like me. Get over yourself man. It might just be you aren't quite as good as you think?Edited by GeneralFlogger on August 7, 2015 8:22PM0 -
markt84✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »It's hard to read that through insulting someone personally. I created this post as a means to discuss the leveling system as it stands, not to promote or argue the creation of a separate campaign.
Are we not discussing the leveling system? You think there is nothing wrong with it because you played Star Wars, and I do. So how about we both be right and separate the campaigns between CPs and non-CPs. You game the way you want and I game the way I want
Except you're not because you're playing a game that won't allow exactly what you want and you're on here complaining to the world that it's not fair like a 2 yo. I ran plenty of pvp pre vr14, in fact most of my experience in PvP is lvl 30 to vr6. You know what I did when I learned it wasn't quite cutting it? I leveled up, went back and earned my last two lvls in Cyrodiil. I didn't go crying to anyone that it wasn't fair bc of the cp system. I didn't want to strip other gamers of their hard earned CP's OR create some safe zone campaign where I could feel like no one else was better than me. I leveled up went back and can now hold my own in many (but still not every) situation. So I don't really see what your trying to argue, you have the ability to be just as viable as anyone else but choose not to.
Dude your the one that made this thread as a direct response to me. And I'm crying about anything. I'm and simply saying what everyone knows. This game is a rate race to grind the most CPs. And that isn't good for the longevity of the game. So since I'm a problem solver, I found a solution for the lower level guys and people like me that don't want to join the rat race. This is a game and meant to be enjoyed. You think it should strike your ego. I don't. So a non-cp campaign would solve the issue of you getting on here and having to talk about this, and I get to play in a campaign I would enjoy more. Everyone wins. I mean not sure why it matters to you so much that some people want to play in a non-cp campaign. No one is tell you you have to join it or forcing you to be striped of your CPs. Believe it or not a lot of people don't feel the need to do tedious things on a video game for hours. So people play them for enjoyment
Problem solver or complainer? What is an mmo if not constant grinding to achieve an end goal? I mean what game is not made to be enjoyed? What you can't comprehend is that some people like to grind to reach goals, not everyone needs to slap on training wheels and have their hands held because a small percent of the population has an advantage over other new players. My god what multiplayer game doesn't have a leveling system that separates it's population? I get that you don't want to grind but hey, mmos aren't for everyone I guess. And I can't believe that you can't see the irony in calling me egotistical when it's you searching for anyway you can to feel like you're better than others by removing yourself from the real competition involved with the cp system and pvp as it stands. But hey some people always have an excuse for everything. You would be so much better if not for the cp system right? Give me a break.
Training wheels? Dude PvE is so stupid easy it isn't funny. Ur the one that needs the training wheels because you aren't good enough to able to play without your cp crutches. And cry when people like me, say just give me a server that doesn't allow them. Like doing that would effect you at all. But you still insist on cry over me wanting to play without them. I don't need to like everything you like, you play the way you like, I'll play the way I like. And apparently zos is looking into non-cp campaigns......can't wait. I'm done, about to get off work and go home and enjoy myself while playing eso.......and not grinding
No, re read your posts, YOU USE THE CP'S TOO LOL. Look at all of the requirements and necessary changes you're adking for to beat players like me. Get over yourself man. It might just be you aren't quite as good as you think?
???? It's no requirement for you. You don't have to play in it0 -
psicorpb16_ESO✭✭✭Oh dear .. @GeneralFlogger , sigh...what else can I say , yup you're no doubt better than me , but you have no written right that 'your way' is the only way. Of course I'm not 'entitled' why on earth did you bring that word into it , I have every much 'Right' to play the game , I'm subbed as I hope you are with your opinions.
I'm not gonna get into a flame war , you obviously want to. But just try to put yourself into other ppls shoes occasionally, gnight chap 0 -
traigusb14_ESO2✭✭✭✭✭GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »GeneralFlogger wrote: »It's hard to read that through insulting someone personally. I created this post as a means to discuss the leveling system as it stands, not to promote or argue the creation of a separate campaign.
Are we not discussing the leveling system? You think there is nothing wrong with it because you played Star Wars, and I do. So how about we both be right and separate the campaigns between CPs and non-CPs. You game the way you want and I game the way I want
Except you're not because you're playing a game that won't allow exactly what you want and you're on here complaining to the world that it's not fair like a 2 yo. I ran plenty of pvp pre vr14, in fact most of my experience in PvP is lvl 30 to vr6. You know what I did when I learned it wasn't quite cutting it? I leveled up, went back and earned my last two lvls in Cyrodiil. I didn't go crying to anyone that it wasn't fair bc of the cp system. I didn't want to strip other gamers of their hard earned CP's OR create some safe zone campaign where I could feel like no one else was better than me. I leveled up went back and can now hold my own in many (but still not every) situation. So I don't really see what your trying to argue, you have the ability to be just as viable as anyone else but choose not to.
Dude your the one that made this thread as a direct response to me. And I'm crying about anything. I'm and simply saying what everyone knows. This game is a rate race to grind the most CPs. And that isn't good for the longevity of the game. So since I'm a problem solver, I found a solution for the lower level guys and people like me that don't want to join the rat race. This is a game and meant to be enjoyed. You think it should strike your ego. I don't. So a non-cp campaign would solve the issue of you getting on here and having to talk about this, and I get to play in a campaign I would enjoy more. Everyone wins. I mean not sure why it matters to you so much that some people want to play in a non-cp campaign. No one is tell you you have to join it or forcing you to be striped of your CPs. Believe it or not a lot of people don't feel the need to do tedious things on a video game for hours. So people play them for enjoyment
Problem solver or complainer? What is an mmo if not constant grinding to achieve an end goal? I mean what game is not made to be enjoyed? What you can't comprehend is that some people like to grind to reach goals, not everyone needs to slap on training wheels and have their hands held because a small percent of the population has an advantage over other new players. My god what multiplayer game doesn't have a leveling system that separates it's population? I get that you don't want to grind but hey, mmos aren't for everyone I guess. And I can't believe that you can't see the irony in calling me egotistical when it's you searching for anyway you can to feel like you're better than others by removing yourself from the real competition involved with the cp system and pvp as it stands. But hey some people always have an excuse for everything. You would be so much better if not for the cp system right? Give me a break.
Training wheels? Dude PvE is so stupid easy it isn't funny. Ur the one that needs the training wheels because you aren't good enough to able to play without your cp crutches. And cry when people like me, say just give me a server that doesn't allow them. Like doing that would effect you at all. But you still insist on cry over me wanting to play without them. I don't need to like everything you like, you play the way you like, I'll play the way I like. And apparently zos is looking into non-cp campaigns......can't wait. I'm done, about to get off work and go home and enjoy myself while playing eso.......and not grinding
I'm all for non-CP campaigns, but I think people are confused about what they will get. There are advantages to CP, especially a lot of CP, but ESO PVP isn't a 1vs. 1 game, and almost never is.
I transferred to Xbox with ~200 CP. I played my VR14 in PVP and he owned and still does (but as a sta tank his days are numbered). I played my now VR12 all the way up with no CP added... and he owned too.
Honestly... 80-90% of console PVPers are bad at it. Many because they never really played PVE. Their builds are trashy, they all wear heavy armor because they played Skyrim and have no sustain. Thier skill choices are weird and don't work together, and they are prone to spamming 1 AOE until they go dry.
My VR12 with no CPs placed (and no battle leveling) has been killing 3-4 people at a time since VR6 (also without battle leveling).
Here is the good part. I'm not really good at PVP, nor do I have a really great PVP build. I use my PVE builds and gear. it is no wonder the good PVP people are nearly unkillable with or without CP. if it wasn't for Zergs there people wouldn't get anything done!
I''m going to invest my CP today on my VR12 , because it will help me duo Craiglorn stuff.
I kind of miss the old VR difficulty. It really helped people make better builds. The stuff I see people wandering around with in PVP on Xbox is really sad and confusing lol.
Edited by traigusb14_ESO2 on August 7, 2015 8:42PM0